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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Brad Johnson on April 21, 2018, 06:37:22 PM
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Yeti Brands severs ties with NRA.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180421/florida-alert-yeti-drops-nra-foundation
Talk about being out of touch with your customer base. I'm sure RTIC is weeping in their cash register over it.
Brad
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Overpriced anyway. I saw a Yeti 5 gallon bucket thing at Costco the other day and it was like $40. I'll get a $3 Homer bucket.
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Was it Einstein that quipped that while the universe is finite, human stupidity is not?
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Yeah, but think of how many lives will be saved.
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Man, that's abominable!
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Good thing I just bought an Rtic gallon jug.
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Nastygram sent (in the politest of tones).
If they value virtue signalling over, I dunno, selling coolers, fine. There are plenty of alternatives on the market.
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Holy *expletive deleted*it. Just when you had bubba convinced you needed a $50K truck, $40K bassboat, $300 sunglasses, and an $800 cooler to catch a damn fish you go and dump him like that. WTvirtuesignalingF????
-ShadesofcrazyKenWildAlaska.
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there facebook is swamped with NRA members saying they will never buy another, i didn't see one congratulating
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I'd never heard of them before this. If I need a cooler, well, "whatever's cheap at Stuffmart".
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The Walmart knockoffs of a yeti look decent. Hard to screw up a plastic box full of foam.
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The Walmart knockoffs of a yeti look decent. Hard to screw up a plastic box full of foam.
But stoopid profitable if you've got a decent marketing department.
I hope this bites them in the ass, hard.
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I wonder who makes the Cabela's and other "Yeti-like" coolers?
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And now Rtic is posting pro 2nd amendment things on their Facebook page.
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
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May cooler heads prevail.
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Well, my financial life sucks, but hey, I like prep gear. Just bought a RTIC 45, next up is call them during business hours and tell them why. Probably call Yeti too.
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And now Rtic is posting pro 2nd amendment things on their Facebook page.
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
166k likes and 14k very-mostly positive comments on the Rtic page. I figure Yeti's social media monitoring crew will go into full damage control tomorrow morning, though to an overwhelming tide of negative sentiment. Maybe this will be the high-profile event to get a bunch of people's heads out that conservatives, especially gun owners, are a big un-vocal majority in this country.
Brad
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Aren't there some big outfitter stores that sell Yeti? Can we pressure them about this?
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Aren't there some big outfitter stores that sell Yeti? Can we pressure them about this?
Yup including places like Cabelas I bet
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Aren't there some big outfitter stores that sell Yeti? Can we pressure them about this?
Best way to do that is not buy Yeti from them. Underperforming shelf space will be quickly filled with something more profitable.
Brad
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https://cabelas.custhelp.com/app/ask
Dear Cabelas/Bass Pro
Very recently, Yeti brands has decided to spit in the face of sportsmen and sever ties with the NRA.
A groundswell of backlash against yeti is mounting.
Dump them as a vendor.
Rtic has come out in support of the 2nd amendment, and is more affordable than Yeti anyways.
Thank you.
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If Cabela's / Bass Pro has an even moderately intelligent marketing department, they'll be all over this. If they play their cards right, they could get positive results that would otherwise cost them well into the six figures range in advertising dollars.
I'm going to copy Jamis and send off a note. I'm going to also make a point of telling them I not only buy from them, but use their credit card as my primary form of payment for other purchases as well.
As a side note, it's kinda funny that all the hand wringing busy bodies have finally gotten to me. I've generally blown off this stuff in the past, as whatever started it generally fades away. The SJWs have been so active however, that they are now getting the unintended consequences of getting lazy people like me riled up enough to get off our asses and respond against them with more than grumbling.
They still haven't figured out it was them that got Trump elected.
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If Cabela's / Bass Pro has an even moderately intelligent marketing department, they'll be all over this. If they play their cards right, they could get positive results that would otherwise cost them well into the six figures range in advertising dollars.
I'm going to copy Jamis and send off a note. I'm going to also make a point of telling them I not only buy from them, but use their credit card as my primary form of payment for other purchases as well.
