Post by: telewinz on September 22, 2005, 03:13:38 PM
Post by: thorn on September 22, 2005, 03:32:47 PM
oh the republican drone, so well programmed.
Post by: Standing Wolf on September 22, 2005, 03:56:06 PM
Post by: grampster on September 22, 2005, 05:20:12 PM
Post by: Ron on September 22, 2005, 05:27:28 PM
The Democrats are real short on idea men/women.
Post by: The Rabbi on September 22, 2005, 06:20:27 PM
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Criticism is fine if it is offered with an alternative plan.
The Democrats are real short on idea men/women.
I disagree. The Democrats have plenty of ideas. Ideas that win elections. As long as that election was held in 1968 or something. As of now they are banging the same old drum and no one is listening. Their theme seems to be "we need to be elected because otherwise Republicans will be and we can't have THAT." Not a good strategy.
The Democrats are real short on idea men/women.
Post by: Ben on September 22, 2005, 07:02:28 PM
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Their theme seems to be "we need to be elected because otherwise Republicans will be and we can't have THAT." Not a good strategy.
That pretty much sums it up.
Post by: Moondoggie on September 22, 2005, 07:29:38 PM
Yeah, I can hardly wait for the next election cycle. Thank goodness for DVR's/TIVO!!!
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2005, 08:27:42 PM
The past is great.
As long as you don't try to live in it.
Post by: Antibubba on September 22, 2005, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: thorn on September 22, 2005, 11:40:29 PM
uh or 1992 0r 1996.
you guys make me laugh. as if republicans didnt take every oppurtunity to do the same when Clinton was in office.
Lewinsky. now THERE was something worth complaining about.
reading these sites it becomes very clear why neither side gets anywhere, both are in total denial.
mistakes are only made by the opposite side.
there's justification for EVERYthing your side does.
Post by: TarpleyG on September 23, 2005, 02:30:41 AM
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there's justification for EVERYthing your side does.
To some maybe. I voted for Bush and here is a small sample of what I am unhappy about:1) Border policy is a joke
2) PATRIOT Act - don't even get me started...
3) We need to take a more agressive role in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere if we intend to defeat our enemy
4) Spending is WAY out of control...what are they doing, printing this money as we go along?
5) "No child left behind" BS = dumbing down of America
There's probably a bunch more that I am forgetting about...
Greg
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2005, 03:37:06 AM
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As long as that election was held in 1968 or something.
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uh or 1992 0r 1996.
Didn't Clinton win by playing to the right, just as Bush has? The point being that left-wing politics is not popular.
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on September 23, 2005, 04:10:03 AM
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Didn't Clinton win by playing to the right, just as Bush has? The point being that left-wing politics is not popular.
DingDingDingDing! Good Answer! Tell'im what he's won, Johnny!
Post by: The Rabbi on September 23, 2005, 04:53:11 AM
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>>As long as that election was held in 1968 or something.<<
uh or 1992 0r 1996.
you guys make me laugh. as if republicans didnt take every oppurtunity to do the same when Clinton was in office.
Lewinsky. now THERE was something worth complaining about.
You dont think abuse of power and lying under oath are worth complaining about? That makes you part of the problem.
uh or 1992 0r 1996.
you guys make me laugh. as if republicans didnt take every oppurtunity to do the same when Clinton was in office.
Lewinsky. now THERE was something worth complaining about.
Post by: Moondoggie on September 23, 2005, 05:12:48 AM
I don't care that he was an unfaithful dog, dissing Hillary who he describes as "My moral compass"...scary thought. How stupid do you have to be to think that an intern who's wacko enough to come on to the POTUS in the Oval Office is gonna keep it a secret after she comes out from under the desk?
? Thinking with the wrong head at that level is a little below expectations.I do care that he lied under oath about the Paula Jones sexual harassment thing.
Also +1 for Greg's list!
Post by: Waitone on September 23, 2005, 11:57:18 AM
My conclusion is both parties only believe in the acquisition and maintenance of power. Just like every gang, mob, and fascist form of government.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 23, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
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My conclusion is both parties only believe in the acquisition and maintenance of power.
