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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on August 30, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837878/Unruly-Hawaiian-Airlines-passenger-pay-98-000.html
Man who disrupted a flight from Hawaii to CONUS, causing the pilot to return to Hawaii, ordered to repay the airline for the costs associated with the diversion.
$98,000
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This is interesting because it says a little bit about the airlines' actual costs, which I have always wondered about. I guess you can do a rough calculation based on fuel costs and hourly wages to get a cost floor, but I don't know what airlines actually pay for jet fuel. Do they pay each airport they fly out of for the fuel they fill up with? Is there an industry-wide negotiated rate?
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This is interesting because it says a little bit about the airlines' actual costs, which I have always wondered about. I guess you can do a rough calculation based on fuel costs and hourly wages to get a cost floor, but I don't know what airlines actually pay for jet fuel. Do they pay each airport they fly out of for the fuel they fill up with? Is there an industry-wide negotiated rate?
That $98k includes all of the vouchers and credits to the pax, I bet.
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That $98k includes all of the vouchers and credits to the pax, I bet.
Plus whatever ripple for having the crew and plane out of position.
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This is interesting because it says a little bit about the airlines' actual costs, which I have always wondered about. I guess you can do a rough calculation based on fuel costs and hourly wages to get a cost floor, but I don't know what airlines actually pay for jet fuel. Do they pay each airport they fly out of for the fuel they fill up with? Is there an industry-wide negotiated rate?
From what I understand, there are multiple fuel companies that service multiple airports, and the airlines negotiate with them. Then the airport charges a fee to actually use the airport and gate system.
The airlines will often negotiate long term contracts with the fuel companies in order to provide stability and save money.
I doubt they managed to charge much for ripple. Dude's probably tapped out as is.
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No airline pays spot prices for fuel at their regular airports. Fuel hedging is a big piece of it, so are fuel contracts.
I'm guessing the $98,000 includes all the payroll for probably two full crews, fuel costs, direct operating cost, hotels and food for anyone who wanted it, cost associated with cancelled or delayed future flights, extra maintainence if the plane needed an inspection for overweight landing, maybe costs of having to put passengers on other airlines, cost for delayed or destroyed cargo, and lots of other things I don't know about.
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I wonder what happens if he can't cough up the $98,000? :police:
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I wonder what happens if he can't cough up the $98,000? :police:
He's forced to fly United.
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He's forced to fly United.
Wouldn't that violate the 8th Amendment? :police:
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He's forced to fly United.
If so then I'm sure United won't serve him alcohol, but he can have all the punch he can handle.
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He's forced to fly United.
Almost choked on my food. :rofl:
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If so then I'm sure United won't serve him alcohol, but he can have all the punch he can handle.
:rofl:
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From what I understand, there are multiple fuel companies that service multiple airports, and the airlines negotiate with them. Then the airport charges a fee to actually use the airport and gate system.
The airlines will often negotiate long term contracts with the fuel companies in order to provide stability and save money.
I doubt they managed to charge much for ripple. Dude's probably tapped out as is.
It's a real cost. Airlines run on tight margins and rely on aircraft and crews being in position for the next flights. When they're not, there's extra costs with bringing new crews in (usually on OT), re positioning aircraft, etc.
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"During the meal service, the girlfriend's 16-year-old son told a flight attendant that August called him a derogatory word, insulted the children, and made life-threatening comments."
No, he won't be forced to fly United. United just hired him as their new director of customer service. Those are perfect qualifications for the job.
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I wonder what happens if he can't cough up the $98,000? :police:
So, stuck on Hawaii?
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It's a real cost. Airlines run on tight margins and rely on aircraft and crews being in position for the next flights. When they're not, there's extra costs with bringing new crews in (usually on OT), re positioning aircraft, etc.
Don't forget costs and settlements for dragging people off planes to get those crew transferred. =D