As a side note, it's kinda funny that all the hand wringing busy bodies have finally gotten to me. I've generally blown off this stuff in the past, as whatever started it generally fades away. The SJWs have been so active however, that they are now getting the unintended consequences of getting lazy people like me riled up enough to get off our asses and respond against them with more than grumbling.
They still haven't figured out it was them that got Trump elected.
I sent them a note as well. I love Cabela's, and wish they had a store near us. If the left wants to flex their corporate power, we ought to do the same.
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Man, that's abominable!
May cooler heads prevail.
I'll give you the recognition you deserve, Warren. =D :rofl:
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Request a catalog from Yeti - they have to pay for printing it.
Recycle it as soon as it arrives.
Their new HQ is in a brand new large building completed just recently not far from my home - given local prices, I suspect ANY cash drain will pinch them a bit.
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I've got a stainless yeti travel mug. If I didn't like it so much I would shoot some holes in it and send it to them or post the pics etc. it was free to me at least I didn't buy it.
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/yeti-ipo-canceled-1300-cooler-seller-cites-market-conditions
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I've got a stainless yeti travel mug. If I didn't like it so much I would shoot some holes in it and send it to them or post the pics etc. it was free to me at least I didn't buy it.
RTIC's stainless travel mugs are $10.
Mighty cheap to make a statement...
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Best way to do that is not buy Yeti from them. Underperforming shelf space will be quickly filled with something more profitable.
Brad
Not an option for me, as I don't have Yeti money to begin with.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/yeti-ipo-canceled-1300-cooler-seller-cites-market-conditions
I just want to point out that's from last month.
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RTIC's stainless travel mugs are $10.
Mighty cheap to make a statement...
My gallon jug from there was $26. Yeti wants another $100 for the same thing.
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I just want to point out that's from last month.
True, but I thought it was a little obscure for the shadenfreude thread.
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My gallon jug from there was $26. Yeti wants another $100 for the same thing.
We brought in some Pelican coolers at work, and tried to sell them. The boss had me print out a sign showing the comparison of the Pelican at 200-something, versus the much more expensive Yeti. People just laughed. I thought most people would know that a) there are high-end coolers, and b) they're in a whole different price range from what you get at K-Mart. I guess not so much.
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I will pay for quality, pretty ok with the $150 I dropped on the inbound cooler. The one that still hurts my feels is twenty years ago dropping $300 on a pelican rifle case. I still have it, I love it, but ow. It has wheels! :) It needs them.
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We brought in some Pelican coolers at work, and tried to sell them. The boss had me print out a sign showing the comparison of the Pelican at 200-something, versus the much more expensive Yeti. People just laughed. I thought most people would know that a) there are high-end coolers, and b) they're in a whole different price range from what you get at K-Mart. I guess not so much.
If you're looking at rectangular storage things, and Pelican is the more affordable choice, you need to step back and consider your life choices.
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Yeti issued a statement...
https://www.facebook.com/Yeti/photos/a.115182725943.132013.91454100943/10156095306920944/?type=3&theater
If it's the absolute facty truth then shame on NRA-ILA for the way it's been presented. However, I think NRA-ILA is politically and socially savvy enough to not go full lib-spin on it. I'd like to see the notification Yeti claims to have sent and see just how it's worded. I honestly can't see NRA-ILA handling it this way unless the the "marketing revision" was handled pretty poorly on Yet's end.
Brad
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Yeti issued a statement...
https://www.facebook.com/Yeti/photos/a.115182725943.132013.91454100943/10156095306920944/?type=3&theater
If it's the absolute facty truth then shame on NRA-ILA for the way it's been presented. However, I think NRA-ILA is politically and socially savvy enough to not go full lib-spin on it. I'd like to see the notification Yeti claims to have sent and see just how it's worded. I honestly can't see NRA-ILA handling it this way unless the the "marketing revision" was handled pretty poorly on Yet's end.
