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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: birdman on May 05, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
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Just so I have a record of it: Ryan Rice
I'm more confident about rice for veep...notice she was not very public, and now was on the news down south observing the tornado damage?
My logic:
1. You need a paired domestic/foreign team
2. You need a combination of youth and experience
This pair gets you people with a plan, not 10 word answers, with two extremely articulate, "cut the bs" personalities, and an extremely good mix of domestic and foreign policy experience.
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For the same reason, I would like to see a Michelle Bachmann/ Condoleeza Rice ticket.....and I wouldn't care who was in which spot....
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There's what I'd like to see, and then there's what I think we'll actually get. They are not remotely consistant.
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I'd rather have "The Walking 'Stache," John Bolton, as veep on that ticket.
Rice Initially was impressive, but shrunk in office.
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There's what I'd like to see, and then there's what I think we'll actually get. They are not remotely consistant.
Yeah that.
I would love to see Bolton on a VP ticket. I'm honestly not sure at this point who I'd want to see take top billing, other than NOT the mainstream RNC picks.
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You guys know we're boned, right? We are going to be stuck (yet again) with a RINO...
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Not so sure we're boned.
Remember last time: EVERYONE thought Clinton had everything sewed up before the primaries. Obama came out of nowhere.
We COULD get something similar...
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Not so sure we're boned.
Remember last time: EVERYONE thought Clinton had everything sewed up before the primaries. Obama came out of nowhere.
We COULD get something similar...
Yeah - knowing The Stupid PartyTM, it would be Dick Lugar or Lindsey Graham. :facepalm:
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Yeah - knowing The Stupid PartyTM, it would be Dick Lugar or Lindsey Graham. :facepalm:
A little part of my soul died when you mentioned him as a contender.
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It's simply too early to predict anything at all.
The GOP does not have what it takes to nominate a candidate that can reverse the policies of the Obama administration, much less return America to her constitutional roots.
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The GOP does not have what it takes to nominate a candidate that can reverse the policies of the Obama administration, much less return America to her constitutional roots.
Let me give you a little advice:
It's simply too early to predict anything at all.
I'm in an optimistic mood today. I'm willing to wait and see if the Republican party is willing to nominate a candidate that can take her country back towards its Constitutional roots. (It will never happen overnight, but the process must begin NOW or it never will.)
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Let's see what the GOP can do in terms of dealing with the debt and the deficits. Can they show they're for real? The whole world is watching.
The fact that so many--and not just people on this forum--know that we're at a juncture where old games won't work and dramatic action is called for to Save The Republic ensures that there will be high drama in 2012. If the GOP wants to walk into a buzzsaw by playing old cards and nominating yet another RINO I'd be surprised if there were no popular upheaval that changes the game in unpredictable ways. Republicans who are now lingering on the sidelines or proclaiming non-candidacy for 2012 may re-consider or be compelled by public outcry to re-consider running. In that group I include Christie, West, Jindal, et al.
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Lindsey Graham is angling for a AG or a SCOTUS appointment. In any case he's finished as a senator.
I don't really care who is nominated. I just want the nominees to have nothing to do with the CFR. Waaay too much group think going on now as both parties pull horses from the same stable.
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For the same reason, I would like to see a Michelle Bachmann/ Condoleeza Rice ticket.....and I wouldn't care who was in which spot....
If Bachmann runs she'd be best served picking Charlie Sheen as a running mate. That way she doesn't look like the crazy one when on stage.
''I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence.''
No. Let's not make her president. Please?
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Maybe what Bachmann is referring to is the false and exploitive fearmongering that seems to be the staple of so many Democrat administrations...?
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Since past history is usually an indicator of future performance, I'm betting the republicans will go back to the page they rely on in their playbook and put up a washed up, washed out retread as they've been doing.
I would like to see Allen West and John Bolton running.
But if they insist on Trump, Newt, Mitt or any of that other retread trash, I'm staying home or voting 3rd party.
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But if they insist on Trump, Newt, Mitt or any of that other retread trash, I'm staying home or voting 3rd party.
Not that I'm rooting for Trump or anything, but he is certainly not a re-tread. He doesn't even seem to have been a Republican until a few months ago.
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Not that I'm rooting for Trump or anything, but he is certainly not a re-tread. He doesn't even seem to have been a Republican until a few months ago.
He's a RINO and can be safely lumped in with Mitt, Guliani, etc.
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He's a RINO and can be safely lumped in with Mitt, Guliani, etc.
A much different species of RINO. He charges more often and more aggressively, but not necessarily in a good way or at the right targets.
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If Bachmann runs she'd be best served picking Charlie Sheen as a running mate. That way she doesn't look like the crazy one when on stage.
??? .....maybe you're getting her confused with the other GOP hottie, Sarah Palin.....Bachmann is the level-headed one..... =|
I really like Herman Cain....he'd be perfect for straightening up the mess that the RINO's and Demo's have gotten this country into....which is why he doesn't have a shot in hell..... :facepalm:
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The only reason this thread hasn't depressed me to the point of suicide is that it is still too early in the game to know what the dynamics will be like down the road ... when it counts.
[tinfoil]
The only nimrod --er, contender I really hope exits stage left prior to selection is Donald Trump. I think he might have enough acumen to straighten things up. Herman Cain would be infinitly better. Romney would be a grit-the-teeth-and-bear-it ..."better" and even Peewee Herman would be better than Obama.
=D Keeping my powder dry here in Dixieland. =D
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I'm not so sure anymore - a Republican Congress seems to have a lot more spine when a Democrat is in the White House =|
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Yeah but the demorat we have has given us Obamacare and turned a big debt into a 14.3 TRILLION dollar mega debt.
There's no solution. We're doomed. :facepalm: [tinfoil]
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There's no solution. We're doomed.
Unfortunately true. ;)
Any leader who would do what needs to be done would never be elected because he/she would cut off too many people's government gravy train.
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We're not doomed, we're just about to have a bracing cold shower. We on the Right are no more doomed than the Democrats are. Who here really thinks that Obama's America has a bright or long future given the current economic, social, and cultural trends? Obama is not Mao, and America's pleasure-bent culture, built over several decades by liberals and leftists, is not about to man a huge Red Army. In other words, the seeds of statism's collapse and culture upheaval and eventual regeneration are already planted--by the Left themselves. That doesn't mean we're not going to have to pass through a convulsive and dangerous period, but it's not necessarily terminal bleakness.
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Maybe what Bachmann is referring to is the false and exploitive fearmongering that seems to be the staple of so many Democrat administrations...?
I highlighted the words that made me chuckle because of the irony. I honestly thought everybody here would have picked up on the error in her quote.
Republican Ford was in office during the 1976 swine flu outbreak.
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Not that I'm rooting for Trump or anything, but he is certainly not a re-tread. He doesn't even seem to have been a Republican until a few months ago.
Agreed. He's really more like Schwartzenegger. If he's elected it'll be because of the mindless morons that watch The Apprentice rather than where he stands on issues and the direction he wants to take the country.
I don't know much at all about Herman Cain, but it appears that his only wart is his close association with the Feral Reserve. As much Ron Paul has tried to expose the evil of this organization, it appears no one really cares so it probablly won't be a wart with the majority of voters.
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Trump can continue to serve a valuable service with his ability to demand media coverage of whatever hobby horse he happens to be riding at the time. He rode Obama birth certificate until Obama "gave in", something that would not have happened had spinelessrepublicans been left to their own wiles. Obama had his revenge when he asked for network time at an unprecedented hour . . . . . which just happened to the be climax and conclusion to Trumps reality TV show.
If Trump wants to continue in the service of America he needs to turn his media guns to the matter of domestic energy production. Force Obama to answer questions as to why we are shutting down domestic energy production.
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"If Trump wants to continue in the service of America he needs to turn his media guns to the matter of domestic energy production. Force Obama to answer questions as to why we are shutting down domestic energy production."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This.
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I highlighted the words that made me chuckle because of the irony. I honestly thought everybody here would have picked up on the error in her quote.
Republican Ford was in office during the 1976 swine flu outbreak.
