Author Topic: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout  (Read 5896 times)

MicroBalrog

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,505
'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« on: December 10, 2008, 05:57:54 AM »
'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout

Post to have power to revoke $15 billion in loans. Congress negotiates with White House to resolve sticking points

By Julie Hirschfeld Davis
Associated Press

POSTED: 08:22 a.m. EST, Dec 09, 2008

WASHINGTON: Congressional Democrats and the White House worked to resolve their last disputes Monday over terms of a $15 billion bailout for U.S. automakers — complete with a ''car czar'' to oversee the industry's reinvention of itself.

The plan could come to a vote as early as Wednesday.

Top Democrats gave the White House their proposal for rushing short-term loans to Detroit's Big Three through a plan that requires that the industry remake itself to survive. The Bush administration had a cool initial response, saying the measure didn't do enough to ensure that only viable companies would get longer-term federal help. Negotiators worked into the night Monday to resolve differences.

President George W. Bush said it was ''hard to tell'' whether a deal was imminent because definite conditions must be met. ''These are important companies, but on the other hand, we just don't want to put good money after bad,'' he said in an interview with ABC's Nightline.

Despite optimism on both sides that Congress and the White House could reach a swift agreement on the measure, it was still a tough sell on Capitol Hill.

''While we take no satisfaction in loaning taxpayer money to these companies, we know it must be done,'' said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ''This is no blank check or blind hope.''

The bill puts a government overseer named by Bush — a kind of ''car czar'' — in charge of setting guidelines for an industrywide overhaul, with the power to revoke the loans if the carmakers aren't taking sufficient steps to reinvent themselves.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the restructuring would require tough concessions from management, labor, creditors and others.

''We call this the barbershop. Everybody's getting a haircut here,'' Pelosi said.

Tightening conditions

Still, the White House said a preliminary look at the draft didn't appear to contain strict-enough conditions to ensure that long-term financing would be available only to companies that could survive, according to officials who would comment on the continuing negotiations only on condition of anonymity.

The crux of the White House's concern is that there may not be enough clear, immediate protection for taxpayers if a company is not meeting its own promises for long-term viability. The latest proposal suggests Congress may have to get involved again in a few months and pass a law to force a company to stick to its plan — a potentially unwieldy political step.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the House Financial Services Committee chairman who is leading negotiations on the measure, said he was optimistic that the differences could be resolved.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., a key ally of the auto industry, said getting the roughly 15 Republicans needed to support the plan was an uphill battle.

Partisan disputes

Even sympathetic Republicans weren't ready to sign on. Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio has ''numerous concerns'' about the bill, including the strength of the taxpayer protections and the role of the so-called car czar, said spokesman Chris Paulitz.

There are lingering differences between the administration and Congress on details of the czar's role and responsibilities, essentially a proxy fight between the White House and Democrats over whether Bush or President-elect Barack Obama should have the final say on who runs the auto industry restructuring.

Democrats are pressing to allow the president to choose other people besides the czar to help oversee the bailout, while the White House wants just one person tapped by Bush to have control.

Republicans in Congress and the White House also are balking at a requirement Democrats included in their proposal that the carmakers drop their opposition to efforts by California and several other states to impose stricter emissions rules than the federal standard.

Pelosi is seeking that bar at the behest of environmentalists who are angry that money to bail out the auto industry will be drawn from a loan program that was meant to help the Detroit Three build greener vehicles that burn less gasoline.

That's just one of several restrictions the bill places on the automakers while they're receiving the loans.

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have said they need at least $14 billion combined to keep operating through March. Ford doesn't plan to take any funding.

GM vows to comply

A statement from GM said the company could abide by the plan's provisions.

''Millions of jobs, America's manufacturing base and future competitiveness hang in the balance and we urge quick passage of this bill,'' GM's statement said. ''We will abide by the conditions proposed in the bill and will continue our restructuring with great urgency.''