Brad
24/7 news cycle strikes again. Now I'm going to wait for more information. If the NRA really did pull an untruthful, "they did it because they hate guns" if it was in fact just a change in discount programs, I'm going to send the NRA a little missive.
Lying and truth-stretching is just as bad when "we" do it as when "they" do it. However, I'm going to wait a couple of days. I also can't believe that the NRA would be that amateurish on the PR front, but you never know.
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If I was guessing, I'd say that Yeti pulled their entity-direct discount/customization programs and "offered" for all the work to go straight through their regular channels, leaving NRA members ordering direct from Yeti's web site just like any Joe Blow off the street.
Brad
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All pretty much irrelevant if you're not easily swayed by brand names; every side-by-side independent test I've seen, Pelican, Orca and even Igloo Sportsman Series beat the crap out of Yeti for keeping ice frozen. Plus every Yeti's actual capacity was at least 10% under their number that seems intended to imply it's the capacity in quarts.
ETA: Ok, according to this one, the Yeti 65 is only 4 quarts short of stated capacity. Still lost to the RTIC, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WuoJn2pBdM
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If I was guessing, I'd say that Yeti pulled their entity-direct discount/customization programs and "offered" for all the work to go straight through their regular channels, leaving NRA members ordering direct from Yeti's web site just like any Joe Blow off the street.
Brad
If I were to venture a guess, Yeti had been a partner with the Friends of the NRA in order to provide customization and discounts for the "prizes" at the banquets. Likely it decided to end that "partnership" and, as you said, tell the NRA they can buy what they want off their website.
From the NRA's view, Yeti just dropped the Friends of the NRA as a "vendor" for them.
Yeti comes back with "they can still buy from us!" I do note Yeti says they were "ending outdated discount programs". Yeah... It sounds like the NRA is right that they were blindsided by this. Likely a lot of the Friends of the NRA were budgeted to buy those products at those discounts and Yeti just pulled them without any warning.
In this political climate the FotNRA had an understandable reaction. And Yeti is tone-deaf and is likely to continue to lose customers over a bone-headed move (that is, if this isn't just cover for someone who actually DID try to backstab the NRA.)
Additionally, I do note what is NOT said in the statement: Nothing about continuing to support the NRA. That's rather glaring in its omission...
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If I were to venture a guess, Yeti had been a partner with the Friends of the NRA in order to provide customization and discounts for the "prizes" at the banquets. Likely it decided to end that "partnership" and, as you said, tell the NRA they can buy what they want off their website.
From the NRA's view, Yeti just dropped the Friends of the NRA as a "vendor" for them.
Yeti comes back with "they can still buy from us!" I do note Yeti says they were "ending outdated discount programs". Yeah... It sounds like the NRA is right that they were blindsided by this. Likely a lot of the Friends of the NRA were budgeted to buy those products at those discounts and Yeti just pulled them without any warning.
In this political climate the FotNRA had an understandable reaction. And Yeti is tone-deaf and is likely to continue to lose customers over a bone-headed move (that is, if this isn't just cover for someone who actually DID try to backstab the NRA.)
Additionally, I do note what is NOT said in the statement: Nothing about continuing to support the NRA. That's rather glaring in its omission...
At a minimum, Yeti is very tone-deaf and didn't even think to get ahead of this story. In this political climate, you drop support for the NRA's charitable arm, and don't release a statement that it was purely a move based on the types of discounts offered? ;/
I don't buy it.
I think Yeti *expletive deleted*ed up, and is now being taken to the woodshed over it, and as a result is just backpedaling.
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I got an email back from a Cabela's drone that said, " I can't respond to your inquiry but will forward it to our leadership team."
I tend to agree that Yeti may be in backpedaling mode, but at the same time, before I get more riled up, I'm going to see what comes up in the back and forth. I just want to make sure that the NRA is not pulling an "Uncle Leo" from Seinfeld, where no matter what innocuous thing someone does, if it affects him, it's "anti-semite". I don't want to see the NRA fall into the "micro-aggression" barrel.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/29806/yeti-coolers-cuts-ties-nra-so-its-competitor-james-barrett
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At a minimum, Yeti is very tone-deaf and didn't even think to get ahead of this story.