Gigabuist, I was not speaking specifically to Bachmann's citation, I was talking about a general trend over time. Of course, both parties seem to live by fear, don't they?
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Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right, here we are, stuck in the middle of an Obama nightmare. (Forgive the borrowing)
Trump is all over the place and over the top, but that doesn't mean all of his questions are invalid ones or that he serves no purpose. His purpose is to shatter the porcelain pretender, unmask the great impostor.
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Unfortunately true. ;)
Any leader who would do what needs to be done would never be elected because he/she would cut off too many people's government gravy train.
I'm more and more convinced of this.
We're going to fall.
It won't be ravaging hordes of MZB's and cookie-cutter neighborhoods turned into impromptu village compounds... and it won't involve the die-off of 75% of the population... but we WILL get so poor as a nation that our currency will be worth 10% of what it currently is worth. Buying groceries for a family with a $50k/year income will be challenging. People will set AC thermostats to 90 degrees instead of 75. Heaters will go to 60 or 55, sweaters will be worn indoors and extra blankets added to beds. Fewer homes with cable/satellite. Widescreen TV's sit unused because of electric draw and heat generated by them, and less incentive to watch since there are fewer cable purchasers. Neighbors will split the cost of internet access with each other via wireless tech.
Poor people on welfare will be compelled at the point of starvation and necessity's sword to get off their azzes and find ANY job, and minimum wage will be ignored as well as under the table hiring practices.
It'll be damned hard for anyone making less than $50k/household to scrape by, a dramatic change in lifestyle to anyone making 50-100k, and a major lifestyle adjustment to those making less than a million a year.
And it'll be that way for a few years.
There is no dodging it, because anyone who will run on a platform to fix this will not get elected. It's falling. The only thing left to do is ride it out with food, friends, and common purpose. Any food you buy now and set back against the future will outperform your stock investments if measured against inflation, when you need food in 6 months to a year.
Food, friends and common purpose. Work to take charge of your grassroots governmental structures. GOP/Dem legislative district committees. City Council. School boards. Heck, PTO groups. County board of supervisors. Maybe state legislature.
This will be an extremely painful re-education of the American population, courtesy of the policies of the Worst Generation and their decision to borrow debt against my life and that of my unborn and unconceived children.
However, it is my sincere hope that we emerge from it having learned the cost of Socialism. If not, then it may be time for other actions. [ar15] :'(
ETA: My picks are a pair of RINOs that are going to pay lip service to Ron Paul and the R3volution movement, perhaps promise to make Paul the head of the Fed Reserve and then "discover" dirt on him that makes such an appointment rescind-able. Probably Mitt Romney for prez, not sure who for VP.
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However, it is my sincere hope that we emerge from it having learned the cost of Socialism.
Unfortunately I think the lesson "learned" is going to be to go with total socialism next time.
Larry Correia pretty much sums up what I fear. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/the-rentendollar-a-conspiracy-theory-or-please-tell-me-where-im-wrong/
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Huckabee won't be on the ticket. He made it official today that he is not running.
Story on FoxNews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/14/huckabee-opts-2012-white-house-bid/)
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Huckabee won't be on the ticket. He made it official today that he is not running.
Story on FoxNews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/14/huckabee-opts-2012-white-house-bid/)
:facepalm:
Drat.
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Huckabee won't be on the ticket. He made it official today that he is not running.
Story on FoxNews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/14/huckabee-opts-2012-white-house-bid/)
Thank the gods..
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Considering that I just got an object lesson in "don't discount the guy who files on the last possible day," I'm holding out hope for someone both principled and electable to show up.
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Unfortunately I think the lesson "learned" is going to be to go with total socialism next time.
Larry Correia pretty much sums up what I fear. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/the-rentendollar-a-conspiracy-theory-or-please-tell-me-where-im-wrong/
I read your link. Exactly which currency would we have hyper-inflation against? In the absence of the US dollar there wouldn't be any value to any currency. In fact it's impossible to sell off all your dollars (it's 2/3rd of the world currency's assets)
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Against actual products and goods. Inflation has little to do with the value of the dollar against a foreign currency, and mostly to do with its value against actual goods and labor.
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Against actual products and goods. Inflation has little to do with the value of the dollar against a foreign currency, and mostly to do with its value against actual goods and labor.
I was referring to his specific link. Of course the price of most things are going up. Once the 3rd world started eating meat and driving cars that was kind of inevitable.
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I was referring to his specific link. Of course the price of most things are going up. Once the 3rd world started eating meat and driving cars that was kind of inevitable.
That makes no sense.
The price of food was going down up, related to wages, until very recently. Increased consumption does not always lead to increased prices, as long as production continues to increase.
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The price of food was going down up, related to wages, until very recently.
Tell that to my wife who buy the groceries... ;/
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Thank the gods..
Why? Huckabee is a pretty good person .... for a politician, that is.
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Why? Huckabee is a pretty good person .... for a politician, that is.
Bible thumping populist. Thanks but no thanks, even if he's a "good person"
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If online polls are to be believed, the Republican with the best chance of beating Obama is Ron Paul
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If online polls are to be believed, the Republican with the best chance of beating Obama is Ron Paul
The GOP is not capable of electing Ron Paul.
Ron Paul's campaign staff are not capable of helping him be elected.
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Bible thumping populist. Thanks but no thanks, even if he's a "good person"
Examples, please. I'm not sure what you consider "bible-thumping."
FTR, I'm neutral on Huckabee. Don't know enough about him.
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To win the 2012 GOP nomination, you need an huge organization in place and a buttload of money. The only person who fits that description is Romney. The first primary is after all a little over 8 months away.
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To win the 2012 GOP nomination, you need an huge organization in place and a buttload of money. The only person who fits that description is Romney. The first primary is after all a little over 8 months away.
That certainly helps at this stage, but there's plenty personally wealthy potential candidates, plus those with plenty of contact that can raise money quickly. Romney is a first-class RINO that will excite people about as much as Bob Dole or John McCain. Which is to say, not at all. If he's the GOP nominee we can kiss any chance of repealing O-care goodbye. We're nearly financially sunk as a country anyway, and with that anchor pulling us further over the collapse will just come that much faster and more harshly.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-medical-mystery-of-mitt-romney/2011/05/12/AF5RLd1G_story.html?hpid=z5
great piece on romney
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That certainly helps at this stage, but there's plenty personally wealthy potential candidates, plus those with plenty of contact that can raise money quickly. Romney is a first-class RINO that will excite people about as much as Bob Dole or John McCain. Which is to say, not at all. If he's the GOP nominee we can kiss any chance of repealing O-care goodbye. We're nearly financially sunk as a country anyway, and with that anchor pulling us further over the collapse will just come that much faster and more harshly.
Who?
I do agree with you about Romney btw.
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Mayor Adam West (Family Guy character) and Ann Coulter.
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Examples, please. I'm not sure what you consider "bible-thumping."
FTR, I'm neutral on Huckabee. Don't know enough about him.
Some folks just don't like non-squishy Christians.
I don't like The Huck for lots of reasons, but his being a former Baptist minister is not one of them. I'd be willing to bet a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts that Huck, as governor, mentioned God or his faith at a lesser rate than does BHO or Bill Clinton did as POTUS.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-medical-mystery-of-mitt-romney/2011/05/12/AF5RLd1G_story.html?hpid=z5
great piece on romney
Funny thing is, some Republicans loved him for putting in healthcare in Mass, and never said a bad word about it during the last primaries. But now that Obama did more or less the exact same thing, he's become questionable. I'm thinking it was Jim DeMint (among others) who loved him last time, but has now changed his tone.
As for the 2012 GOP ticket - Romney is now the Chosen One. It's GOP tradition. Newt will fail - Romney just needs to play his ad with Pelosi played a week before the primary, and he's toast. People will forget the subject of the ad, and just remember Newt=Pelosi. Herman Cain is a nobody who may be a dangerous opponent come 2016. Trump is in it for the publicity.
