Post by: MechAg94 on September 09, 2008, 05:28:44 PM
I heard a little commentary on the radio about this. I was curious how you see this statement by Obama. I guess some are wondering if it should be taken as a stab at Palin. I think that is a stretch myself, but it really shows that Obama is not thinking or he has terrible speech writers. A statement like that doesn't really help him, but hurts if some people take it the wrong way. I guess I am just thinking there are far too many ways to say the same thing.
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Obama Says McCain Is Offering Fake Change: 'You Can Put Lipstick on a Pig, But It's Still a Pig'
September 09, 2008 6:10 PM
LEBANON, Va. -- "That's not change," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said, "but it's still a pig."
The crowd rose and applauded, some of them no doubt thinking he may have been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years.
"Weve had enough of the same old thing! Its time to bring about real change to Washington. And thats the choice youve got in this election."
Obama added that "it is not going to be easy ... John McCain has a compelling biography, you know Sarah Palin is an interesting story."
The crowd booed.
"No, shes new!" Obama said. "She hasnt been on the scene, you know, shes got five kids and my hat goes off to anybody whos looking after five. Ive got two and they tire Michelle and me out!"
-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
UPDATE: Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs insists the senator was not referring to Palin. "That's an old expression," Gibbs says.
September 09, 2008 6:10 PM
LEBANON, Va. -- "That's not change," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said, "but it's still a pig."
The crowd rose and applauded, some of them no doubt thinking he may have been alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years.
"Weve had enough of the same old thing! Its time to bring about real change to Washington. And thats the choice youve got in this election."
Obama added that "it is not going to be easy ... John McCain has a compelling biography, you know Sarah Palin is an interesting story."
The crowd booed.
"No, shes new!" Obama said. "She hasnt been on the scene, you know, shes got five kids and my hat goes off to anybody whos looking after five. Ive got two and they tire Michelle and me out!"
-- Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
UPDATE: Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs insists the senator was not referring to Palin. "That's an old expression," Gibbs says.
Post by: longeyes on September 09, 2008, 05:33:39 PM
Obama lost this war when he passed over Hillary, the killer choice, and gave McCain the opening of a lifetime.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 09, 2008, 05:43:45 PM
Post by: MechAg94 on September 09, 2008, 06:04:14 PM
Post by: roo_ster on September 09, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
They go all apey, once it sinks in.
Also, for BHO to be pure in motive and not mean the Palin/pig deal, BHO has to walk The Razor's Edge of Intelligence:
* Too "smart" to deliberately call Palin a pig in lipstick
* Too "dumb" to know how folks would react to any lipstick metaphors
I think Palin has gotten inside his guard, taken him to the mat, and cranking a political half-nelson on his self.
BHO is getting desperate & sloppy and crudely appealing to his base for support.
Post by: Standing Wolf on September 09, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
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BHO is getting desperate & sloppy and crudely appealing to his base for support.
Fortunately, the world doesn't get to vote in American elections.
Post by: seeker_two on September 10, 2008, 01:24:40 AM
I hope McCain realizes just how much he owes Palin for accepting the position and saving his campaign....
Post by: wacki on September 10, 2008, 02:52:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA
ouchies....
Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2008, 04:01:42 AM
I think he was trying to be cute, but stepped in it.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2008, 04:11:40 AM
Before Obama joke, people were talking about Biden's remark yesterday. Some people were upset that he was essentially saying that if you don't support federal funding of embryonic stem cell research then you don't love your disabled kids.
Neat jab, but just like Obama's joke, does it really help you more than it hurts you?
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"I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there's joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect," Biden said at a rally in Columbia, Missouri. "Well, guess what folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?"
Post by: Umber on September 10, 2008, 04:19:39 AM
Pelosi would have taken that as a compliment coming from Obama.
Umber
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 10, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
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"I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there's joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect," Biden said at a rally in Columbia, Missouri. "Well, guess what folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?"
Who is this imaginary group of people that doesn't support stem cell research?
Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2008, 09:21:57 AM
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"I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy, because there's joy to it as well, the joy and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect," Biden said at a rally in Columbia, Missouri. "Well, guess what folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?"
Who is this imaginary group of people that doesn't support stem cell research?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 10, 2008, 10:06:36 AM
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Post by: MechAg94 on September 10, 2008, 03:53:07 PM
It seems to me Republicans seize every opportunity to avoid issues and engage in the politics of personal humorous destruction.