It's not just failing to get ahead of it, but dragging days behind it; reeks of realizing too late that it wasn't going well for them and then having to dream something up in a hurry. Otherwise, why not just release exactly what they said? I'm sure something of this magnitude happens via email or snail mail, so they'd have the exact text; redact whatever non-public address it would be sent to, and any pricing information, and publish it. They could have done that within minutes of the story breaking.
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It's not just failing to get ahead of it, but dragging days behind it; reeks of realizing too late that it wasn't going well for them and then having to dream something up in a hurry. Otherwise, why not just release exactly what they said? I'm sure something of this magnitude happens via email or snail mail, so they'd have the exact text; redact whatever non-public address it would be sent to, and any pricing information, and publish it. They could have done that within minutes of the story breaking.
Well put.
To be clear, I don't expect Yeti, or any other company to be "pro" 2nd amendment. You make a product. In Yeti's case, their product is a status symbol among the types of people who are more likely to own a gun and belong to the NRA. It is primarily marketed to hunters and fishermen.
A simple press release at the time, if their intentions of cutting ties with the NRA were a purely business-based decision, would have kept them out of the fire.
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Or just let whatever contract expire and not renew, with a press release to the effect of "We failed to generate the sales we were hoping for, but we enjoyed working with the NRA, and if there are mutually beneficial opportunities in the future, we would be open to exploring those."
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Plot thickens
Yeti I think stepped on their crank.
https://www.statesman.com/business/nra-lobbyist-claims-yeti-engaging-damage-control/NLR4zDFtcrDMZQ3VnM34jI/
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Plot thickens
Yeti I think stepped on their crank.
https://www.statesman.com/business/nra-lobbyist-claims-yeti-engaging-damage-control/NLR4zDFtcrDMZQ3VnM34jI/
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Libtards got cranks?
I'm inclined to accept the NRA's version of events.
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Yeti severed ties with the NRA and is now engaging in damage control after a backlash from many of its customers,” she told Florida Politics. “In early March, Yeti refused to place a previously negotiated order from (the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action), citing ‘recent events’ as the reason – a clear reference to the tragedy in Parkland, Florida. Yeti then delivered notice to the NRA Foundation that it was terminating a 7 year agreement and demanded that the NRA remove the Yeti name and logo from all NRA digital assets, as well as refrain from using any Yeti trademarks in future print material. While Yeti is trying to spin the story otherwise, those are the facts.”
"Recent events" and "Remove Yeti logo" would put things squarely back in Yeti's court for an explanation. If you're not severing ties, but merely ending a discount program, why would you insist on scrubbing your name? That's free advertising.
I think Yeti was making a lot of inroads into the Patagonia/REI type crowd, and maybe thought that demographic would buy more of their product. That enviro crowd might dress like they have more dough to spend, but it's the grubby looking outdoorsmen in jeans and a tshirt that are buying all those $70K Platinum F150s.
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The real butt burner is that Joe six-pack funds the REI LLBean Patagonia crowd through the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition, as well as license fees. Otherwise there would be no great outdoors for them to try to save from the depredations of rednecks.
Who in fairness, I am also pissed at. We go fishing in the nation forest, fish is optional, but for sure going to fill a large trashbag with litter.
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I'm inclined to accept the NRA's version of events.
Same. Yeti's replies are coming in broad generalizations. NRA comms are giving specifics. That says a lot.
Brad
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<Bunch of a post that was giving Yeti the benefit of the doubt>(that is, if this isn't just cover for someone who actually DID try to backstab the NRA.)
Additionally, I do note what is NOT said in the statement: Nothing about continuing to support the NRA. That's rather glaring in its omission...
Looks like cynicism wins out!
Yeti is acting evasive, NRA is giving specifics. The incentive for the NRA to be lying is vanishingly small (save a few thousand $$$ and give up credibility) and the incentive for Yeti to by lying is MASSIVE (avoid losing thousands of paying customers).