I don't think anybody but Palin can beat Romney in the primaries, and I think Ron Paul would have a better chance of winning a national election right now than she does, with her very strong negatives. The people who hate her guts will come out in droves to vote for the other guy. Just see here (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/05/15/20110515republican-presidential-contenders-negative-reaction.html) for an example of the lack of Palin love.
This is Dole/Clinton II, and I predict similar results.
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This is Dole/Clinton II, and I predict similar results.
Or Bush/Kerry.
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There simply HAS to be an unknown dark horse the GOP is keeping squirreled away somewhere.
No party is this Stupid. Even the Stupid Party.
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If the GOP can't beat a sitting President when unemployment is at 9% serious questions have to be asked.
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No party is this Stupid. Even the Stupid Party.
You know better than that. The Stupid Party will never rest on its laurels, it believes in proving that moniker anew every day of the week. :lol:
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Mayor Adam West (Family Guy character) and Ann Coulter.
Bob, you know that Adam West is an actor, most famous for the old cheesy Batman TV series? And he is playing "himself" on Family Guy?
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Bob, you know that Adam West is an actor, most famous for the old cheesy Batman TV series? And he is playing "himself" on Family Guy?
Yeah, I know. That's why it's such a compelling character. =D
(speaking of cheesy...)
http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/5047675/the_butterfinger_defense_league.swf
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There simply HAS to be an unknown dark horse the GOP is keeping squirreled away somewhere.
No party is this Stupid. Even the Stupid Party.
Never ever underestimate the the depth and power of human stupidity.
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I don't think anybody but Palin can beat Romney in the primaries, and I think Ron Paul would have a better chance of winning a national election right now than she does, with her very strong negatives. The people who hate her guts will come out in droves to vote for the other guy. Just see here (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/05/15/20110515republican-presidential-contenders-negative-reaction.html) for an example of the lack of Palin love.
This is Dole/Clinton II, and I predict similar results.
I am a Palin supporter (especially as there are very few other conservative candidates right now.)
If the election were held tomorrow, I'm sure she would lose. However, her negatives are this high because she has suffered the onslaught of the democrat media just as the eventual candidate will.
This is why I support her. The media's attacks have already been spent on lowering her appeal. I think that after a campaign, she will be able to prove those attacks false to a majority of the voting public. Any other republican candidate will deal with the same attacks and have to overcome the exact same negatives that will result.
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There simply HAS to be an unknown dark horse the GOP is keeping squirreled away somewhere.
No party is this Stupid. Even the Stupid Party.
The GOP has a very efficient filtering system to strain out the boat-rockers. Add to that the evolution of a savagely left-leaning mass media that will lacerate any outlier and we have a problem.
The candidate we want must rise from the grass roots, and this means growing the Tea Party into a massive civil rights movement that actively involves millions of people. Clearly we have not yet reached the critical mass of awareness, fear, pain, and commitment we need.
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Examples, please. I'm not sure what you consider "bible-thumping."
FTR, I'm neutral on Huckabee. Don't know enough about him.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/mike_huckabee_and_christian_du.html
Sums it up better than I could.
Basically, he pulls the Jesus card for supporting all sorts of loathsome social programs that I don't agree with. Don't even get me started on turning bad guys loose from prison.
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Sums it up better than I could.
It sums it up, but isn't backed up by any examples or quotations. But don't worry about it. I should research it myself, anyway, and he isn't running, so...
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It sums it up, but isn't backed up by any examples or quotations. But don't worry about it. I should research it myself, anyway, and he isn't running, so...
" Faith doesn't just influence me, it really defines me. " - Campaign ad
" But my faith is important to me. I try to be more descriptive of it. I just don't want to run from it and act like it's not important. It drives my views on everything from the environment to poverty to disease to hunger. Issues, frankly, I think the Republicans need to take a greater leadership role in. And as a Republican, but as a Christian, I would want to make sure that we're speaking out on some of these issues that I think we've been lacking in as a party and as, as a nation. " Meet the Press: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22409176/
"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk,"
"it is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations -- from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia." - From his book "Kids who Kill"
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Render unto Caesar--unless that Caesar is Barack Obama.
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" Faith doesn't just influence me, it really defines me. " - Campaign ad
" But my faith is important to me. I try to be more descriptive of it. I just don't want to run from it and act like it's not important. It drives my views on everything from the environment to poverty to disease to hunger. Issues, frankly, I think the Republicans need to take a greater leadership role in. And as a Republican, but as a Christian, I would want to make sure that we're speaking out on some of these issues that I think we've been lacking in as a party and as, as a nation. " Meet the Press: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22409176/
"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk,"
"it is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations -- from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia." - From his book "Kids who Kill"
Why do you find these quotations objectionable?
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The GOP has a very efficient filtering system to strain out the boat-rockers. Add to that the evolution of a savagely left-leaning mass media that will lacerate any outlier and we have a problem.
The candidate we want must rise from the grass roots, and this means growing the Tea Party into a massive civil rights movement that actively involves millions of people. Clearly we have not yet reached the critical mass of awareness, fear, pain, and commitment we need.
As we've been seeing recently if your sole goal is to cut government spending you don't need control of everything. You just need one of three. The House of Representatives, The Senate OR the White House.
Then you just have to be serious. But it can be done.
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It can be. It has to be. The GOP needs to do better communicating to the public. Recently, one conservative talk show host complained that NO major GOP honcho will take the time to come on and make the clear case for what must be done. We still have the problem that the GOP establishment lives in a cocoon--and prefers to stay there lest they get bedbugs from the filthy masses.
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Why do you find these quotations objectionable?
Because he doesn't believe equating sadomasochism and homosexuality on one hand, and pedophilia and necrophilia on the other hand is appropriate or correct?
It can be. It has to be. The GOP needs to do better communicating to the public. Recently, one conservative talk show host complained that NO major GOP honcho will take the time to come on and make the clear case for what must be done. We still have the problem that the GOP establishment lives in a cocoon--and prefers to stay there lest they get bedbugs from the filthy masses.
More importantly, they do not themselves believe it needs to be done.
Creatures like Romney in the political class, and Frum/Medved in the pundit class are a very important part of the GOP leadership. Even many of the people who bill themselves as 'conservatives' do not have what it takes to implement the needed changes, and would not implement them even if they won a landslide election granting them control of all branches of government, at once.
This is the crucial problem. There is not sufficient opposition to the status quo. Opposition to the Democrats does not equate opposition to the status quo.
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Because he doesn't believe equating sadomasochism and homosexuality on one hand, and pedophilia and necrophilia on the other hand is appropriate or correct?
I rather doubt that is the issue. He only equated them to the degree that he said they are aberrations, and he believes they are publicly endorsed and supported. If you're trying to say that he equated homosexuals with pedophiles, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Okay.
I *understand* that you agree[/]i] with this world-view.
Do you genuinely not understand why it sounds offensive to some individuals, or are you just trying to make a rhetorical point?
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Which is to say that the Democrat and GOP top dogs aren't in the end that different, that what they have in common--the lifestyle of the elite, the worldview of the elite--is what matters. They may differ a bit in just how regimented the masses should be, but that's about it.
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When you're headed off a cliff, it makes little difference whether you are in the left lane or the right lane =(
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When you're headed off a cliff, it makes little difference whether you are in the left lane or the right lane =(
Yeah .... it won't make any difference after tomorrow. [tinfoil]
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Okay.
I *understand* that you agree[/]i] with this world-view.
Do you genuinely not understand why it sounds offensive to some individuals, or are you just trying to make a rhetorical point?
To answer very generally, yes, I know what is going on here. Don't worry about that.
To answer more specifically, I understand that certain religious ideas, especially when associated with certain political ideas, have been so vilified that people run screaming from perfectly progressive, tolerant and reasonable utterances.
I understand that many people have an unreasonable fear of religious ideas and religious motives for public policy.
I further understand that people read things that aren't supplied by the text.
All that being said, I have stated that I don't know too much about Huckabee. He may be just as bad as some say.