Fixed it. 
It is all a matter of degree. I seriously doubt any of the major media is talking about this stuff a whole lot, but it is there.
Also remember that we are about to end 8 years of Bush who was demeaned and made fun of for his speaking mistakes since before he was elected. To say this is a Republican thing is idiotic.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 10, 2008, 08:50:22 PM
It seems to me Republicans seize every opportunity to avoid issues and engage in the politics of personal destruction.
Like you just did? Both sides do it. The left actually does it more, because the media is much less likely to punish them for it.
But in any case, there is a BIG difference between legitimate and meaningful criticism of one's opponent and "personal destruction." I suspect you are confusing one with the other.
Post by: Nitrogen on September 10, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
It seems to me Republicans politicians seize every opportunity to avoid issues and engage in the politics of personal destruction.
There, I fixed it for you.
Post by: S_O_Laban on September 10, 2008, 09:18:57 PM
IOW I doubt he made a premeditated decision to take a direct swipe at her.... but look what slipped out.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 10, 2008, 10:23:51 PM
If embryonic stem cell research is so sure to yield the big pot of gold at the end of the rainbow why is the private sector not spending more on it?.
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Outside the millions of dolalrs they are?
Regardless, it was never an issue of whether we should ban the research, but only whether .gov should fund it.
No.
Post by: red headed stranger on September 11, 2008, 12:04:35 AM
Outside the millions of dolalrs they are?
Regardless, it was never an issue of whether we should ban the research, but only whether .gov should fund it.
No.
In fairness, the GOP did vote to ban public and private research in their platform.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM0MGNmZjY2NGIyYzYzMjhmMzI0MGRmODZlZmM5ZDA=
Post by: MrRezister on September 11, 2008, 05:13:00 AM
Post by: xavier fremboe on September 11, 2008, 07:44:10 AM
If you watch the video, the crowd sure thinks BHO is referring to Palin/pig and McCain/smelly old fish.
They go all apey, once it sinks in.
Also, for BHO to be pure in motive and not mean the Palin/pig deal, BHO has to walk The Razor's Edge of Intelligence:
* Too "smart" to deliberately call Palin a pig in lipstick
* Too "dumb" to know how folks would react to any lipstick metaphors
*We have a winner.*They go all apey, once it sinks in.
Also, for BHO to be pure in motive and not mean the Palin/pig deal, BHO has to walk The Razor's Edge of Intelligence:
* Too "smart" to deliberately call Palin a pig in lipstick
* Too "dumb" to know how folks would react to any lipstick metaphors
jfruser is absolutely correct.
Listen to the timing of the remark. He deliberately pauses after the 'you can put lipstick on a pig,' part and waits for the crowd before carrying on to the punchline. The timing is absolutely deliberate.
If the audience weren't clued in, it would make as much sense as pausing after "If a frog had wings," *pause for laughter* "he wouldn't bump his ass a-hoppin"
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 11, 2008, 08:22:10 AM
In fairness, the GOP did vote to ban public and private research in their platform.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM0MGNmZjY2NGIyYzYzMjhmMzI0MGRmODZlZmM5ZDA=
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjM0MGNmZjY2NGIyYzYzMjhmMzI0MGRmODZlZmM5ZDA=
One would certainly hope so.
Post by: longeyes on September 11, 2008, 08:34:04 AM
Post by: Intune on September 11, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
If you want change, you want the Democratic Party, Cohen said.
Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about. Pontius Pilate was a governor. Give me the pig and a case of lipstick. Pigs don't suffer from Mad-Cow Disease.
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 11, 2008, 02:47:35 PM
Yup, the Messiah references just keep comin'.
Crucify him!!
Post by: doczinn on September 12, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
Post by: agricola on September 12, 2008, 10:07:44 AM
Post by: longeyes on September 12, 2008, 07:12:50 PM
Pilate was a pragmatist swept up in somebody else's story.
Post by: dogmush on September 12, 2008, 10:19:59 PM
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I presume it would be impolitic to point out that Pilate beat Jesus?
I agree,
As I recall the story, it didn't turn out all that well for Jesus personally. And it took a while to work out for his followers. Do the republicans have any lions?
Post by: Intune on September 13, 2008, 05:35:57 AM
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Do the republicans have any lions?
Pitbulls.
Lions got too expensive.
Post by: 86thecat on September 13, 2008, 09:53:25 PM
Post by: Stand_watie on September 15, 2008, 04:14:45 AM