FBI recommends no charges for Hillary

[dogmush]

Just watched a live stream of a press conference with the Director of the FBI concerning Clinton's e-mail servers.  They found that hundreds of emails were classified at the time that they were sent.  Several were Top Secret.  The Director said that given that it was widely known that she used a private e-mail, and that she accessed that e-mail from overseas it's possible hostile actors had compromised her servers*. He said some pretty harsh things about what the people involved should have known, and the general security culture at State.

He also said that in reviewing similar cases of stupidly (my adjective) leaked classified material they don't normally prosecute unless there is evidence of willful release, or anti-american ideas (that one is his adjective).  Which as much as it's a bitter pill, I can kinda see.  I can't think of a flag officer that was actually prosecuted for releasing classified data as opposed to admin sanctions and early retirement.

I think for people that aren't already firmly in the "gonna vote "d" no matter what" camp this raises some very real questions about Hillary's judgement, and that of the people she surrounds herself with.  I also think that State may very well find itself not getting the info it's used to getting from other agencies for a long time.

*Given that a whole bunch of her e-mails are on WikiLeaks this morning "possible" might be an understatement.

[Fitz]

anyone who ever thought she was going to see punishment for that stuff was completely delusional

[Jocassee]

Just watched a live stream of a press conference with the Director of the FBI concerning Clinton's e-mail servers.  They found that hundreds of emails were classified at the time that they were sent.  Several were Top Secret.  The Director said that given that it was widely known that she used a private e-mail, and that she accessed that e-mail from overseas it's possible hostile actors had compromised her servers*. He said some pretty harsh things about what the people involved should have known, and the general security culture at State.

Is this the equivalent of blinking SOS at the camera on a proof-of-life tape?

[TechMan]

Some animals are more equal than others.

[Ben]

Wow. Unbelievable. Well I guess not unbelievable, other than again, a civil servant, or uniformed person, or gov contractor, would have had their life destroyed by the government.

[TommyGunn]

anyone who ever thought she was going to see punishment for that stuff was completely delusional

I agree; the rational part of my mind never thought she'd be charged, indicted, tried or convicted.  I still find, however, that I am offended at this.  Everyone I've heard discussing this, either on TV or in person (and I know some people who've "been there done that" with top secret stuff) have said that if they'd done what Hillery had they'd be in prison.
Ignorance is no excuse.
If you're involved in a career that requires the handling of classified material   .....  and you don't know that something is classified because it "isn't marked" do you:
A.)  Treat everything as if it were classified, or
B.)   Treat everything as if it was not clasified, or,
C.)   put ketchup on your hotdog instead of mustard.

Most people choose "A."  

*!Sigh!*

Oh well.   At least Trump has some new fodder.......................

[Ben]

What's really irritating, because I just heard Comey's statement: He specifically said that she  carelessly exchanged top secret special access emails on her personal servers.

It doesn't matter if she "intentionally" did it or not. They have evidence that it was done. There are clear regulations regarding that. What would happen to an E-4 that "was unintentionally careless" with that same email?

[dogmush]

What's really irritating, because I just heard Comey's statement: He specifically said that she  carelessly exchanged top secret special access emails on her personal servers.

It doesn't matter if she "intentionally" did it or not. They have evidence that it was done. There are clear regulations regarding that. What would happen to an E-4 that "was unintentionally careless" with that same email?

Probably? They would lose pay, their clearance, get some confinement (basically max out a field grade Article 15), finish out their enlistment in a place job they never saw sensitive material in, and be invited not to re-enlist.  Unless they insisted on a Court Martial.

[Fitz]

What's really irritating, because I just heard Comey's statement: He specifically said that she  carelessly exchanged top secret special access emails on her personal servers.

It doesn't matter if she "intentionally" did it or not. They have evidence that it was done. There are clear regulations regarding that. What would happen to an E-4 that "was unintentionally careless" with that same email?

It doesn't MATTER what an E-4 would have gotten.


The point is, and people seem unwilling to realize this, is that we live in a country where the elite are subject to a completely different set of laws than we are. If you're a powerful politician, you can kill people, drive drunk, mishandle classified data, give aid and comfort to our enemies, evade taxes, and nothing will happen.

We are not free. We have not been for some time. The crushing realization has been hitting me lately, especially after seeing the government approved independence day celebration and the heavy handed bullshit rules there.