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I've been thinking.....considering the current GOP leadership seems to be made up of the Steele/Romney/McCain types, maybe we need to change our definition of RINO to describe the Palin/Cain/Paul types....and make being a RINO a good thing.... :cool:
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Herman Cain has made it official. He's running for POTUS (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/21/businessman-herman-cain-set-join-2012-gop-race/) in 2012. The FoxNews story is actually behind the curve, as FoxNews stories often are. Cain has announced.
Pawlenty is supposedly going to announce he is running (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55376.html) for POTUS on Monday.
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Herman Cain has made it official. He's running for POTUS (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/21/businessman-herman-cain-set-join-2012-gop-race/) in 2012. The FoxNews story is actually behind the curve, as FoxNews stories often are. Cain has announced.
Pawlenty is supposedly going to announce he is running (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55376.html) for POTUS on Monday.
Yawn, on both counts. Neither is interesting, and more important neither will get the nomination. Romney recently raised $10 million in one day.
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Romney recently raised $10 million in one day.
Be interesting to know from whom...... =|
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Cain has announced.
Alright! Any bets on to when we start hearing "UNCLE TOM RACE TRAITOR!!111!!!!!" on nationwide TV?
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Alright! Any bets on to when we start hearing "UNCLE TOM RACE TRAITOR!!111!!!!!" on nationwide TV?
He'll have to be a viable threat first. Otherwise, it'd be just like they call ALL conservative blacks that.
Oh, wait...
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I've always liked Sara Palin. She's not afraid to mix it up and generally buries those who rip her. Trouble is she has a screechy voice. Unfortunately, too many Americans vote for fluff not issues. I think Sara Palin is more valuable to our country doing what she does...bring the conservative message to the masses from outside government....maybe run for Senator next time around and dispose of that corrupt female RINO from Alaska.
I'd like to see Bachman for potus. She's well spoken, she's conservative, she has a great backstory if what I have read is accurate. She has some experience, she's unabashed conservative, did I say she is conservative?
She has presence, she's not bad looking and does not have an unpleasant voice. I think America needs a strong woman in the White House, who is not a Socialist or Marxist.
I'm unsure about the VP part of the ticket. Maybe J.C. Watts? He'd be my pick for VP upon reflection.
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I've always liked Sara Palin. She's not afraid to mix it up and generally buries those who rip her. Trouble is she has a screechy voice. Unfortunately, too many Americans vote for fluff not issues. I think Sara Palin is more valuable to our country doing what she does...bring the conservative message to the masses from outside government....maybe run for Senator next time around and dispose of that corrupt female RINO from Alaska.
I'd like to see Bachman for potus. She's well spoken, she's conservative, she has a great backstory if what I have read is accurate. She has some experience, she's unabashed conservative, did I say she is conservative?
She has presence, she's not bad looking and does not have an unpleasant voice. I think America needs a strong woman in the White House, who is not a Socialist or Marxist.
I'm unsure about the VP part of the ticket. Maybe J.C. Watts? He'd be my pick for VP upon reflection.
Bachman looks like she's gonna run. The really good thing about her as opposed to Palin imo is that she doesn't get all whiney when she's attacked. She can really man up. She's a freaking steamroller in that regard. Palin on the other hand takes everything personally.
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The last two posts, about Palin.
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Mitch Daniels is out.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/05/mitch-daniels-not-running-president
Currently I don't see a single candidate that looks capable of taking down Obama or is worthy of my vote.
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Currently I don't see a single candidate that looks capable of taking down Obama or is worthy of my vote.
I know. I've been waiting for Mercer to announce. =(
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Obama's second term is going to be a lot of fun.
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Obama's second term is going to be a lot of fun.
Okay, now I'm officially depressed ..... :'( :'(
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Okay, now I'm officially depressed ..... :'( :'(
What took you so long ???
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Listened to Herman Cain on Fox News Sunday. He seemed to contradict himself a couple of times on domestic issues (debt ceiling, fair tax) and was clueless when asked foreign policy questions on Afghanistan and Israel/Palestine. A disappointing contrast to previous occasions when I've heard him speak.
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My point was that Huckabee feels compelled by his religion to push "social justice" on us, and uses his personal, twisted world view as an excuse to mess with the rights of Gays/Lesbians/whoever he finds icky.
Religion is a fine place to find good morals, but the Huckster doesn't seem to grasp that not everyone agrees with him. People like him have done as much to drive me towards the Libertarians as the nanny state leftists have. Neither group seems to grasp that it isn't their place to meddle in other folk's lives.
I can't believe my point was that cryptic, or did you just want it spelled out ?
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BigJake,
I don't think I mentioned that I very much agree with the American Thinker's point about Jesus not calling for "the coercive power of the state" to feed the homeless, and etc. I hope Huckabee isn't about that, but I guess we don't have to worry about it anymore. If you look at the reasons he gave for not running this time, maybe it's because he wants to work for the "social justice" stuff in the private sector, instead of through govt. Or maybe not.
My point was that Huckabee feels compelled by his religion to push "social justice" on us, and uses his personal, twisted world view as an excuse to mess with the rights of Gays/Lesbians/whoever he finds icky.
Religion is a fine place to find good morals, but the Huckster doesn't seem to grasp that not everyone agrees with him. People like him have done as much to drive me towards the Libertarians as the nanny state leftists have. Neither group seems to grasp that it isn't their place to meddle in other folk's lives.
I can't believe my point was that cryptic, or did you just want it spelled out ?
I don't want your point spelled out, so much as backed up by examples. One of your examples, the link you provided to the Tim Russert interview, is especially interesting. If you would read just that part of the discussion (the last third of the interview), Huckabee addresses your concerns pretty well. He also does a better job than most politicians, at explaining why his anti-abortion views are motivated by scientific and ethical principles more than religious conviction. I think the same could be said of the homosexual rights issue.
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I think Sara Palin is more valuable to our country doing what she does...bring the conservative message to the masses from outside government....maybe run for Senator next time around and dispose of that corrupt female RINO from Alaska.
I agree, but if Palin was to run for US Senate, we'd rather see her unseat worthless Wonder-Boy Begich. He only has a couple years left on his term. Unfortunately the corrupt female RINO proved Alaskans could be bought rather cheaply. As long as she keeps the money train running on time they'll no doubt keep voting for her.
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If Palin runs for a non-presidential post, it will likely be in Arizona, not AK. Already bought a house there, probably for residency requirements.
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Listened to Herman Cain on Fox News Sunday. He seemed to contradict himself a couple of times on domestic issues (debt ceiling, fair tax) and was clueless when asked foreign policy questions on Afghanistan and Israel/Palestine. A disappointing contrast to previous occasions when I've heard him speak.
I wouldn't say he's "clueless" I would say he is defering the question until he has access to intel which would give him information to draw up a more thorough foreign policy.
This may be regarded as "uninformed" but atleast he is being honest about this, which is a lot more than I can say for many of the turkeys infesting D.C.
Not that I am happier with Cain for this .... he could have atleast given a general overview of his beliefs concerning our involvement over there.
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Tommy:
When Wallace asked his opinion on the Palestinian right of return issue, it seemed obvious (to me) that Cain didn't understand what he was being asked. After 3 increasingly detailed promptings by Wallace, Cain finally said it "needed to be negotiated". In light of recent news, if he doesn't grasp the basic concept, I'm concerned.
To say he needs more info to decide the U.S. Future in Afghanistan, I'm alright with, though it means a media hatchet job similar to what Palin took in '08.
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Hey, if he can run a pizza joint then he has way more experience than Obama did :P
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Hey, at least Cain had an actual job in the private sector.
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Tommy:
When Wallace asked his opinion on the Palestinian right of return issue, it seemed obvious (to me) that Cain didn't understand what he was being asked. After 3 increasingly detailed promptings by Wallace, Cain finally said it "needed to be negotiated". In light of recent news, if he doesn't grasp the basic concept, I'm concerned.
To say he needs more info to decide the U.S. Future in Afghanistan, I'm alright with, though it means a media hatchet job similar to what Palin took in '08.
Well, that part wasn't what I wasn't thinking about in the earlier posts, but you're right. The "right of return" issue so far as the Palestinians are concerned is something I believe Israelis are seriously concerned with, as some feel it would damage Israel maybe fatally (according to some experts.)
