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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on June 13, 2019, 06:31:21 PM
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I thought I saw this mentioned elsewhere on APS, but couldn't find it. In the case of Gibson Bakery vs Oberlin College, the jury awarded the maximum allowable punitive penalty, bringing the total judgement against Oberlin to $33 million. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of SJW racists.
I didn't know until I read about it at the link, but apparently the Gibson family would have settled for a written apology. They didn't sue until the university refused and doubled down.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/06/13/wow-jury-awards-family-business-oberlin-students-tried-to-destroy-maximum-damages-totaling-33-million/
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I doubt the Gibson family will ever see a dime of it
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After the compensatory award ($11 million), Oberlin's reps were complaining that the college is "cash poor" ... until folks did some digging and found out that Oberlin has close to $900 million in endowments.
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Good for the Gibson’s. Oberlin can suck it.
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Where’s the Simpsons “ha ha” guy?
Seems like America is waking up. Hope it’s not too late.
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According to reports I read, the Jury awarded $33M in punitive damages, in addition to thr $11M in compensatory, for a total of over $44M, BUT, Ohio law limits the punitive in MOST circumstances so the judge is likely to lower that amount to a total of around $33M.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
The jury also decided that the Gibsons were to be awarded attorney's fees, paid by Oberlin. That's possibly another $10M.
So the final cost to Oberlin for slandering a local business as racist is, at minimum, $33M and could be as high as $55M.
Hubris. If they'd have studied the western canon, they might have recognized Nemesis coming soon after.
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The jury sent a clear message that the truth matters, and so do the reputations and lives of people targeted by false accusations, particularly when those false accusations are spread by powerful institutions.
High and noble words from the cited article. I shall sleep a little better this evening.
Terry
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But, but ... students are like customers. They're always right.
Even when they're wrong.
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Well, that's a sub-bit of amusement for me... Oberlin and its student goon squad will probably get what they wanted after all: the closure of that restaurant.
I mean, like, would you keep a little business like that going after you pocket a couple of $mil?
Hey, Bimini, here I come. What are beachfront condos near the volleyball courts going for nowadays?
Terry
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Good.
Too bad the college admins who did this won't have it come out of their pockets though.
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Good.
Too bad the college admins who did this won't have it come out of their pockets though.
The bad part appears to be that Oberlin administrators remains steadfast in their defense of the faculty and staff that actually pushed the students into protest mode, so they have learned nothing and may do this again, but at least one of their victims will be justly compensated.
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Good.
Too bad the college admins who did this won't have it come out of their pockets though.
But assuming the penalty actually gets paid, if they continue to do things that puts Oberlin in liability, that college will eventually fire them or run out of money.
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Looks like they've been sanitizing their FB page. Shows 400 comments on their latest post but only one is currently viewable.
Brad
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Looks like they've been sanitizing their FB page. Shows 400 comments on their latest post but only one is currently viewable.
"They" being ...? Oberlin College? Gibson's Bakery? The Harlem Globetrotters?
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The bad part appears to be that Oberlin administrators remains steadfast in their defense of the faculty and staff that actually pushed the students into protest mode, so they have learned nothing and may do this again, but at least one of their victims will be justly compensated.
ISR
"Intransigent Self Righteousness."
I sure hope the jurors all have CCW permits.
Terry, 230RN
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"They" being ...? Oberlin College? Gibson's Bakery? The Harlem Globetrotters?
Oberlin.
Brad
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I live in the adjacent township, and know the Gibsons well.(my waistline can witness to the awesomeness that is their donuts and fresh croissants.) This is a huge win regardless of how the appeals play out. I hope they get enough to retire, the College ceasing business has hurt them bad. Its almost pointless for them to go forward with the college actively hostile to them.
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Hopefully the school has to shut down and sell its campus.
Preferably to a Christian organization that will turn it into a Bible College.
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Hopefully the school has to shut down and sell its campus.
Preferably to a Christian organization that will turn it into a Bible College.
Doubt it, its private, big foundation/endowment and a lot of famous people graduated/went there. I see the irony in it becoming a bible college, funny that Oberlin was formed by 2 Presbyterian professors.
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How many times has a big liberal organization ever backed down and admitted they were wrong?
Doubling down didn't work so lets triple down!
Before anyone says anything, yes I know that often applies to the right as well.
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Doubt it, its private, big foundation/endowment and a lot of famous people graduated/went there. I see the irony in it becoming a bible college, funny that Oberlin was formed by 2 Presbyterian professors.
The majority of our oldest educational institutions and hospitals were formed by Christians.