Among the requirements in the Democrats' draft proposal is one that the automakers getting federal help get rid of their corporate jets — which became a potent symbol of the industry's ineptitude when the Detroit Three chief executives used them for their initial trips to Washington to plead before Congress for government aid.

The automakers also would be subject to some of the same restrictions imposed on banks as part of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, including limits on executive compensation, a prohibition on paying dividends, and requirements that the government share in future profits and taxpayers be repaid before any other shareholders.

The special inspector general overseeing the Wall Street rescue also would keep tabs on the automaker bailout. The Senate on Monday confirmed Neil M. Barofsky, a federal prosecutor in New York, for that post.

The proposed automakers' bailout also gives the car czar say-so over any major business decisions by the companies while they're taking advantage of federal aid.
Bloomberg News contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON: Congressional Democrats and the White House worked to resolve their last disputes Monday over terms of a $15 billion bailout for U.S. automakers — complete with a ''car czar'' to oversee the industry's reinvention of itself.

The plan could come to a vote as early as Wednesday.

Top Democrats gave the White House their proposal for rushing short-term loans to Detroit's Big Three through a plan that requires that the industry remake itself to survive. The Bush administration had a cool initial response, saying the measure didn't do enough to ensure that only viable companies would get longer-term federal help. Negotiators worked into the night Monday to resolve differences.

President George W. Bush said it was ''hard to tell'' whether a deal was imminent because definite conditions must be met. ''These are important companies, but on the other hand, we just don't want to put good money after bad,'' he said in an interview with ABC's Nightline.

Despite optimism on both sides that Congress and the White House could reach a swift agreement on the measure, it was still a tough sell on Capitol Hill.

''While we take no satisfaction in loaning taxpayer money to these companies, we know it must be done,'' said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. ''This is no blank check or blind hope.''

The bill puts a government overseer named by Bush — a kind of ''car czar'' — in charge of setting guidelines for an industrywide overhaul, with the power to revoke the loans if the carmakers aren't taking sufficient steps to reinvent themselves.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said the restructuring would require tough concessions from management, labor, creditors and others.

''We call this the barbershop. Everybody's getting a haircut here,'' Pelosi said.

Tightening conditions

Still, the White House said a preliminary look at the draft didn't appear to contain strict-enough conditions to ensure that long-term financing would be available only to companies that could survive, according to officials who would comment on the continuing negotiations only on condition of anonymity.

The crux of the White House's concern is that there may not be enough clear, immediate protection for taxpayers if a company is not meeting its own promises for long-term viability. The latest proposal suggests Congress may have to get involved again in a few months and pass a law to force a company to stick to its plan — a potentially unwieldy political step.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the House Financial Services Committee chairman who is leading negotiations on the measure, said he was optimistic that the differences could be resolved.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., a key ally of the auto industry, said getting the roughly 15 Republicans needed to support the plan was an uphill battle.

Partisan disputes

Even sympathetic Republicans weren't ready to sign on. Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio has ''numerous concerns'' about the bill, including the strength of the taxpayer protections and the role of the so-called car czar, said spokesman Chris Paulitz.

There are lingering differences between the administration and Congress on details of the czar's role and responsibilities, essentially a proxy fight between the White House and Democrats over whether Bush or President-elect Barack Obama should have the final say on who runs the auto industry restructuring.

Democrats are pressing to allow the president to choose other people besides the czar to help oversee the bailout, while the White House wants just one person tapped by Bush to have control.

Republicans in Congress and the White House also are balking at a requirement Democrats included in their proposal that the carmakers drop their opposition to efforts by California and several other states to impose stricter emissions rules than the federal standard.

Pelosi is seeking that bar at the behest of environmentalists who are angry that money to bail out the auto industry will be drawn from a loan program that was meant to help the Detroit Three build greener vehicles that burn less gasoline.

That's just one of several restrictions the bill places on the automakers while they're receiving the loans.

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have said they need at least $14 billion combined to keep operating through March. Ford doesn't plan to take any funding.

GM vows to comply

A statement from GM said the company could abide by the plan's provisions.

