Requires Hate: Background identity politics war in Sci-Fi

[Ned Hamford]

https://quillette.com/2018/08/18/the-forgotten-story-of-how-punching-up-harmed-the-science-fiction-fantasy-world/

Remembering reading some of the Sad Puppy by blows, it's nice to see a literary identity politics terrorist Social Justice Warrior have some exposure for the hate filled trolling so severe is seems more like a cartoonish morality tale for it's unapologetic villainy.

Harrasing folks out of public works and conversation, seeming end goal to suicide, should really garner more than a splash of backlash. Let's not celebrate the deplorable.

[Strings]

I hate how the social justice crowd have taken over fandom. It's almost scary

[Ben]

I hate how the social justice crowd have taken over fandom. It's almost scary

I hate how the social justice crowd has taken over everything. You can't walk out your front door without offending someone. Retards.

[MillCreek]

That was really interesting and I learned a lot.  Thanks for posting.

[Hawkmoon]

The only piece of Sci-Fi/Fantasy I've read since Anne McCaffrey's death (other than two more books in her Pern series, written by her son and which I hated) is one recently offered up by one of our own.

[Phyphor]

Yeah, the SJW crowd seems to think that this is a toothless world where offense should never be offered or received.

They can only get away with this nonsense because they live in a western nation where freedom of speech is basically guaranteed (which is ironic, considering their goals and operating methods,) - This crap won't fly in more repressive cultures but they're too blind/ignorant/deluded to understand that.

Their only saving grace is the fact that they're biodegradable.

[Strings]

I keep remembering the whole "If we were as violent as you say, you would already be dead" thing.

One day, they are gonna massively fail in their victim selection process. And things are gonna blow sky high

[MechAg94]

I keep remembering the whole "If we were as violent as you say, you would already be dead" thing.

One day, they are gonna massively fail in their victim selection process. And things are gonna blow sky high

I get the impression the public in general ignores it or agrees that it is a bunch of BS, but the media and govt and general culture are lagging behind.  Maybe it is just my perception. 

[RoadKingLarry]

I keep remembering the whole "If we were as violent as you say, you would already be dead" thing.

One day, they are gonna massively fail in their victim selection process. And things are gonna blow sky high

I still can't quite decide if it is a good thing or a bad thing that we don't see more "killdozer" level events.

[Mannlicher]

I am still looking forward to that big asteroid strike.

[Devonai]

The only piece of Sci-Fi/Fantasy I've read since Anne McCaffrey's death (other than two more books in her Pern series, written by her son and which I hated) is one recently offered up by one of our own.

I've got no dog in this hunt.  I just want to write stories about talking cats and mounting GAU-8 Avengers on spacecraft.

I never put too much thought into the race of my human characters.  Only two main characters have their ethnicity mentioned at all (best I can recall).  My namesake, Kyrie Devonai, and Chance Richter, are of Jewish and German descent, respectively.  Few have blatantly ethnic surnames, though one can certainly derive their ethnicity though Wikipedia entries if one was so inclined.  There are also aliens in my fourth book that have Japanese names, though this is explained in the narrative.

When it comes to sexual preference, when it is relevant to the story, my characters are all heterosexual or "cisgendered," as far as they identify themselves as their birth gender.  If it's not relevant to the story, it's not mentioned at all.  I have not, nor will I ever, include a LGBTQ character just for the sake of "virtue signaling."  If I do, it's because it's relevant to the story.  Heck, I'm writing science fiction adventure, not romance; if certain characters are hot for each other than it's either relevant to the plot or to explain the driving motivations behind them.

[Hawkmoon]

When it comes to sexual preference, when it is relevant to the story, my characters are all heterosexual or "cisgendered," as far as they identify themselves as their birth gender.  If it's not relevant to the story, it's not mentioned at all.  I have not, nor will I ever, include a LGBTQ character just for the sake of "virtue signaling."  If I do, it's because it's relevant to the story.  Heck, I'm writing science fiction adventure, not romance; if certain characters are hot for each other than it's either relevant to the plot or to explain the driving motivations behind them.

That's where, for me, Todd McCaffrey completely ruined the Pern series. The first two books he did completely on his own, after his mother's death, had blatantly homosexual (lesbian) protagonists, and the fact is that it was completely unnecessary to make that part of the story line. The stories would have been the same if the main character(s) were heterosexual, and leaving all the LGBTXYZ&^% garbage out of it would have allowed the books to be shorter and the story lines a lot tighter. As it is, those two books were, at the time, by far the longest in the entire series. I don't know if Todd has written more since those. I gave up. I have an entire bookshelf devoted just to the Pern novels ... and those two books aren't on it. It used to be that whenever I went to a Barnes & Noble, my first stop was the Sci-Fi aisle to see if Anne McCaffrey had a new book out. Since Todd took over the series, I no longer care.

[Hawkmoon]

I never put too much thought into the race of my human characters.  Only two main characters have their ethnicity mentioned at all (best I can recall).  My namesake, Kyrie Devonai, and Chance Richter, are of Jewish and German descent, respectively.  Few have blatantly ethnic surnames, though one can certainly derive their ethnicity though Wikipedia entries if one was so inclined.  There are also aliens in my fourth book that have Japanese names, though this is explained in the narrative.

So you're telling me that you've got an entire planet with cities named Edinburgh and such, and characters with names like Siobhan, but we're not supposed to think they're of Scottish ethnicity? And that was totally by accident, you didn't give it any thought? 

