Author Topic: Gardenburger...blech. (Read 6735 times)

grislyatoms · « **on:** June 24, 2007, 10:30:13 AM »

Well, I wandered up to the crap-eteria to grab a burger and a salad, and apparently someone got something mixed up.

Gardenburger instead of good ol' beef.

Now don't get me wrong, I like Boca burgers (they are actually pretty good) but this was... well, it's in the garbage. Yuck.

Par for the course, today.

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:34:03 AM »

I can work with Boca burgers.

After eating a Gardenburger, I have the most gawd-awful tasting burps all day long. Never knew soy could do that... undecided

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2007, 12:48:48 PM »

Sure it wasn't just well-done beef? I've heard it tastes pretty bad. rolleyes

grislyatoms · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2007, 12:58:49 PM »

Nah, it was this greyish-orange light-colored muck.

Hamburgers (actually any cut of beef other than a ribeye) have to be well done. Something about the texture of not-quite-cooked beef turns me off.

Ribeyes are a cut above, (pun intended) and I am beginning to come around on that aspect.

I do understand where you're coming from, though.

Tallpine · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2007, 01:24:05 PM »

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Hamburgers (actually any cut of beef other than a ribeye) have to be well done.

Yeah, unless you want to get sick Sad

The deal with hamburger is that any bacteria on the surface of the piece of meat gets all stirred throughout during the grinding process. A steak on the other hand, cooking on the outside kills any surface germs and there isn't likely to be anything bad in the middle.

No pink hamburger ! shocked

Paddy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2007, 04:07:56 PM »

Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it.

grislyatoms · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2007, 04:26:27 PM »

Quote from: RileyMc on June 24, 2007, 03:07:56 PM

Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it.

Seriously? Traditional consumers (Japanese, Chinese, Korean) of soy products tend to have very low instances of cancer. I'd like to see some docs on this.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:51:04 PM »

Quote from: RileyMc on June 24, 2007, 03:07:56 PM

Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it.

If it doesn't, it should. Durn fake milk. Grumble, grumble.

Mabs2 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2007, 05:54:32 PM »

Hey, I'm lactose intolerant.
I HAVE to have soy milk. ;_;

Sindawe · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2007, 06:02:18 PM »

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Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it.

As grisleyatoms asked, citation?

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Durn fake milk.

You'd rather drink something that comes from a cow's teats? EEEWWWWW!!!!

Different tastes for different palates. After many years of using the soy & rice bases substitutes, I've lost my taste for real milk unless its been rotted to cheese or yogurt. Same with burgers. Even Bocaburgers are rather repugnant to me anymore since they look and feel like meat when eating them. Gardenburgers don't and I prefer them as a result. When I do eat meat, I want it to LOOK like meat and not some ground up mish-mash of who knows what. Tuna/salmon steaks, catfish or a REAL steak with the muscle fibers intact and just a hint of blood.

I wanna feels the veins between my teeth!!!

Paddy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2007, 06:32:06 PM »

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/basics/soy.htm

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Soy%20Allergens.html

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5629.cfm

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.htm

http://www.missionislam.com/health/dangers_of_soy.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Jan/ai_81138256

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soydangers.htm

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/soy%20dangers.htm

http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/180602/whatwomenshouldknowaboutsoy.htm

http://rheumatic.org/soy.htm

Initially, there was a plethora of reports that soy causes disease. Now there is a plethora of reports that soy cures disease. Pick one, you're gonna die anyway laugh

Cosmoline · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2007, 06:44:38 PM »

I *LOVE* Gardenburgers. I just wish they weren't so expensive. I have them on sourdough bread with some cheese melted on top.

stevelyn · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:09:27 PM »

Meat flavored imitation meat and you're surprised it tastes like crap?

I eat a lot of soy products. I use Atkins bake mix quite a bit, low carb snack bars and I actually like some soy milks. I draw the line at wanna be meat. Besides I don't want to legitimize nazi vegan vegetabletarians by eating their fake food.

RocketMan · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:13:40 PM »

Soy burgers may or may not cause cancer and brain damage. But eating them will cause an uncontrollable urge to watch soccer.

K Frame · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:32:24 PM »

"Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it."

Hum...

In the many links you've posted, I'm seeing a LOT of people who are claiming that soy causes cancer and brain damage, as well as a LOT of other claims about soy products.

What I'm NOT seeing, however, are any studies that actually provide conclusive, or even strong, evidence, that soy products cause cancer.

I'd say that's making a temporal jump based largely on assumptions, not evidence.

And this one -- http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_5629.cfm -- isn't even on point for the topic of the discussion!

It's about nutrition levels of soy products and the nutritional needs of infants.

HankB · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:21:47 AM »

Quote from: Sindawe on June 24, 2007, 05:02:18 PM

. . . You'd rather drink something that comes from a cow's teats? EEEWWWWW!!!!

I've often thought that one of the bravest men in (pre)history was "Ugg" the caveman that told his caveman buddies that he was going to go up to a prehistoric bovine, squeeze what was hanging out the bottom, and drink what came out.

