Author Topic: Obama to Deploy Up to 1,200 National Guard Troops to U.S.-Mexico Border  (Read 11628 times)

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Expect the National Guard to be passing out water bottles to the latino travelers.
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US troops won't be used to stop illegal immigration: US

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0513d49acfc29bc63d3ee39de8bd3b71.dc1&show_article=1

US National Guard troops being sent to the Mexican border will be used to stem the flow of guns and drugs across the frontier and not to enforce US immigration laws, the State Department said Wednesday.
The clarification came after the Mexican government urged Washington not to use the additional troops to go after illegal immigrants.

President Barack Obama on Tuesday authorized the deployment of up to 1,200 additional troops to border areas but State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters, "It's not about immigration."

He said the move was "fully consistent with our efforts to do our part to stem, you know, violence, to interdict the flow of dangerous people and dangerous goods -- drugs, guns, people."

He said the extra troops would be used to free up civilians engaged in support functions so that law enforcement personnel can be increased along the 2,000-mile-long (3,200 kilometer) border.

Nearly 13 million Mexicans live in the United States, more than half of them illegally.

"We have explained the president's announcement to the government of Mexico, and they fully understand the rationale behind it," Crowley said.

Obama's announcement came less than a week after a state visit to Washington by Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who asked for greater US backing for a bloody three-year-old war on drug cartels.

Drug violence has claimed the lives of nearly 23,000 people over the past three years.





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What did I say:

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Maybe they can stop all those machine guns bought at gunshows from being smuggled into Mexico 

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US National Guard troops being sent to the Mexican border will be used to stem the flow of guns and drugs across the frontier and not to enforce US immigration laws, the State Department said Wednesday.

 ;/ :mad:
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Rather idiotic that they didn't issue. Would also seem to be a significant safety hazard. You're on a border, where you have a demonstrated history of cross-border violence, and they want you to sit there with an empty rifle. Yeaaaah.....

If it saves just one O's career by preventing a ND, leaving our boys' asses hanging in the breeze will have been worth it.
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If Obama federalizes (I said "nationalizes" earlier, my bad) the NG and sends them to the border to "observe" (like Dubya did), doesn't that keep Gov. Brewer from doing anything actually useful with the troops?  I still think that's part of the plan.  [tinfoil]


I could be wrong on this, but I thought when Bush did it, he had the states activate them.  Granted the feds reimbursed the states for the cost, but technically, I believe the Guard was under state control.  I thought they did it that way to circumvent the PCA issues.

Anyone know?

There is case law: Bissonette v. Haig, 800 F.2d 812 (8th Cir. 1986) which found that the military can furnish equipment and advice and not violate PCA, but roadblocks and armed patrols do, because they are regulatory, proscriptive, and compulsory.

But if the Guard stayed under state control, they could do some of those things as PCA doesn't apply.


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There are two possibilities here: either the National Guard is just a theatrical prop to make Obama appear he's doing something real about border problems when he isn't and doesn't intend to, or the National Guard will be used actively to quash anti-illegal alien activities under the guise of civil rights protection.  Does anyone here really believe that Obama wants to stop the influx of illegal aliens?
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Now, for a little levity:




http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjhiOTc4YmY4NGZjZDIwYzQ5ZWRkZDZkZTQ0MjQwYjM=

The Danged Fence   [Mark Krikorian]

When I first saw McCain's "complete the danged fence" ad, I thought it had to be a joke. So brazen a flip-flop seemed improbable from Mr. Straight-Talk Express — his transparently insincere contortions on immigration during the 2008 campaign suggested it was hard for McCain to engage in Specter-esque lying. After all, he told Vanity Fair just three years ago that, "By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I'll build the goddamned fence if they want it."

But he apparently is serious. Auster tries to figure out the ad:

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    Either it is a conscious reference to his 2008 "build the damned fence" comment, in which case the ad is an expression of multi-leveled, post-modern irony, mocking anyone stupid enough to believe McCain's newly re-minted persona as tough-talking border guard; or McCain has no memory of his "build the damned fence" comment and is simply lost in his own lies, in which case the person being inadvertently mocked by the ad is McCain himself.

It's pretty obviously the latter — see Joe Scarborough, John Shadegg, and others unable to contain their laughter after watching the ad. I don't know if there's been a Downfall parody of the ad yet, but there is a Star Wars one.

