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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2014, 04:15:16 PM »
^^^ Unless it is someone to which your disclosure is privileged: your spouse, your therapist, your clergy, etc.  Just make real certain that there is indeed a legally-defined disclosure protection privilege.

There is no way to enforce that so-called confidentiality priviledge  :mad:

At least for clergy.  I know because I tried to get something done about it after the fact.  ;/
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2014, 04:17:36 PM »
There is no way to enforce that so-called confidentiality priviledge  :mad:

At least for clergy.  I know because I tried to get something done about it after the fact.  ;/

yup  while a wife can't be forced to testify they often volunteer  eagerly
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2014, 05:17:54 PM »
I think I've put this up before, but it could probably use another airing.

http://www.virginialegaldefense.com/tempname/LetterToCops.pdf

He counsels very strongly that you should be prepared both emotionally andf financially to be locked up for up to 96 hours if you go that route.  He does not suggest that will normally be the case. but that it may be and you need to accept that as opposed to waiving your rights shortly after the door bangs shut behind you in the hopes you will be let out after you have changed your mind and spilled your guts.  He also counsels setting up a phone tree of sorts so that the first person you leave a voice mail message with (possibly your one and only free phone call) will start getting folks together to donate bail money and to start folks calling him to remind him you are in the pokey.

He says that if you cannot afford to be locked up for a few days then consider just how much you can say and then stop talking that will convince the cops to let you go.  And to call him ASAP anyway.

He and I disagree on whether making statements such as identifying the person(s) you allege are the assailants, wher evidence that is not in plain sight may be found (unser which bush or in what garbage can), and who you believe were witnesses are covered in the "Shut your mouth" instruction.  He says "say nothing" means just that; I suggest that some information given at the scene can actually be helpful to you as well as the cops.

All of the above, of course, is worth exactly what you paid to read it.

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2014, 10:37:17 PM »
There is no way to enforce that so-called confidentiality priviledge  :mad:

At least for clergy.  I know because I tried to get something done about it after the fact.  ;/

If it is a therapist or some other professional, they can be sued for breaching confidentiality and face some pretty significant damages, not to mention loss of license.
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2014, 10:39:27 PM »
yup  while a wife can't be forced to testify they often volunteer  eagerly

In most states, they can't testify without the consent of the husband.  There are some exceptions.
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2014, 07:55:38 AM »
If it is a therapist or some other professional, they can be sued for breaching confidentiality and face some pretty significant damages, not to mention loss of license.

Spending a several years all wound up in a lawsuit is not conducive to healing your family.

This was a preacher so good luck with a jury ....  =|
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2014, 08:25:05 AM »
Spending a several years all wound up in a lawsuit is not conducive to healing your family.

This was a preacher so good luck with a jury ....  =|

I agree.  Therapists and doctors that blab aren't as sympathetic and I can tell you that the state licensing board doesn't have any sympathy for this. 
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2014, 10:21:26 AM »
I agree.  Therapists and doctors that blab aren't as sympathetic and I can tell you that the state licensing board doesn't have any sympathy for this. 

But just about anybody can become "clergy" and there is on oversight unless the denomination does it - which in this case not.  Neither they nor local lay leaders would touch anything for fear of organazational liability.
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2014, 11:07:28 AM »
Hmmmmm, take the advice of Ned, SteveS, and Chris; who are licensed, practicing attorneys (one's even a magistrate) or C&SD who has had several run-ins with the law, mostly on the wrong side, including several/many arrests.


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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2014, 11:30:14 AM »
I guess if involved in a shooting, one could just request the usual 48 hours allowed for cops to prepare a statement   :angel:
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2014, 06:46:47 PM »
For discussion, I thought this was a good example of when someone thinks they "know the law" or are somehow smart enough to control the conversation. First article is from Fox News, second one is from a paper local to the incident, that has the police officer's interview:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/21/university-california-santa-barbara-feminist-professor-charged-in-confrontation/

http://www.independent.com/news/2014/mar/21/ucsb-professor-charged-theft-and-battery-after-con/
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« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2014, 07:18:00 PM »
I don't think she thought about real law. She's one of the I don't like it it must be illegal genre. Often the educators are too smart for their own good

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2014, 09:22:30 PM »
Hmmmmm, take the advice of Ned, SteveS, and Chris; who are licensed, practicing attorneys (one's even a magistrate) or C&SD who has had several run-ins with the law, mostly on the wrong side, including several/many arrests.