This is a serious point of concern and Cain needs to get himself schooled on the issue quickly.
He really ought to have already done this; it was a cinch it was going to come up on a major TV interview. Some local yokel anchor might possibly have overlooked it, but not Chris Wallace on Fox.
Major blunder on Herman Cain's part. Maybe not fatal, but major.
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Well, that part wasn't what I wasn't thinking about in the earlier posts, but you're right. The "right of return" issue so far as the Palestinians are concerned is something I believe Israelis are seriously concerned with, as some feel it would damage Israel maybe fatally (according to some experts.)
This is a serious point of concern and Cain needs to get himself schooled on the issue quickly.
He really ought to have already done this; it was a cinch it was going to come up on a major TV interview. Some local yokel anchor might possibly have overlooked it, but not Chris Wallace on Fox.
Major blunder on Herman Cain's part. Maybe not fatal, but major.
Only "major" because of the all-out-of-proportion coverage of Israel & its relations with ME countries here in the USA, due to the efforts of both sides on that issue. When looked at objectively, the problems of a tiny non-oil-bearing country in the ME really ought not get a superpower all in a tizzy...and claiming that such a tiny country is the "key to peace in the ME" is laughable.
That said, after reading Cain's website and stance on the issues, I am very "meh" on him. Quite a few places where he & I diverge, politically.
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Israel matters because the attitude of the Muslim world toward Israel reveals The Problem with Islam: Islam cannot tolerate Non-Islam. That applies as much to the Western world, to America, as it does to Israel. We continue to talk around the real issue.
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Israel matters because the attitude of the Muslim world toward Israel reveals The Problem with Islam: Islam cannot tolerate non-Islam. That applies as much to the Western world, to America, as it does to Israel. We continue to talk around the real issue.
Israel continues to be at peace with Jordan and Egypt, and continues to cooperate with Jordanian and Egyptian authorities to combat Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
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That does not change my basic point. Muslims are smart enough to temporize when they have to; no one disputes that. The problems arise when they feel they don't have to.
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That does not change my basic point. Muslims are smart enough to temporize when they have to; no one disputes that. The problems arise when they feel they don't have to.
So, what kind of events would need to transpire to falsify your theory?
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Acceptance of the validity of the Israeli state. And, who knows, maybe the recognition that it might become a model of what's possible, not something to be feared or destroyed?
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Acceptance of the validity of the Israeli state. And, who knows, maybe the recognition that it might become a model of what's possible, not something to be feared or destroyed?
Egypt and Jordan have accepted the validity of the Israeli state. They have embassies in Israel, and Israel has embassies here. The armed forces of the three countries cross-train and cooperate. Egyptian soldiers fight Hamas using every lethal weapon in their arsenal, including chemical weaponry pumped into the weapons-smuggling tunnels - something Israel has so far not done.
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The problem with Islam is not Islam per se. It's all of the Wahabbists and fringe Sunni's and Shia.
In fact, if Israel was to move to New Jersey, the Wahabbi's would begin a campaign of terror to stamp out every other Muslim other than themselves.
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The problem with Islam is not Islam per se. It's all of the Wahabbists and fringe Sunni's and Shia.
In fact, if Israel was to move to New Jersey, the Wahabbi's would begin a continue their campaign of terror to stamp out every other Muslim other than themselves.
FTFY.
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The problem with Islam is not Islam per se. It's all of the Wahabbists and fringe Sunni's and Shia.
In fact, if Israel was to move to New Jersey, the Wahabbi's would begin a campaign of terror to stamp out every other Muslim other than themselves.
The internecine mayhem among Muslims does not validate your position that Islam is somehow benign at the core.
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Benign at it's core. Your words not mine. My words are per se. There is a difference especially as it pertains to the word "problem". I agree that Muslims are behind most of the violence around the world. But small groups of any persuasion can have a major impact if they are on a mission. The evil mission is connected to Wahabbi's generally and Shia and Sunni to a degree.
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The internecine mayhem among Muslims does not validate your position that Islam is somehow benign at the core.
Need I point out that 'internecine mayhem' occured, historically, among men of all religions?
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Benign at it's core. Your words not mine. My words are per se. There is a difference especially as it pertains to the word "problem". I agree that Muslims are behind most of the violence around the world. But small groups of any persuasion can have a major impact if they are on a mission. The evil mission is connected to Wahabbi's generally and Shia and Sunni to a degree.
Small groups? You think the history of Islamic aggression is about small groups striking out on their own?
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Need I point out that 'internecine mayhem' occured, historically, among men of all religions?
Yes, but reform has mitigated the worst impulses of most--with one striking exception.
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Yes, but reform has mitigated the worst impulses of most--with one striking exception.
When do you think this 'reform' occured?
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The trouble with most of the violence in the world it is as a result of grudges being held sometimes for thousands of years. If Men could drag themselves into the present and not ascribe anything to the past except as a lesson for the present, we'd be much better off.
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When do you think this 'reform' occured?
I don't see any Christian Crusades, do you? Do you organized violence perpetrated under the Christian flag? Or Jewish? In the name of these faiths?
Or are you suggesting that there's been no reform movement in Christianity and Judaism? To find equivalency among these major faiths in matters of violence strikes me as, frankly, absurd.
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I don't see any Christian Crusades, do you? Do you organized violence perpetrated under the Christian flag? Or Jewish? In the name of these faiths?
What I am saying is that people-naming-themselves-Christians have continuously been declaring wars, engaging in atrocities, etc., even in recent times. Sometimes religion has been the justification for these acts - ever hear the phrase "Commerce, Civilization, and the Cross"? It doesn't come from the Crusade era. - but at other times not. Just because people self-identify as Christians doesn't make them immune to being evil, or misguided.
A lot of the conflicts which are claimed by the media, and even by the participants themselves, to be "Islam motivated", are motivated by internal ethnic, political, and tribal struggles. Take, for instance, the Iran-Iraq war. True, the Iranians waved the flag of Jihad, but it really was all about "foreigners are invading our country."
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You know, when people tell me they are fighting for Allah, for Islam, I assume they know what they are fighting for and are smart enough to convey their own motivations if they are bothering to name them?
I don't idealize what motivates the West's worst behavior. I know this: it's not Christianity. If Christianity plays any significant role in the behavior of the Western world it's in encouraging a form of naive passivity in the face of aggression that conduces to cultural suicide. But that, to me, isn't really Christianity, it's more like cultural exhaustion...or perhaps narcissistic satiety.
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Small groups? You think the history of Islamic aggression is about small groups striking out on their own?
Yep, small & unrepresentative bands of angry oppressed youths up and conquered the Levant, N Africa, and out to the Indus River. They were wholly unrepresentative of the peace-loving bedouin artists and philosophers who stayed on in Mecca.
Yes, but reform has mitigated the worst impulses of most--with one striking exception.
When do you think this 'reform' occured?
For Judaism, after the destruction of the temple. Hard to get all uppity when your land is taken, your religious temples destroyed, and your people are dispersed all over the Earth(1).
For Christianity, I suspect sometime after the cryptically named "Reformation."
You know, when people tell me they are fighting for Allah, for Islam, I assume they know what they are fighting for and are smart enough to convey their own motivations if they are bothering to name them?
Heh.
"When someone tells you they are going to murder you, believe them."
(1) Might that work for Islam, if they are not willing to play nice with others?
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For Christianity, I suspect sometime after the cryptically named "Reformation."
For Christianity, the question must be reversed. I.e, in what places/times has Christianity been subverted by pseudo-Christian appeals to brute force?
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You know, when people tell me they are fighting for Allah, for Islam, I assume they know what they are fighting for and are smart enough to convey their own motivations if they are bothering to name them?
I don't idealize what motivates the West's worst behavior. I know this: it's not Christianity. If Christianity plays any significant role in the behavior of the Western world it's in encouraging a form of naive passivity in the face of aggression that conduces to cultural suicide. But that, to me, isn't really Christianity, it's more like cultural exhaustion...or perhaps narcissistic satiety.
So how much do you know of the motives of the tribal wars between various Muslim groups in Africa? Or the Iran-Iraq war?