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Hopefully the school has to shut down and sell its campus.
Preferably to a Christian organization that will turn it into a Bible College.
Ironically, since that's how it started.
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What? Christians founding universities? Weird.
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What? Christians founding universities? Weird.
Do Jesuits count as Christian? ;) :angel:
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Do Jesuits count as Christian? ;) :angel:
Only if they follow the teachings of Pope Buttigieg and Primate Kimmel.
(That's primate in both senses.)
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I live in the adjacent township, and know the Gibsons well.(my waistline can witness to the awesomeness that is their donuts and fresh croissants.) This is a huge win regardless of how the appeals play out. I hope they get enough to retire, the College ceasing business has hurt them bad. Its almost pointless for them to go forward with the college actively hostile to them.
With the amount of the award, I'd hope they'd relocate to continue to serve the town and purposely leave the original location vacant with a sign indicating it was the original site of Gibsons for 100+ years, closed because of libel by the college and its students.
But they are probably more forgiving.
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It would be ironically amusing if the Gibson's closed up their business and had someone turn it into a Dunkin' Donuts or Krispy Kreme donut emporium.
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It would be ironically amusing if the Gibson's closed up their business and had someone turn it into a Dunkin' Donuts or Krispy Kreme donut emporium.
Chik-fil-A
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Chik-fil-A
That would work ...
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I have a sneaking hunch that any outfit which has been tainted / poisoned by any taint of conservatism would not do well in that area.
I like (and was going to suggest) the idea of turning the building and storefront into a permanent monument against dog-packing hyper liberalism, with names named and sins enumerated.
I hate dog packs, but I hate human packs even more.
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I'm already hearing the bleating that the verdict was unfair because "there wasn't a single african-american on the jury"....
SMOD can't come soon enough.
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I have a sneaking hunch that any outfit which has been tainted / poisoned by any taint of conservatism would not do well in that area.
I like (and was going to suggest) the idea of turning the building and storefront into a permanent monument against dog-packing hyper liberalism, with names named and sins enumerated.
I hate dog packs, but I hate human packs even more.
I think Chik-fil-a shows that isn't true. If it is just conservatives keeping them busy, there are a whole lot more conservatives than I thought. IMO, liberals talk about boycotts and such, but don't follow through all that much.
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Oberlin College and Raimondo were not “held liable for the independent actions of their students.” Rather, the defendants were held liable for their own conduct in aiding and abetting the publication of libelous documents, interference with business, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Let me repeat, it was the college’s and Raimondo’s own conduct that was at issue before the jury.
"Defendants"
After court smackdown, Oberlin College goes into CYA mode by issuing FAQ that’s total BS
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/06/20/after-court-smackdown-oberlin-college-goes-into-cya-mode-by-issuing-faq-thats-total-bs/
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Thread necro: Oberlin finally pays
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oberlin-college-pays-bakery-called-racist-36-million-years-long-appeal-defamation-lawsuit
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But, but but but but....
THAT'S RACIST!
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My coffee table is racist.
From the comments:
knightnblu
9 hours ago
This is how the left runs over people. They think nothing of the truth, only how to best cancel their target. Nice to see the little guy win for a change.
Amen. Let that message get out to the real world. I don't think most people see that.
I was so happy to hear of this victory; moreso that the award has actually been disbursed.
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Interestingly, I just saw an interview with the owners and their lawyer. They said that the students involved actually apologized, but it was the university and faculty that were doubling down on the doubling down. That's really telling to me, because usually it's the "adults" at a university that have to eventually try and calm down the students.
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Interestingly, I just saw an interview with the owners and their lawyer. They said that the students involved actually apologized, but it was the university and faculty that were doubling down on the doubling down. That's really telling to me, because usually it's the "adults" at a university that have to eventually try and calm down the students.
Maybe that was before the radical students became the faculty, and started seeing themselves as commie revolutionary cadre, and nothing else.
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I noticed what seemed to be a deliberate avoidance of the name of the former Vice President who did most of the flame-fanning:
Vice President and Dean of Students Meredith Raimondo
"Nothing worse than high-powered self-righteousness," Terry said self-righteously, but with no real power.
Terry, 230RN
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Ms. Raimondo is no longer associated with Oberlin:
https://oberlinreview.org/25680/news/former-dos-meredith-raimondo-leaves-oberlin/
Typical woke activist move -- set the place on fire and then unass the area of operations.
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Ms. Raimondo is no longer associated with Oberlin:
https://oberlinreview.org/25680/news/former-dos-meredith-raimondo-leaves-oberlin/
Typical woke activist move -- set the place on fire and then unass the area of operations.