[Devonai]

 

 

[Ben]

When it comes to sexual preference, when it is relevant to the story, my characters are all heterosexual or "cisgendered," as far as they identify themselves as their birth gender.  If it's not relevant to the story, it's not mentioned at all.  I have not, nor will I ever, include a LGBTQ character just for the sake of "virtue signaling."  If I do, it's because it's relevant to the story.  Heck, I'm writing science fiction adventure, not romance; if certain characters are hot for each other than it's either relevant to the plot or to explain the driving motivations behind them.

I really appreciate that. I guess I'll come off as a gayzor bigot, but I am sick to death of reading books or, especially, watching TV, and just having gay sex thrown in my face for no plot reason, just so that the book/show can say, "Look how pro-gay we are!" This has been happening a lot in the last couple of years, to the point one might think it's political manipulation.

I have found Netflix original series to be the worst in this regard. Some show that has nothing to do with romance will need to, in the first 15 minutes, show a couple of naked guys going at it, while any hetro romances are only alluded to if they are mentioned at all. I don't care if there is a gay couple, but why do you have to throw their lovemaking in my face for no reason at all? Especially when it is completely unrelatable to anything in the show or to any other relationships in the show? With some of them, it's like, here we have a serious space battle going on, with millions of lives in the balance, and then, "Oh, by the way, here's a clip of couple of guys humping each other, and now, back to our story."

If you want to throw gay couples in the mix with hetero couples, fine, but treat them all equally. The way some media does it now, you would think that 95% of the planet is overtly homosexual, and hetero relationships don't exist at all.

[zxcvbob]

If you want to throw gay couples in the mix with hetero couples, fine, but treat them all equally. The way some media does it now, you would think that 95% of the planet is overtly homosexual, and hetero relationships don't exist at all.

I figured out from watching the first season and a half of Torchwood (that's as far as I got) that *everybody* in Britain is gay.  A few of them don't realize it yet, but they'll catch up eventually.  Perhaps that's just Wales (the show is set in Cardiff) but it seems like it's the whole empire.

[RoadKingLarry]

I was going to mention Torchwood, it was the first time I really noticed the "in your face" attitude about it.

[HankB]

I've been a major science-fiction fan since I began reading, but I don't go to sci-fi conventions (I think they'r silly) or dress up like Darth Vader, not even at Halloween.

But my reaction after reading the link in the OP was . . . "Who the bleep are these people?"   

The impotent rants of some obscure keyboard commando are irrelevant to me . . . and lie somewhere in the realm between "pathetic" and "funny."

[KD5NRH]

I figured out from watching the first season and a half of Torchwood (that's as far as I got) that *everybody* in Britain is gay.  A few of them don't realize it yet, but they'll catch up eventually.  Perhaps that's just Wales (the show is set in Cardiff) but it seems like it's the whole empire.

The really impressive part is how Dr Who was able to travel all over space and time for half a century without encountering so much as a bisexual or a mixed couple, then all of a sudden everybody, everywhere and everywhen is LGBTQEIEIO and/or in a mixed-race relationship.

[KD5NRH]

I've been a major science-fiction fan since I began reading, but I don't go to sci-fi conventions (I think they'r silly) or dress up like Darth Vader, not even at Halloween.

For the most part I just stick with authors that are already dead, or intentionally controversial enough that something like this would just be more fuel to their creative fire.

[French G.]

I don't sci-fi at all beyond Star Wars or that crappy one season show but boy I love to tune into a good Correia Facebook mess, just to watch the heads explode.

[grampster]

  Our moral code may have been a bit tougher when I was younger as far as the overtness of plastering overt sexualness everywhere.  That didn't seem to stop any sexual behavior.  It just wasn't in your face.  There were a couple girls in my graduating class who were pregnant for example.  I guess what bothers me is the blinding need of the entertainment/mass media industry to virtue signal every aspect of human sexuality in a way that is in your face and demanding that we accept that behavior and embrace it.

Being engaged in living in the present and comparing it to other times I have lived through, I'd take the 50's and early 60's.

[freakazoid]

I really appreciate that. I guess I'll come off as a gayzor bigot, but I am sick to death of reading books or, especially, watching TV, and just having gay sex thrown in my face for no plot reason, just so that the book/show can say, "Look how pro-gay we are!" This has been happening a lot in the last couple of years, to the point one might think it's political manipulation.

I have found Netflix original series to be the worst in this regard. Some show that has nothing to do with romance will need to, in the first 15 minutes, show a couple of naked guys going at it, while any hetro romances are only alluded to if they are mentioned at all. I don't care if there is a gay couple, but why do you have to throw their lovemaking in my face for no reason at all? Especially when it is completely unrelatable to anything in the show or to any other relationships in the show? With some of them, it's like, here we have a serious space battle going on, with millions of lives in the balance, and then, "Oh, by the way, here's a clip of couple of guys humping each other, and now, back to our story."

If you want to throw gay couples in the mix with hetero couples, fine, but treat them all equally. The way some media does it now, you would think that 95% of the planet is overtly homosexual, and hetero relationships don't exist at all.

Or when some strong woman that is a leader of a group in a sort of post-apocalyptic story comes across another group with a strong woman leader and they both all of a sudden turn out to be lesbians. *The cough 100 cough*

[French G.]

*The cough 100 cough*

Hairball?

[Doggy Daddy]

Hairball?