The flag of Christ has been raised during the Teutons' invasions of Russia. The Muslims conquered Northern Africa. So bloody what? People rode out and conquered each other all the time up until very recent history. THat's what everybody did. True, the Arabs were slightly less developed than the Europeans - the British were at least visibly improving the condition of peoples they conquered, abolishing slavery and human sacrifice - but there's no reason to believe Islam as a whole is our enemy.
I don't idealize what motivates the West's worst behavior. I know this: it's not Christianity. If Christianity plays any significant role in the behavior of the Western world it's in encouraging a form of naive passivity in the face of aggression that conduces to cultural suicide.
We are not being passive in the face of Radical Islam. We go out, kill the leaders of the Wahabbis, crush their camps with artillery fire, and destroy their support with PSYOPS.
The Wahabbis are cowardly, incompetent, and weak.
Let us observe:
Nowhere is the gap between sinister stereotype and ridiculous reality more apparent than in Afghanistan, where it’s fair to say that the Taliban employ the world’s worst suicide bombers: one in two manages to kill only himself. And this success rate hasn’t improved at all in the five years they’ve been using suicide bombers, despite the experience of hundreds of attacks—or attempted attacks. In Afghanistan, as in many cultures, a manly embrace is a time-honored tradition for warriors before they go off to face death. Thus, many suicide bombers never even make it out of their training camp or safe house, as the pressure from these group hugs triggers the explosives in suicide vests. According to several sources at the United Nations, as many as six would-be suicide bombers died last July after one such embrace in Paktika.
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The fact that Muslims fight each other does not change the fact that Islam cannot co-exist, except uncomfortably, with Non-Islam. All you're saying is that Muslims cannot get along--with anyone. Is part of this the fact that they're human beings? Yeah, definitely, but culture and ideology matter, culture and ideology shape and dispose. When you begin with an all-powerful Deity whose actions are arbitrary, unquestionable, and all-controlling, your culture tends to take a certain path...
Which "Teuton invasion" are you referring to? We keep coming back to the fact that no one is fighting wars in the name of Jesus Christ any more. "Deus Vult" is history. Would that we could say that about the battle-cry of "Allah u akbar!"
It's not about whether the Muslims were "slightly less developed," it's about what their values were and are. There have been, and are, numerous "developed" cultures that none of us would have wanted to live in.
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Hey, at least Cain had an actual job in the private sector.
Do explain how being a law professor is somehow not a 'real job'.
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The fact that Muslims fight each other does not change the fact that Islam cannot co-exist, except uncomfortably, with Non-Islam. All you're saying is that Muslims cannot get along--with anyone. Is part of this the fact that they're human beings? Yeah, definitely, but culture and ideology matter, culture and ideology shape and dispose. When you begin with an all-powerful Deity whose actions are arbitrary, unquestionable, and all-controlling, your culture tends to take a certain path...
Muslim wage wars. So does everybody else. Waging wars on an interminnent basis is the general state of mankind, for generations of generations. You are implying that Islam is somehow inherently 'worse' than every other form of religion, posing a civilizational threat.
Which "Teuton invasion" are you referring to? We keep coming back to the fact that no one is fighting wars in the name of Jesus Christ any more. "Deus Vult" is history. Would that we could say that about the battle-cry of "Allah u akbar!"
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Micro, did you think those pictures would prove something? ???
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Micro, did you think those pictures would prove something? ???
That people still invoke Christianity in the modern day to wage wars. This does not mean that Christianity is the motive behind those wars, nor does it mean Christianity is bad. People like believing that God is on their side.
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The distinction argued here, I think, is that Muslims engage in violence with Islam as its basis, not merely invoking divine protection while fighting about something else.
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The distinction argued here, I think, is that Muslims engage in violence with Islam as its basis, not merely invoking divine protection while fighting about something else.
The distinction argued here is that longeyes argues that we are a weakened civilization in a state of moral decline struggling against an assault by a giant force of Islam. I argue that we are strong in every sense - financially, morally, militarily - waging war against terrorist organizations and a few rogue states that back them for religious and political reasons. Our enemies are evil, yet incompetent and morally weak.
A civilization morally weak and unsure of its superiority would never have produced the United States Marines, the Russian VDV, or the British SAS. Even Israel's Tzanhanim, Givati, Golani are still the incredible superiors of our enemies in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. This isn't a coincidence.
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I appreciate your optimism. I confess I don't particularly share it. I might agree that radical Islam isn't the ultimate threat we face, but the moral and economic decline are evident. The fact that we (the west generally) are still militarily and technologically preeminent doesn't mean we will remain so under progressive moral and economic deterioration.
The current economic and long-term debt situation/debate in the U.s. is illustrative. The house is actively engaged in a fire. The occupants are either: oblivious, in willful denial of the fire, or arguing about using a garden hose or fire extinguisher to fight it. Meanwhile, the fire department is engaged in sensitivity training and unavailable.
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The distinction argued here is that longeyes argues that we are a weakened civilization in a state of moral decline struggling against an assault by a giant force of Islam. I argue that we are strong in every sense - financially, morally, militarily - waging war against terrorist organizations and a few rogue states that back them for religious and political reasons. Our enemies are evil, yet incompetent and morally weak.
A civilization morally weak and unsure of its superiority would never have produced the United States Marines, the Russian VDV, or the British SAS. Even Israel's Tzanhanim, Givati, Golani are still the incredible superiors of our enemies in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. This isn't a coincidence.
Well, not exactly. It's not that I think we in the West are condemned to weakness or that Islam is inherently stronger. Far from it. I do believe the West is serious assault (as much from within as from without) and I do believe that we have weak leadership both in America and in Europe. I also believe that we can turn that around whenever the right people take power. Unfortunately, that is going to take a momentous upheaval in the West to accomplish; it is going to take the right people with the right ideas.
But maybe you folks in Israel will end up taking the lead on that?
That the West has many assets at its disposal--military, technological, economic, political, and moral--is indisputable, but the West is under an evil spell, and until it awakens the goblins are going to run rampant.
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Surely you are not implying that Nazism was a Christian movement?
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Surely you are not implying that Nazism was a Christian movement?
"Gott mit uns" ("God is with us") was adopted by the German Army in 1871, IIRC and the phrase was retained by Germany during the Third Reich, although Hitler only tolerated the church because it was so entrenched in society it would have been too hard to eliminate; instead he merely forced it to adopt certain Nazi regalia. Hitler's attitude toard Christianity might best be expressed through one of his quotes; "you can't be a good German and a good Christian at the same time."
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That people still invoke Christianity in the modern day to wage wars. This does not mean that Christianity is the motive behind those wars, nor does it mean Christianity is bad. People like believing that God is on their side.
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What do those prove? Like your first two pictures, they prove very little. In terms of religion, there is no comparison between Al-Qaeda, and the Nazis or the Federal Reserve. It's like saying that the president is a preacher, just because he ends a speech with "God bless America."
The third picture? I don't know. What is going on there?
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But maybe you folks in Israel will end up taking the lead on that?
Sadly I feel Israel is not the country people in America think it is.
That the West has many assets at its disposal--military, technological, economic, political, and moral--is indisputable, but the West is under an evil spell, and until it awakens the goblins are going to run rampant.
What form of 'rampancy' do you predict?
Surely you are not implying that Nazism was a Christian movement?
Surely not. But many people among the German army believed themselves to be Christians (I don't use the words 'were Christians' because I do not wish to be misunderstood as attacking Christianity), prayed to the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ, etc.
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What do those prove? Like your first two pictures, they prove very little. In terms of religion, there is no comparison between Al-Qaeda, and the Nazis or the Federal Reserve. It's like saying that the president is a preacher, just because he ends a speech with "God bless America."
The very point I was seeking to make is precisely that.
I am not equating this use of religious symbolism with the use of Islam by Al-Quaeda, which is a fanatical terrorist group whose ideology is linked to killing people in the name of Islam.
I am equating this use of religious symbolism to the use of Islamic symbolism by the generic Muslim countries, where Islam is often invoked in military contexts. My entire point is that these countries are NOT like Al-Quaeda.