I don't write the editorials, and I'm a firm believer is letting a hundred flowers bloom and all that, but I disagree with NR's endorsement of McCain in the new issue of the magazine. Sure, a blustering sportscaster wouldn't be the ideal senator, but a body that includes Lindsey Graham, Arlen Specter, Harry Reid, and Al Franken is in no position to say that J. D. Hayworth somehow doesn't measure up. Retiring John McCain — even if his replacement was a cashier from Trader Joe's — would be an important act of lustration. Unfortunately, his likely reelection demonstrates that, while you can't fool all of the people all of the time, you can come close enough for government work.



For your viewing amusement:

Private Pyle John McCain: Born Again Hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7p6g9ndBB8

Complete the danged Death Star Fence!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7p6g9ndBB8
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Why build a fence?  It is expensive, and many say it won't work. 

Razor wire is a lot cheaper, is fast to lay out, fast to replace, and would stop a lot of illegals.  Probably more than a fence does.

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The fence may be "expensive," but it's not as expensive as the estimated $300 billion-plus a year we spend on illegal aliens in America.  Obviously, The Fence is only one element of the problem.
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Why build a fence?  It is expensive, and many say it won't work. 

Razor wire is a lot cheaper, is fast to lay out, fast to replace, and would stop a lot of illegals.  Probably more than a fence does.

The Israeli Gaza fence is pretty darned effective, as is the West Bank fence, where it has been built.

I've done calculations WRT cost per unit length relative to Israeli and American populations and GDP.  Replicating a Gaza-type fence on the southern border is well within our means.
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Cheaper to put one around D.C. first.
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Does anyone here really believe that Obama wants to stop the influx of illegal aliens?

No, most people understand it's in his best interests to figure out how to give them amnesty.  But, he and the Democrats aren't alone in not stopping it.  There are some Republicans who don't want to fix the problem either.

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Cheaper to put one around D.C. first.


Are we keeping them in or are we keeping people out?  ???

I'm for keeping them in and cutting off all lines of commo with the city.  They'll just wither away and cause no more harm.  :angel:

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How effective was the Berlin Wall?
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How effective was the Berlin Wall?

Pretty effective. Especially since it was made to keep people IN. Of course that distinction doesn't matter, our fence is just as EVIL.
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you ever look at what their staffing was for border control?  and they had the advatage of controling internal movement in the approaches to the wall
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Wouldn't a fence keep all those assault weapons from being smuggled into Mexico from the USA ?  :P
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Wouldn't a fence keep all those assault weapons from being smuggled into Mexico from the USA ?  :P

Bravo.

We're building this fence to save the Mexican people from our evil guns!
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you ever look at what their staffing was for border control?  and they had the advatage of controling internal movement in the approaches to the wall

I've heard that even with all that people were still able to sneak over.
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very very few snuck over the wire  they had remote/auto machineguns and minefields.  there was a sheriffs deputy in fairfax who made it out this guy lived and breathed for the usa. made john wayne look like a communist. he told us a few stories about why he left. they were memorable both in the facts but more so for the level of pain and emotion this very hard man displayed.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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How effective was the Berlin Wall?

The wall itself wasn't all that effective.  The wall just slowed the egress down a tad- it was a barrier to impede movement.  I think they used landmines and armed guards who actually had bullets and shot people.  Both of those were pretty effective.  Note that I'm not suggesting we shoot people or plant landmines, just pointing out why the Berlin wall worked.

oops- posted after the one before this-  What he said.  :lol:

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When I first heard of 1200 NG going to the border, my thoughts were  A) Are they armed? You know, with functional guns and live ammo? And B) What are their ROEs?

From what I've heard and red, the answers are A) No and  B) Don't do anything useful.

I think longeyes hit the nail on the head with his first premise:

. . . the National Guard is just a theatrical prop to make Obama appear he's doing something real about border problems when he isn't and doesn't intend to . . .
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But, he and the Democrats aren't alone in not stopping it.  There are some Republicans who don't want to fix the problem either.

We need to get them out of Congress this year, and out of the Senate as they run for reelection.

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Sadly, there a bunch of folks in DC who don't want to get involved with anything.

The 1200 sound political, at best, as Barry Obama get's hammered for doing nothing.

I saw him apologizing to Calderone last week about our nasty AZ laws - very embarassing.

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Obama sounded off on the AZ law again today at his much-awaited presser.  He's still singing the same song: I'll give you border security AFTER you give me amnesty (aka comprehensive immigration reform) for illegals.  There is no way he's going to be able to sell that to the majority of Americans, but he's delusional enough to believe that he can push it through anyway.  "Anyway" seems to the anthem of this administration, just as "enough!" is the anthem of the tea party resistance.

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