You are a serf. A peasant. You exist at the convenience and pleasure of your masters. All of us do.

[Ben]

It doesn't MATTER what an E-4 would have gotten.


The point is, and people seem unwilling to realize this, is that we live in a country where the elite are subject to a completely different set of laws than we are. If you're a powerful politician, you can kill people, drive drunk, mishandle classified data, give aid and comfort to our enemies, evade taxes, and nothing will happen.

That was kinda my point. Her, and people like her, with connections, will laugh about this at cocktail parties and probably make $250K a pop giving talks about it and other things that are criminal behavior.

[Ron]

Well, it would have been really inconvenient for our next president to have been under indictment.

[HankB]

No charges? Rush was right - the fix was in.

So much for all the talking heads who were saying all along that the FBI director was a man of impeccable character and high integrity. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I hope Comey fully enjoys the results of this being the defining moment of his career


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[230RN]

 

[roo_ster]

If any non-connected person did what she did, they would be ruined.

I am not amused.

It doesn't MATTER what an E-4 would have gotten.


The point is, and people seem unwilling to realize this, is that we live in a country where the elite are subject to a completely different set of laws than we are. If you're a powerful politician, you can kill people, drive drunk, mishandle classified data, give aid and comfort to our enemies, evade taxes, and nothing will happen.

We are not free. We have not been for some time. The crushing realization has been hitting me lately, especially after seeing the government approved independence day celebration and the heavy handed bullshit rules there.

You are a serf. A peasant. You exist at the convenience and pleasure of your masters. All of us do.

The problems attendant with running a multiethnic empire instead of a republic: diminution of the value of citizenship and centralization of power.  Hail, Caesar!

[brimic]

It doesn't MATTER what an E-4 would have gotten.


The point is, and people seem unwilling to realize this, is that we live in a country where the elite are subject to a completely different set of laws than we are. If you're a powerful politician, you can kill people, drive drunk, mishandle classified data, give aid and comfort to our enemies, evade taxes, and nothing will happen.

We are not free. We have not been for some time. The crushing realization has been hitting me lately, especially after seeing the government approved independence day celebration and the heavy handed bullshit rules there.

You are a serf. A peasant. You exist at the convenience and pleasure of your masters. All of us do.

Been realizing that for quite some time myself, and I also completely expected Hillary to walk on this one- just like with every other criminal act that has happened under the current administration.

[Fitz]

I gotta go ride my motorcycle. the state of this country is particularly depressing today.

[Ron]

Nearly everyone from the President on down was complicit in Hillery's ignoring of the law/rules.

Everyone in the administration who knew or realized what she was doing is guilty to some degree or another of facilitating her.

It's basically a constitutional crises of one whole branch of the US government if the FBI does the right thing.


 

[roo_ster]

BREAKING: FBI finds John Wilkes Booth "extremely careless" in discharge of firearm.

— Stephen Green (@VodkaPundit) July 5, 2016

[brimic]

Nearly everyone from the President on down was complicit in Hillery's ignoring of the law/rules.

Everyone in the administration who knew or realized what she was doing is guilty to some degree or another of facilitating her.

It's basically a constitutional crises of one whole branch of the US government if the FBI does the right thing.


 

Which will be a constitutional crisis if anyone but Hillary wins. If anyone from the administration goes down, they all go down. The fix is already in.

[Perd Hapley]

Another reason why I just won't be able to recognize that person as a legitimate president.

[RocketMan]

I truly hope no one here was surprised by this.

[lee n. field]

I truly hope no one here was surprised by this.

Not me.

What can we do?

[Unisaw]

I'm not surprised, but this just increases my level of cynicism.  The conclusion of the press conference (recommendation of no charges) was a complete non sequitur.  Basically, "she broke the law and endangered national security, but we're not going to do anything about it."  Unfortunately, most of Hillary's supporters won't care about her negligence and long ago accepted the fact that she is a serial liar.

We can fantasize that Hillary will eventually be held accountable for public corruption once the FBI completes its investigation of the Clinton Foundation, but I'm not holding my breath.

[brimic]

 Unfortunately, most of Hillary's supporters won't care about her negligence and long ago accepted the fact that she is a serial liar.

Worse- they will accuse those who don't support hillary as being part of a 'right wing witch hunt.'