The third picture? I don't know. What is going on there?
A Russian Orthodox priest blessing officer-cadets.
Similar photos can be had of priests blessing bombers, SSBNs, etc.
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Back on topic.
The leading candidates are now Mitt Romney at 17% and Sarah Palin at 15%, followed (by what I must assume is a statistical blip) by Ron Paul with 10%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147806/Romney-Palin-Lead-Reduced-GOP-Field-2012.aspx
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Back on topic.
The leading candidates are now Mitt Romney at 17% and Sarah Palin at 15%, followed (by what I must assume is a statistical blip) by Ron Paul with 10%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147806/Romney-Palin-Lead-Reduced-GOP-Field-2012.aspx
:facepalm:
Oh ... no........no.....no.....no.......
Anyone know how much a small but nice house in Costa Rica goes for these days? :'( :mad:
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If we decentralize the way we need to, the Presidency will eventually become what it should have been all along.
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I hear in the early 19th century, it was possible to walk up to the White House and knock on the door.
If you did it early enough in the morning, the POTUS himself might answer the door in a dressing robe.
Our elected representatives should never be un-approachable.
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Do explain how being a law professor is somehow not a 'real job'.
In the USA, the majority of profs are gov't employees.
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In the USA, the majority of profs are gov't employees.
Clearly being a soldier, a police officer, an astronaut is also not a real job.
Of course, President Obama taught at a private university.
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Clearly being a soldier, a police officer, an astronaut is also not a real job.
Of course, President Obama taught at a private university.
Oh, then clearly being a professor is not a real job. [tinfoil]
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:facepalm:
Oh ... no........no.....no.....no.......
Anyone know how much a small but nice house in Costa Rica goes for these days? :'( :mad:
I say again:
You guys know we're boned, right? We are going to be stuck (yet again) with a RINO...
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The RINOs poll better against Obama than the true right conservatives. They get slaughtered.
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Trying to win over people who don't even belong in the same country is the conservatives' real problem.
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Trying to win over people who don't even belong in the same country is the conservatives' real problem.
I'm not exactly sure what this means, but in the end you need enough voters to reach 270 electoral votes, or you lose.
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The RINOs poll better against Obama than the true right conservatives. They get slaughtered.
Gerald Ford polled much better against Jimmy Carter in 1979 and early 1980 than Reagan did. All the way up till the election. (Reagan was down by 25% against Carter in March of 1980.)
Of course, Reagan got slaughtered, right?
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I'm not exactly sure what this means, but in the end you need enough voters to reach 270 electoral votes, or you lose.
What it means is that this nation is terminally riven. In my view. We need to focus on the people who still get it or could get it. That's political realism; it's also survival realism.
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So what's the scuttlebutt on Rick Perry? I like that he CCWs (I believe we had a thread on the coyote incident) and he seems to be good for the TX economy, but otherwise I don't know much about him.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/27/perrys-path-gop-nomination-clearest/
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Is there even ONE candidate who can be relied upon not to cave on illegal immigration? One? I'm having serious doubts. And that's why I don't think this issue is really going to be solved by political means. When politicians permit no honest and frank debate things of serious moment devolve. Instead of dealing with the border we have continuing chatter about the DREAM Act (and chatter is that largely misrepresentation of what it would mean with its huge family-reunification multiplier effect). I'm bringing this up because several of the great conservative hopes--including Christie, maybe even Perry and Palin--refuse to take hard positions on this.
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So what's the scuttlebutt on Rick Perry? I like that he CCWs (I believe we had a thread on the coyote incident) and he seems to be good for the TX economy, but otherwise I don't know much about him.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/27/perrys-path-gop-nomination-clearest/
Governor Goodhair has his screw-ups, flip-flops, and the like:
* TTC
* HPV vaccine
* Illegal immigration squish
On all those issues, he has been "born again hard" like ol' Private Pyle, and is supposedly on the side of the angels.
But, the simple fact is that he has been governor for 10+ years while keeping a lid (mostly) on regulation & taxes to the point where Texas is in better shape than 48 or so of the either states. Texas has produced more jobs than the rest of the nation combined the last few years. Perry is on the brink of helping to push through more real, no-bull, "less-spending than before" budget cuts to the Texas state gov't budget than Congress has to the Federal budget. These include cuts to education and welfare programs.
I don't like the man personally, but I'll give him his due. He knows enough to get the eff outta th eway of folks who make good things happen and is a charismatic guy. A Perry/Jindal ticket might be just what the doctor ordered.
Oh, Perry is great on RKBA...and hard on coyotes.
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longeyes, non-Democrat candidates cannot address the illegal immigration issue without being cast as racist. That's why they tend to side-step or ignore the issue.
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So what's the scuttlebutt on Rick Perry? I like that he CCWs (I believe we had a thread on the coyote incident) and he seems to be good for the TX economy, but otherwise I don't know much about him.
We may do like we did with Bush; send Perry off to DC so we can get the TSA's new pet Dewhurst out of the LtGov power seat and into the figurehead spot. That's how we got rid of LtGov Perry, after all, so he knows the tactic well.
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There's going to be two candidates who will get attention at the beginning of the primaries: The one who wins Iowa and the one who wins N.H. Romney's almost a lock for the 2nd one, and right now Patawley is for the 1st. This is unless Bachman or Palin jump in.
Press and Money will flow to those 2 candidates and away from everyone else.
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longeyes, non-Democrat candidates cannot address the illegal immigration issue without being cast as racist. That's why they tend to side-step or ignore the issue.
Understand. One thought I've had recently on this topic is this: the ONLY justification for immigration, both legal and illegal, is economic growth. If the GOP is going to entertain any thoughts of "compromise" on immigration it ought to be coupled with serious demands for huge concessions on growth incentives, including, of course, lower taxes on income, investments, and estates. Unless that occurs, any laxity on immigration period makes zero sense.
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Bachman is in now. The candidates on the stage tonight in NH are what we've got probably (with the exception of Huntsman)
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Bachman is in now. The candidates on the stage tonight in NH are what we've got probably (with the exception of Huntsman)
Neither Perry nor Palin were on the stage. At least one of them will be in the running.
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Neither Perry nor Palin were on the stage. At least one of them will be in the running.
...and, if you kept up with the last governor's election, you'll never see Perry on a debate stage.... ;/
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Herman Cain just lost my vote. They asked him thin crust or deep dish. He chose wrong. I mean, deep dish? What next, Canadian bacon? :facepalm:
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...and, if you kept up with the last governor's election, you'll never see Perry on a debate stage.... ;/
Well, as I'm not a Texan, it's unlikely I'd keep up with the Texas governor's race. ;)
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Herman Cain just lost my vote. They asked him thin crust or deep dish. He chose wrong. I mean, deep dish? What next, Canadian bacon? :facepalm:
Well, I hear there are even some people who put pineapple on their pizza pie. As long as he doesn't cross that line I think I can forgive him this one fallacy.
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Ham, pineapple, and onion is not half bad.....
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Ham, pineapple, and onion is not half bad.....
*hisssssssssssss*
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Well, I hear there are even some people who put pineapple on their pizza pie. As long as he doesn't cross that line I think I can forgive him this one fallacy.
There are also people who call their pizza a 'pizza pie'. These same people also think that pizza should have thin crust.
I'm sorry, it's not a pie and it needs to be thick and covered with massive amounts of toppings.
I saw a place in DC that advertised itself as "Chicago Pizza!" and when I walked in and say trays of thin crust, single topping pizzas, I just turned right around and walked back out.
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The best pizza I've ever had in my life was at John's Pizzeria in New York. Was there for Fleet Week 2004, my liberty buddy and I were treated to the place by an outstanding local lady.
I'd almost go back to NYC just for their pizza.... almost. :lol:
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The best pizza I've ever had in my life was at John's Pizzeria in New York. Was there for Fleet Week 2004, my liberty buddy and I were treated to the place by an outstanding local lady.