You were expecting politicians to be idealists? Don't. Both parties have platforms, and members believe in more or less of it. However, political parties only exist because party organization is a more effective way to win elections (and thereby gain power). Thereby, the power-hungry will seek places in those organizations, even if they don't believe in every plank of the platform.I see it this way. People don't just stumble into positions of high office. Most who get these offices are ambitious people who have clawed their way to the top. Therefore, we should expect many of them to be more interested in power and position than in principles.
We have primaries and elections so that we may keep such people in line.
Post by: Art Eatman on September 23, 2005, 03:17:31 PM
When you have people to whom facts are less important than perceptions, and are extremely passionate about ideology, you wind up with ad hominem attacks against any who disagree with them. Add to this that there is the loss of power and their decades-long control over the federal budget, with Democrats in Congress happy to fan the fires of their constituents, and you have this unending yawping.
Art
Post by: Antibubba on September 23, 2005, 08:43:52 PM
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When you have people to whom facts are less important than perceptions, and are extremely passionate about ideology
Art, if you take out "perceptions" and insert "faith-based beliefs", you can apply the same observation to "Conservatives".
Post by: thorn on September 23, 2005, 10:44:53 PM
1) Border policy is a joke
2) PATRIOT Act - don't even get me started...
3) We need to take a more agressive role in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere if we intend to defeat our enemy
4) Spending is WAY out of control...what are they doing, printing this money as we go along?
5) "No child left behind" BS = dumbing down of America
There's probably a bunch more that I am forgetting about...
Greg
yeah, there's lots more you are forgetting.
National ID- thanks Bush for opening the door to TOTAL gun control
but all of that is less important than what Clinton did outside of his responsibilities in office.
sure, lying under oath was very very wrong- BUT should he ever have been asked in the first place?
why was it so important he might have cheated on his wife?
Y'ALL HAD NOTHING. you didnt like him, so instead of being decent Americans and waiting for the next election, you tried to boot him.
Clinton's mistake was dealing with the issue at all.
ps-
the temporary assault weapons ban will work out to NOTHING after this national ID kicks in.
drone on republicans, drone on.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 24, 2005, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: Antibubba
Art, if you take out "perceptions" and insert "faith-based beliefs", you can apply the same observation to "Conservatives".
Faith-based beliefs like human rights, fairness, freedom of conscience?You don't believe in those?
Post by: Art Eatman on September 25, 2005, 05:56:33 AM
As I have interacted with folks at mostly-liberal sites, I see far more ad hominem attacks. As I watch TV, I notice that liberals tend to be more emotional than conservatives--think of the Sunday morning talking-head shows. Heck, isn't it Colmes who usually gets excited before Hannity does?
, Art
Post by: Ezekiel on September 25, 2005, 10:12:40 AM
If it stems fom a blowjob? No, I am not concerned. I might be somewhat irrational, too, if my political agenda was usurped due to such trivialities. What happened to Clinton is akin to what would occur now if there was an open investigation into Bush's previous use of cocaine: a bag of worms.
The real issue is whether such activity, or activities, directly minimizes one's ability to act as the Executive. Based upon the available evidence in either case, I say "no". Neither should be investigated, cost us millions in taxpayer $$$, or make as international laughingstocks. Hell, with their finger on the button, I hope our Presidents are receiving all sorts of oral stimulation. With the stress of that job, they deserve it...
Post by: Antibubba on September 25, 2005, 07:29:39 PM
Post by: pauli on September 26, 2005, 04:19:33 AM
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Why are the Democrats after Bush?
because the republicans aren't, unfortunately.
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 29, 2005, 07:45:05 AM
The real question ought to be, "why are life-long replublicans, like me, going after Bush?"
Post by: The Rabbi on September 29, 2005, 07:56:01 AM
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 29, 2005, 07:57:21 AM
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Well, I am beginning to wonder if Republicans haven't lost touch with the ideals that put them in power to begin with.
Beginning to wonder?