''Millions of jobs, America's manufacturing base and future competitiveness hang in the balance and we urge quick passage of this bill,'' GM's statement said. ''We will abide by the conditions proposed in the bill and will continue our restructuring with great urgency.''

Among the requirements in the Democrats' draft proposal is one that the automakers getting federal help get rid of their corporate jets — which became a potent symbol of the industry's ineptitude when the Detroit Three chief executives used them for their initial trips to Washington to plead before Congress for government aid.

The automakers also would be subject to some of the same restrictions imposed on banks as part of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, including limits on executive compensation, a prohibition on paying dividends, and requirements that the government share in future profits and taxpayers be repaid before any other shareholders.

The special inspector general overseeing the Wall Street rescue also would keep tabs on the automaker bailout. The Senate on Monday confirmed Neil M. Barofsky, a federal prosecutor in New York, for that post.

The proposed automakers' bailout also gives the car czar say-so over any major business decisions by the companies while they're taking advantage of federal aid.

http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/35793994.html

Micro Sez The whole thing is a parody of itself by now.
Destroy The Enemy in Hand-to-Hand Combat.

"...tradition and custom becomes intertwined and are a strong coercion which directs the society upon fixed lines, and strangles liberty. " ~ William Graham Sumner

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,644
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 08:56:05 AM »
As long as the same auto company leadership (President, CEO, Board of Directors, etc.) remain at the helm, the course they steer will end up on the rocks.

( Of course, much the same can be said about Congress . . .  :mad: )
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

Standing Wolf

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,978
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 10:40:40 AM »
Quote
''We call this the barbershop. Everybody's getting a haircut here,'' Pelosi said.

Well, kind of. The sheep are being sheared, anyway.
No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.

Tallpine

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 23,172
  • Grumpy Old Grandpa
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 10:51:12 AM »
How convenient - the government deciding what kind of cars may be made, sold, and driven.   :rolleyes:

Remember how that worked out for the USSR ?   =|
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

Manedwolf

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,516
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 11:00:31 AM »
Yay! Add more big government bureaucracy! That'll make them able to adapt to market conditions quicker!

Honda and Toyota must be having huge parties in their boardrooms right now.

Racehorse

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 829
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 11:38:14 AM »
Why do they have to attach "czar" to everything? It drives me nuts.

Big Hairy Bee

  • friend
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 286
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 11:38:26 AM »

longeyes

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,405
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 11:59:36 AM »
Let's see.  We've had a war on cancer, drugs, and terror.  Just two left, I guess.  The War on Business.  And, of course, The War on The Individual.

Long live the Czar!!!
"Domari nolo."

Thug: What you lookin' at old man?
Walt Kowalski: Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have messed with? That's me.

Molon Labe.

Tallpine

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 23,172
  • Grumpy Old Grandpa
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 12:27:17 PM »
Not to mention the War on Poverty. :(

Funny, how when we fight something, we always get more of it  =|
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one. The road goes upward toward the light; but the laden traveller may never reach the end of it.  - Ursula Le Guin

Viking

  • ❤︎ Fuck around & find out ❤︎
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,207
  • Carnist Bloodmouth
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 12:29:03 PM »
How convenient - the government deciding what kind of cars may be made, sold, and driven.   :rolleyes:

Remember how that worked out for the USSR ?   =|
Not to mention East Germany...
“The modern world will not be punished. It is the punishment.” — Nicolás Gómez Dávila

Viking

  • ❤︎ Fuck around & find out ❤︎
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,207
  • Carnist Bloodmouth
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 12:31:05 PM »
Let's see.  We've had a war on cancer, drugs, and terror.  Just two left, I guess.  The War on Business.  And, of course, The War on The Individual.

Long live the Czar!!!
Don't forget The War On Guns...
“The modern world will not be punished. It is the punishment.” — Nicolás Gómez Dávila

Headless Thompson Gunner

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8,517
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 12:37:47 PM »
Why not cut out the middleman and just have Nancy Pelosi design and build all of our cars?  Surely that would work better than allowing the auto industry design and build cars.