I'd almost go back to NYC just for their pizza.... almost. :lol:
Pffft
Best pizza pie is across the bridge is Jersey :P
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A lot of restaurants will even serve "pizza" without a single pepperoni in sight. For some reason, these places are never shut down by the authorities. It is most frustrating.
There are also people who call their pizza a 'pizza pie'. These same people also think that pizza should have thin crust.
If there is such a connection, which I doubt, it ought to work the other way. A fruit pie is usually thicker than the deep dish monstrosities you call pizzas.
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Herman Cain just lost my vote. They asked him thin crust or deep dish. He chose wrong. I mean, deep dish? What next, Canadian bacon? :facepalm:
He's half Sicilian, that's why. How do you think he got to be CEO of Godfather pizza? =D
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He's half Sicilian, that's why. How do you think he got to be CEO of Godfather pizza? =D
I'd bet that Cain could make us a pizza we can't refuse..... :cool:
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If there is such a connection, which I doubt, it ought to work the other way. A fruit pie is usually thicker than the deep dish monstrosities you call pizzas.
It ought to work that way. A real pizza is actually THICKER than a fruit pie. Yet those adherents of the New York heresy think pizza is thin and a "pie".
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You think New York pizza is thin? Then you ain't seen St. Louis pizza. Cracker-thin. St. Louis-style also means provolone cheese, but I prefer mozzarella. Sometimes, olive oil with garlic is nice, instead of tomato sauce.
People don't call them pies, here. That may be a New York thing. It has nothing to do with thickness, though. It's just because pizza are pie-shaped.
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St. Louis-style
Stone the heretic.
It's fistful's fault.
There is no such thing.
[popcorn]
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...and, if you kept up with the last governor's election, you'll never see Perry on a debate stage.... ;/
No need. He was running against an anthropomorphic turnip with delusions of adequacy.
He also didn't meet with a single newspaper editorial board, because he knew they are all lefties anyways.
He has debated in past elections, though.
Well, I hear there are even some people who put pineapple on their pizza pie. As long as he doesn't cross that line I think I can forgive him this one fallacy.
A Georgian (the one in the former USSR) opened a pizza place nearby. I tried to order a pineapple and ham pizza for my wife. The thickly accented reply was, "We only make Italian pizza." No further discussion of pineapple or other adulterants was entertained.
Dude would take your order and then alter it to HIS requirements as he saw fit. Thing was, he made the best traditional pizza I ever ate; so I learned to order, eat whatever he brought out, STFU, and revel in the best damn pizza I ever ate.
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... I learned to order, eat whatever he brought out, STFU, and revel in the best damn pizza I ever ate.
Pizza Nazi? (No, that's NOT a thread Godwin in this instance!)
DD
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I remember an article many moon ago when I still lived near Philly. There was a "Fat is Beautiful" convention wherein the attendants made many complaints about having problems with discrimination.
The reporter interviewed a guy working for the caterer for the convention. Asked him if he thought obese people had such a problem with discrimination. "Heck yeah! They have problems discriminating between 1 slice of pizza and the whole pie!".
C&SD - that wasn't you they interviewed by any chance??
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Pizza has to be at least 1" deep. And eaten with a knife and fork it's so thick.
So Herman Cain has my vote for now. Although I like Michelle Bachman and Alan West as well.
I just can't see Gov. Goodhair getting the nomination. Not after Bush II. He kinda poisoned the Texas Gov to White house path.
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I like West and Bachmann too, but they are more likely to be heading breakaway republics, not the current US of A. Cain will fade away before 2012. The guy with the best hair will win.
Thin crust pizza is for wankers.
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Pizza Nazi? (No, that's NOT a thread Godwin in this instance!)
DD
Sort of.
More like Pizza Mafioso. "Make him an offer (on the pizza) he can't refuse."
Dude reminded me of a bad Hollywood Georgian organized crime goon, especially on the phone.
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Neither Perry nor Palin were on the stage. At least one of them will be in the running.
I'd bet serious money that you are wrong.
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I'd bet serious money that you are wrong.
That's a bad bet.....but I'd make a side bet that Perry is going to pull an LBJ and maneuver to get himself a VP spot...
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I tried to order a pineapple and ham pizza for my wife. The thickly accented reply was, "We only make Italian pizza." No further discussion of pineapple or other adulterants was entertained.
I like this guy.
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You think in Italy they don't "experiment" with pizza? Ever had "quattro stagioni" pizza?
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You think New York pizza is thin? Then you ain't seen St. Louis pizza. Cracker-thin. St. Louis-style also means provolone cheese, but I prefer mozzarella. Sometimes, olive oil with garlic is nice, instead of tomato sauce.
True St Louis style pizza uses a nasty Velveeta-like processed provolone cheese called Provel®
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I once ate a grilled processed cheese sandwich that was cooked in industrial food safe lubricant. The mix up was caused by a new worker mistaking a jug of food service equipment grease with margarine. I grabbed one on the way to break and ate it in practically one bite, giving me a full 15 minutes to take awareness of the glossy not-quite-food flavored sandwich. It twisted in my body for hours and I am certain it will still be there long after my body decays and blows away to dust.
Frankly, I'm not too sure about St. Louis style anything. I didn't know there was a St. Louis style pizza but with Provel.... no thanks.
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Most places will use mozzarella, if you ask.
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GOP 2012 ticket prediction
Kinky Friedman -- Why the hell not? (he woulda been a lot better governor of Texas than Rick Perry IMHO.)
http://youtu.be/yVR58cY1iyQ
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Well, I'm going to stick a Ron Paul sign in my yard. I just hope he has the balls to nuke everyone who pisses us off.
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Well, I'm going to stick a Ron Paul sign in my yard. I just hope he has the balls to nuke everyone who pisses us off.
IMO, the best thing about Ron Paul is that he pisses off everybody that I like seeing get pissed off. The same could be said of Rick Perry in most cases.
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Since this thread has been revived...after seeing speeches from most of the candidates, POTUS, VPOTUS, and others, I am still wishing for a Ryan/rice or anyone/Ryan ticket...just to see Ryan debate Obama (preferably) or Biden...though wouldn't the latter be more verbal slapstick than a debate? I can imagine giving the "no where in that rambling response did you come anywhere close to a coherent thought...and we are all now dumber for hearing it...I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul" response to a Biden statement.
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Ron Paul was my congressman for a while . . . I like seeing him in congress.
But once I saw him say 9/11 was "blowback for US policies," I decided I didn't want him getting anywhere near the Oval Office.
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Ron Paul was my congressman for a while . . . I like seeing him in congress.
But once I saw him say 9/11 was "blowback for US policies," I decided I didn't want him getting anywhere near the Oval Office.
They hate us because of our freedom! ;/
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Kinky Friedman -- Why the hell not? (he woulda been a lot better governor of Texas than Rick Perry IMHO.)
http://youtu.be/yVR58cY1iyQ
I agree with you on the governor part....but he's way to liberal to be POTUS....
I'm still holding out hope for a Allen West/Michelle Bachmann ticket....but my guess will be that the GOP will force either Romney or Perry down our throats....and the Tea Party will just skip voting for POTUS.....
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Is Rick Perry's RINO reputation well-known outside of Texas? Will he really have trouble positioning himself as a Tea Partyist?
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Allen West or Michelle Bachmann may be President, but it won't be of this America.
Condi Rice has zero chance of being on anybody's ticket. Her association with W. is a glaring minus, and she lacks experience as an elected official. America is not interested in another "academic" in the White House.
Rick Perry is telegenic perfection for the Presidency. Whether he's the real deal--or as some suggest a Bilderberger emissary--I'll leave to those who know his record better.
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Is Rick Perry's RINO reputation well-known outside of Texas? Will he really have trouble positioning himself as a Tea Partyist?
Not really sure...he's kinda wrapping himself in that "Texas Independent" flag that fools people into thinking that Texas is more free than it actually is....but there are plenty of Tea Party, disgruntled supporters of the prior governor candidates, and Texas Democrats who will make sure that Perry's rep gets reported....but I don't see the "mainstream" conservative news sources (FoxNews, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.) jumping on board to tell the story....
Good thing we still have the Internet.....