Yeti appears to be a duplicitous, lying, backstabbing traitor and now is trying to pretend they aren't. I hope this hurts them badly.
Additionally, I hope they come crawling back to the NRA and are left to drift in the wind. Pour encourager les autres.
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"Recent events" and "Remove Yeti logo" would put things squarely back in Yeti's court for an explanation. If you're not severing ties, but merely ending a discount program, why would you insist on scrubbing your name? That's free advertising.
I think Yeti was making a lot of inroads into the Patagonia/REI type crowd, and maybe thought that demographic would buy more of their product. That enviro crowd might dress like they have more dough to spend, but it's the grubby looking outdoorsmen in jeans and a tshirt that are buying all those $70K Platinum F150s.
I've never seen a Yeti sticker on a prius, but plenty of them on the back of an F150.
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I've never seen a Yeti sticker on a prius, but plenty of them on the back of an F150.
I have seen a lot of SJW types with Yeti stainless steel mugs.
I wonder what's the profit margin on those mugs versus their massive coolers?....
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Looks like cynicism wins out!
Yeti is acting evasive, NRA is giving specifics. The incentive for the NRA to be lying is vanishingly small (save a few thousand $$$ and give up credibility) and the incentive for Yeti to by lying is MASSIVE (avoid losing thousands of paying customers).
Yeti appears to be a duplicitous, lying, backstabbing traitor and now is trying to pretend they aren't. I hope this hurts them badly.
Additionally, I hope they come crawling back to the NRA and are left to drift in the wind. Pour encourager les autres.
I hope it hurts them just badly enough that they patch things up with the NRA, and try to keep things status quo ante. And since RTIC has taken a stand for the 2A, I hope it helps them, so we end up with two companies supporting the NRA.
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I hope it hurts them just badly enough that they patch things up with the NRA, and try to keep things status quo ante. And since RTIC has taken a stand for the 2A, I hope it helps them, so we end up with two companies supporting the NRA.
Pelican also stepped up. ($10 to the NRA with every purchase)
It's funny- we're doing the first big family camping trip now that our littlest one is old enough and I was just looking for a large, sturdy cooler.
Guess who is getting my business and who is not?
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Pelican also stepped up. ($10 to the NRA with every purchase)
It's funny- we're doing the first big family camping trip now that our littlest one is old enough and I was just looking for a large, sturdy cooler.
Guess who is getting my business and who is not?
Coleman?
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Coleman?
Lol. They already got my business for the smaller cooler that will hold drinks and whatnot.
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Looks like cynicism wins out!
Yeti is acting evasive, NRA is giving specifics. The incentive for the NRA to be lying is vanishingly small (save a few thousand $$$ and give up credibility) and the incentive for Yeti to by lying is MASSIVE (avoid losing thousands of paying customers).
Yeti appears to be a duplicitous, lying, backstabbing traitor and now is trying to pretend they aren't. I hope this hurts them badly. . . .
YETI HAS A HISTORY OF THIS!!!
Here's a link to a story from March 2017 about YETI banning licensed concealed carry in its flagship store in Austin, TX.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/27/yeti-flagship-store-bars-concealed-open-carriers-backtracks/ (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/27/yeti-flagship-store-bars-concealed-open-carriers-backtracks/)
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YETI HAS A HISTORY OF THIS!!!
Here's a link to a story from March 2017 about YETI banning licensed concealed carry in its flagship store in Austin, TX.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/27/yeti-flagship-store-bars-concealed-open-carriers-backtracks/ (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/27/yeti-flagship-store-bars-concealed-open-carriers-backtracks/)
And they didn't learn a lesson, it seems. They will, now, but the costs will be MUCH higher...
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(https://i.imgur.com/iLLn82C.jpg)
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I stopped by the Boise Cabela's yesterday. Not that Cabela's has announced anything one way or the other regarding having a position or not, but the Yeti coolers were very predominantly displayed near the front, and visually put everything else in the background.