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,778
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 12:55:47 PM »
Is everyone avoiding the word "nationalization"? 
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Manedwolf

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,516
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 12:56:59 PM »
Is everyone avoiding the word "nationalization"? 

The media is.

MicroBalrog

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,505
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 12:57:33 PM »
Is everyone avoiding the word "nationalization"? 

It's not nationalization unless the formal title of ownership passes to the government, remember?

You are a thoughtcriminal... tinfoilhatter, I mean.
Destroy The Enemy in Hand-to-Hand Combat.

"...tradition and custom becomes intertwined and are a strong coercion which directs the society upon fixed lines, and strangles liberty. " ~ William Graham Sumner

Jocassee

  • Buster Scruggs Respecter
  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,591
  • "First time?"
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2008, 02:05:34 PM »
It's nationalization. Great Britain, here we come!!
I shall not die alone, alone, but kin to all the powers,
As merry as the ancient sun and fighting like the flowers.

longeyes

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,405
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2008, 02:46:23 PM »
Quote
Don't forget The War On Guns...

Thanks, Viking, missed that obvious one.  Move to America, we need you.

"Domari nolo."

Thug: What you lookin' at old man?
Walt Kowalski: Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have messed with? That's me.

Molon Labe.

bk425

  • New Member
  • Posts: 51
    • Now's the time
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2008, 04:09:53 PM »
It's been a while since I was in econ101. But I'm pretty sure that back then (80's) this would have been called fascist.

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 04:17:14 PM »
Why is the next four years going to feel like the ending credits in the movie "Borat"?  :|

Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 04:23:36 PM »
Why not cut out the middleman and just have Nancy Pelosi design and build all of our cars?  Surely that would work better than allowing the auto industry design and build cars.

here you go... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B2eiXTTFr8M
Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

seeker_two

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,922
  • In short, most intelligence is false.
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 05:56:01 PM »
Let's see.  We've had a war on cancer, drugs, and terror.  Just two left, I guess.  The War on Business.  And, of course, The War on The Individual.

Long live the Czar!!!


Not to mention the War on Poverty. :(

Funny, how when we fight something, we always get more of it  =|

Don't forget The War On Guns...


Following this line of thinking.....maybe the War on Guns would be a GREAT idea....esp. if it means MORE guns....  =D
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

Don't care

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 486
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2008, 11:37:58 PM »
I'm wondering who would get the be the car czar. I can't say that the incoming Sec. of Commerce, Bill Richardson, would have any more insight than members of Congress.

I'm not endorsing the big three bailout nationalization, but if it's going to happen, perhaps someone with actual knowledge and experience with getting business out of trouble would be better to have to do the job.

Anyone have anything to comment upon Romney and his handling of the Olympics in SLC? Is Iacocca too old to take on the job? Anyone else come to mind?

longeyes

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,405
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2008, 01:47:01 AM »
Quote
'm not endorsing the big three bailout nationalization, but if it's going to happen, perhaps someone with actual knowledge and experience with getting business out of trouble would be better to have to do the job.

Why not just throw mega-bucks at the head honcho at Toyota? =D
"Domari nolo."

Thug: What you lookin' at old man?
Walt Kowalski: Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have messed with? That's me.

Molon Labe.

Viking

  • ❤︎ Fuck around & find out ❤︎
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,207
  • Carnist Bloodmouth
Re: 'Car czar' would oversee auto bailout
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2008, 05:12:38 AM »


Following this line of thinking.....maybe the War on Guns would be a GREAT idea....esp. if it means MORE guns....  =D

Mmmm, you mean rogue chemists and mechanical engineers and happy amateurs going together to form clandestine weapons factories all over the USA, making inexpensive submachine guns for the masses? =D
Hell, I'm in! I've always wanted to build Swedish K SMG's =D.
“The modern world will not be punished. It is the punishment.” — Nicolás Gómez Dávila