One of the smartest men in prehistory was "Atuk" the caveman, who, after viewing "Ugg's" flattened and scattered remains, decided to demonstrate his bravery the same way . . . but with a prehistoric cow, rather than a bull . . . shocked

As for gardenburgers . . . sorry, I never developed a taste for cooked salad. (We need the barf smiley here . . . )

Chris · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:58:51 AM »

Quote from: RileyMc on June 24, 2007, 05:32:06 PM

Initially, there was a plethora of reports that soy causes disease. Now there is a plethora of reports that soy cures disease. Pick one, you're gonna die anyway laugh

So, eat an undercooked cow, wash it down with fermented grape juice, and be happy!

charby · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2007, 05:09:58 AM »

around here a garden burger means

a beef burger with lettuce, tomato, onion and pickle.

Paddy · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2007, 05:27:57 AM »

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What I'm NOT seeing, however, are any studies that actually provide conclusive, or even strong, evidence, that soy products cause cancer.

Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Dietary Soy, 1971-2003
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

On this page are more references to 'studies' and a critique of how the 'studies' were conducted:
http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/soybreastcancer.htm

'Study' results seem to depend on who funded the study. Go figure.

There is enough controversy to warrant staying away from the stuff, unless you really like it.

Manedwolf · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2007, 06:21:34 AM »

Soy has been a part of the traditionally healthy Japanese diet for centuries. I'm not seeing a correlation. Edamame, miso, natto, tamari, soymilk...they've always eaten LOTS of soy.

Miso soup is excellent for you, good for the digestion, all sorts of things. And a hot cup of miso tastes wonderful on a cold day.

crt360 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 25, 2007, 11:40:20 AM »

Quote from: RileyMc on June 24, 2007, 03:07:56 PM

Soy causes cancer and brain damage. Stay away from it.

Everything causes cancer . . . in California. I was looking at one of those little reusable insulated nylon lunchbags the other day. It had a label on it that said it to wash your hands after handling it, especially before touching food, because it was known to cause cancer in California. Did I mention it was a lunchbag? Saturday, I got a USB audio connector cable thingy, took it out of the package and it has a warning on it about being known to cause cancer in California and that I should be careful to wash my hands every time I handle it. So, it's reasonable to assume that soy causes cancer, at least in California. Tongue

I had a gardenburger a long time ago, but it was served with enough good beer to where I quickly forgot about the soy patty.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #21 on:** June 25, 2007, 12:46:52 PM »

I went through about half the links provided above. What quackery and trash. Long on conjecture and short on actual data (aside from a bunch of pop-culture assertions). No supporting studies, at least not by anyone with a reasonably recognizeable medical presence. It is a pretty good example of what happens when you get a tiny bit of real science (allergies and a few other actual soy-related issue) and mix in an unhealthy does of ignorance, conjecture, and new-age hysteria.

As an example...

From the DietNet link (frot.co.nz). This was the entry number one in their Myth/Truth section, by the way.

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Myth: Use of soy as a food dates back many thousands of years.
Truth: Soy was first used as a food during the late Chou dynasty (1134-246 BC), only after the Chinese learned to ferment soy beans to make foods like tempeh, natto and tamari.

Apparently the organic diet they are on has affected their ability to do basic math. 1134 BC to 2007 AD is a little over 3100 years. I think that qualifies as "many thousands". Sorry, I don't take my dietary or medical advice from someone who can't add.

And this little gem from the EMR Labs page (quantumbalancing.com). This is a direct cut-and-paste of their Product List.

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Advanced Bio-Photon Analyzer (ABPA A2)
GB-4000 Frequency Generator
Life Force 2000 Tri-Phase
Signature Energy Plates
Crystal Harmonizers
Rods of Ra - Technologies of Ancient Egypt - NEW!
IRx LED Photon Wand
Water Vortex Magnetizer
Secrets of Ancient Geometry

If I wanted my crystals harmonized, my water vortex magnetized, or my advanced bio-photons analyzed, I might call these quacks, but only as a last resort as I'm sure every local clinic probably has a GB-4000 Frequency Generator (or they should just because the name sounds so... so... technical). I don't even want to know what the Rods of Ra are for.

Lordamighty some of the crap that floats around the net these days. rolleyes

Brad

MillCreek · « **Reply #22 on:** June 25, 2007, 01:24:43 PM »

Hmm, what caliber for Signature Energy Plates? grin

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2007, 01:30:39 PM »

Quote from: MillCreek on June 25, 2007, 12:24:43 PM

Hmm, what caliber for Signature Energy Plates? grin

I'm thinking 1.21 gigawatts through the Life Force 2000 Tri-Phase should be about right, but that's just me...

Brad

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #24 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:16:00 PM »

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Advanced Bio-Photon Analyzer (ABPA A2)
GB-4000 Frequency Generator
Life Force 2000 Tri-Phase
Signature Energy Plates
Crystal Harmonizers
Rods of Ra - Technologies of Ancient Egypt - NEW!
IRx LED Photon Wand
Water Vortex Magnetizer
Secrets of Ancient Geometry

Scotty: "Captain, the crystal harmonizer is back online!"

Kirk: "Mr. Sulu, activate the energy plates."

Sulu: "Aye, sir."

Kirk: "Mr. Chekov, set the bio-photon analyzer on maximum."

Chekov: "Yes, captain."

Spock: "Captain, the Klingons are activating their vortex magnetizer."

Kirk: "So they buy the same New Age crap that we do?"

Spock: "It would be the logical conclusion."

News:

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