From the picture may want to put Ms. in quotes
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From the picture may want to put Ms. in quotes.
No, just have a "barf bag" handy. [barf]
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No, just have a "barf bag" handy. [barf]
What, you didn't think Ms. Raimondo represents a vision of feminine pulchritude?
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What, you didn't think Ms. Raimondo represents a vision of feminine pulchritude?
Even beer goggles won't help.
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Watch it, folks... attacking a party based on physical characteristics. High schoolish?
Yeah, I mentioned "former," Hawkmoon. Funny how that link of yours is so full of buzzwords.
From that link:
“I am really passionate about doing leadership work in the field of student affairs, because of my interest in cultivating holistic learning environments where students can thrive,”"
Translation: "Cell."
“Oberlin is a very special place — at its best, the model for what an engaged learning community can be,” Raimondo wrote."
Translation: "Cell"
So she's moving to Oglethorpe University in Brookhaven, Georgia, north of Atlanta.
Look out Brookhaven.
Look out Atlanta.
Look out small businesses. Lawyer up now. Install surveillance toys now.
SIDEBAR:
Amusing, from:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/punitive-damage-verdict-against-oberlin-college-was-like-a-seismic-wave-moving-quickly-through-the-courtroom/
"What was surprising in some regards was why the jury awarded such a high amount. The punitive damages law in Ohio requires “malice” to be at play with the defendants, meaning they had a “reckless disregard” for the truth. This was explained to the jury in great detail by the judge, and everyone in the courtroom was somewhat surprised that the jury came back with a verdict saying that, not only did Oberlin College libel and defame this small business and family, they did so in a manner that was intentional."
Terry, 230RN
REF (For amusement only):
https://www.gkgigs.com/list-of-blue-states-and-red-states/
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But wait, there's more
Oberlin suing 4 insurance companies for not covering the $37 million settlement
Oberlin College has sued four of its insurance providers to make them cover the multimillion-dollar judgment that Gibson's Bakery won against the school in 2019 over false claims of racism.
The wealthy liberal arts college in northern Ohio filed a suit in April against four insurance companies, saying they wrongfully refused 'to honor promises they made in their respective policies to protect' the school.
Oberlin seeks the money to cover the $36.6 million it paid out last year to Gibson's Bakery.
[popcorn]
Oberlin College in ANOTHER legal battle over defaming bakery: Woke school now sues insurance companies for refusing to cover $37 million it had to pay family business over false racism claims
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12385157/Oberlin-College-legal-battle-defaming-bakery-Woke-school-sues-insurance-false-racism-claims.html
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Seems to me that there would be exclusions in the policy regarding intentional bad actions on the part of the college or its employees.
I wonder if they're going to try to claim that no bad actions occurred, and that the insurance payout was an unjust levying of judgement based on racism and blah blah blah.
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Seems to me that there would be exclusions in the policy regarding intentional bad actions on the part of the college or its employees.
I wonder if they're going to try to claim that no bad actions occurred, and that the insurance payout was an unjust levying of judgement based on racism and blah blah blah.
I hope Oberlin ends up on the hook for the insurance company's legal fees in these lawsuits as well.
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Sounds like Oberlin didn't hire a woke insurance company. Too bad.
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Sounds like Oberlin didn't hire a woke insurance company. Too bad.
LOL over that one. You think all my hints about how stupid wokemanship is are taking effect?
...Annnnd, insurance companies are in the business of assessing probabilities and liabilities and are probably realistic enough to reject or at least soft-pedal wokemanship.
The excesses of the "woke" population are probably important actuarial considerations.
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Seems to me that there would be exclusions in the policy regarding intentional bad actions on the part of the college or its employees.
I wonder if they're going to try to claim that no bad actions occurred, and that the insurance payout was an unjust levying of judgement based on racism and blah blah blah.
MillCreek to the white multicolor curtesy phone please.
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Sounds like Oberlin didn't hire a woke insurance company. Too bad.
Even if they had hired a woke insurance company, I'm sure that once Oberlin presented them with the bill that company would have become hard core conservative.
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But wait, there's more
Oberlin suing 4 insurance companies for not covering the $37 million settlement
[popcorn]
Oberlin College in ANOTHER legal battle over defaming bakery: Woke school now sues insurance companies for refusing to cover $37 million it had to pay family business over false racism claims
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12385157/Oberlin-College-legal-battle-defaming-bakery-Woke-school-sues-insurance-false-racism-claims.html
Sounds like CYA to me. That or they can't stand the idea of dipping into their precious endowment funds.