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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2014, 11:13:33 AM »
I have sometimes thought that, if I ever really had to shoot a home invader, that afterward I would call 911 and say:

"Someone has broken into my house.  He seems to have fallen down and hurt himself, and needs an ambulance."

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2014, 12:03:04 PM »
This is my advice to people, too.

In my state, Michigan, it is important to remember that it is illegal to lie to the police.  Therefore, you are better off saying as little as possible and being very careful how you answer any questions.

Can you provide a citation to support this?
I searched the MCL and couldn't anything to this effect.

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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2014, 12:52:59 PM »
I don't think she thought about real law. She's one of the I don't like it it must be illegal genre. Often the educators are too smart for their own good

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Yeah, that was my point. Sometimes people are (or in this case think they are) too smart for their own good, and that was a perfect example to me of when someone should shut up and call a lawyer. Though she's an idiot and I hope they don't go easy on her.
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2014, 09:58:20 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/21/university-california-santa-barbara-feminist-professor-charged-in-confrontation/

http://www.independent.com/news/2014/mar/21/ucsb-professor-charged-theft-and-battery-after-con/

My feewiings are the law.  Your rights be damned.

Also yes, The porno (yuck, seriously?!?!) instructor should have lawyered up.  What they have now is a confession and she pretty much corroborated the young girls stories.

 
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2014, 10:22:26 PM »
My feewiings are the law.  Your rights be damned.

Also yes, The porno (yuck, seriously?!?!) instructor should have lawyered up.  What they have now is a confession and she pretty much corroborated the young girls stories.

 


From reading the article it certainly sounds like we could honestly do without the witch in this world. She sounds like a complete waste of oxygen.

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2014, 08:07:55 AM »
Can you provide a citation to support this?
I searched the MCL and couldn't anything to this effect.

Must have read right over it.

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767A.9 Knowingly making false statement as perjury; penalty; neglect or refusal to comply with subpoena as contempt; determination that witness has purged himself or herself of contempt; commutation of sentence.

Sec. 9.

(1) A person who makes a false statement under oath in an examination conducted under this chapter knowing the statement is false is guilty of perjury punishable as follows:

(a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), by imprisonment for not more than 15 years.

(b) If the false statement was made during the investigation of a crime punishable by imprisonment for life, by imprisonment for life or for any term of years.


Ouch!  That's harsh.

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #69 on: March 23, 2014, 08:33:25 AM »
My feewiings are the law.  Your rights be damned.

Also yes, The porno (yuck, seriously?!?!) instructor should have lawyered up.  What they have now is a confession and she pretty much corroborated the young girls stories.

 


I'm as sex positive as the next guy....but if I found out either of my chillins was taking pornography how-to classes I might lose my mind.
If you can't figure out how to *expletive deleted*ck and act like you enjoy it, wasting money on a college course won't solve that...

And remeber this when these baristas at Starbucks complain about not getting jobs with their black women's pornography studies degrees.
Wtf.
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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2014, 02:29:33 PM »
I'm as sex positive as the next guy....but if I found out either of my chillins was taking pornography how-to classes I might lose my mind.
If you can't figure out how to *expletive deleted* and act like you enjoy it, wasting money on a college course won't solve that...

And remeber this when these baristas at Starbucks complain about not getting jobs with their black women's pornography studies degrees.
Wtf.

She's a feminist; most likely the porno classes aren't how-tos, but "why porno is degrading to women."

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Re: Don't Talk to the Police
« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2014, 06:58:06 PM »
Can you provide a citation to support this?
I searched the MCL and couldn't anything to this effect.



MCL 750.479c

The language is fairly broad and I have seen this law used quite a bit.
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« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2014, 07:10:50 PM »
Around here lie substantively and it's obstruction

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