Not that they had much of a selection of other coolers, even their own, which I thought was odd. Even if they (perhaps wisely) choose to stay out of things, it seems like making something (like their own stuff) other than the Yetis the eye candy of that department would potentially be good for business.
I won't like to it because it's full of pop ups and stuff if you don''t have a blocker, but The Blaze had a story on other companies taking advantage of Yeti's blunder. What I found interesting was in the comments section. I have no idea if it's true, but a commenter said that Yeti was bought out by some conglomerate that is also big into health care. Potential smoking gun if true, given how it appears the health care industry feels about guns.
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Sold to Cortec Group Management in 2012.
Earlier this year they were talking IPO. It was put on hold a month or so back. Five bucks says it was to see how their little marketing strategy adjustment was going to play out, and to let memories dull and dust settle over any fallout.
Brad
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If Yeti wanted to drop NRA support and not get in trouble with gun owners, they could have announced discounts or donations for 2nd Amendment foundation or Gun Owners of America instead.
I still think some of this is the NRA pushing for more industry donations/money, but we will see. Sounds like Yeti isn't really pro-gun rights.
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If Yeti wanted to drop NRA support and not get in trouble with gun owners, they could have announced discounts or donations for 2nd Amendment foundation
That should be safe; they'll never have to give the discount to anyone but Gottlieb because I don't think even the other "board members" are aware they've been drafted into SAF yet.
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Just an update... to notice there has been no update.
After the NRA came back with more specifics, Yeti appears to have gone silent. No response to the NRA rebuttal.
They appear to be hoping their lying press release will spare them enough pain and just hope this all blows over.
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Just an update... to notice there has been no update.
After the NRA came back with more specifics, Yeti appears to have gone silent. No response to the NRA rebuttal.
They appear to be hoping their lying press release will spare them enough pain and just hope this all blows over.
Agreed. And the timing of not going public after planning to go public is interesting.
Certainly suggests a fear that your new stock would possibly tank after you spit in the face of your primary customer base.
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Agreed. And the timing of not going public after planning to go public is interesting.
Certainly suggests a fear that your new stock would possibly tank after you spit in the face of your primary customer base.
This!!
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Sold to Cortec Group Management in 2012.
Coretec Group Inc. currently trading at a whopping 9.5 cents per share. They were at 36 cents a year ago.
Brad
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I don't know how they got my e-mail address (maybe from the NSSF, since I attended the SHOT Show in January), but for the past week or ten days I've been getting at least one e-mail per day from Yeti, pushing their wares. They must know they stepped in it, but they may not realize yet how deep it is.
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NRA sticker looks good on my RTIC.
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Another tales from the gun show, I had a table across from the yeti dealer. The Maytag repairman gets more action. Well, unless you count people stopping to tell you your brand sucks counts as a solid sales lead. I was all [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] >:D :rofl:
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Another tales from the gun show, I had a table across from the yeti dealer. The Maytag repairman gets more action. Well, unless you count people stopping to tell you your brand sucks counts as a solid sales lead. I was all [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] >:D :rofl:
Heh. That's almost HK-like. "We hate you - buy our stuff!". :lol:
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Another tales from the gun show, I had a table across from the yeti dealer. The Maytag repairman gets more action. Well, unless you count people stopping to tell you your brand sucks counts as a solid sales lead. I was all [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] >:D :rofl:
Likes this. I hope Yeti guy can find something else to deal in.
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Worst part is people were happy to tell me, unsolicited, how much yeti sucked. While some of us were meh the mehs were light on the ground. I am not sure if he sold anything but he homed in on the NRA non traditionals, women, minorities and a few fudds.
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Another tales from the gun show, I had a table across from the yeti dealer. The Maytag repairman gets more action. Well, unless you count people stopping to tell you your brand sucks counts as a solid sales lead. I was all [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] >:D :rofl:
Should have found someone wanting to meaningfully destroy a Yeti, cut it off about 4" deep and brought it, a bag of kitty litter and a well-filled cat to the show.