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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2014, 08:05:51 PM »
Saw the zomg pics of the Viking players kid. Are you kidding? Probably not my style but not child abuse. And I wish I could say the kid will learn from it but he's back with momma and she likely can undo any education that occurred


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2014, 11:50:32 PM »
And probably most dangerous of all - did you ever drink straight from the garden hose just after someone else did?

Oh, heck yeah. The bike ride from home to school was about 4 or 5 miles. One of my grammar school (and high school, for that matter) classmates lived at the end of my street, about halfway on my route to and from school. Her mother was friends with my mother. It was a given that on warm/hot days I had an open invitation to stop and slurp from their garden hose.

Since I was usually accompanied by my brother and/or a cousin or three when biking to school, who knows who drank before whom? And who knows where that hose had been or what it was doing before we drank from it?
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2014, 11:43:36 AM »
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2014, 11:53:58 AM »
Saw the zomg pics of the Viking players kid. Are you kidding? Probably not my style but not child abuse. And I wish I could say the kid will learn from it but he's back with momma and she likely can undo any education that occurred


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I heard he spanked his kid with a switch.  The news made it sound like he was whipping him or something.  I hope he lets it go to trial,but I don't know what sort of jury he would get. 
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2014, 12:00:28 PM »
We used to play dodge ball in the trees at one time.  There was a big oak in our front yard that had 3 or 4 good branchings to climb up.  One kid would stay on the ground and try to hit the others with a tennis ball.  It was usually me, my brother and one or two cousins. 
We ran around the woods, fished, killed snakes, burned trash, blew up spray cans in that trash.  We didn't shoot BB guns at each other, but we did have sling shot wars with acorns.  My mother certainly didn't want us in the house all day. 

Depends on the state, the laws, and the definitions. Around here, there's a catch-all charge called "Child Endangerment." That one covers a multitude of sins, from leaving your 6-month old infant in the car under a hot sun for four hours while you have your pedicure, to walking the kid is a stroller on a sunny day without a full-on sun shade.

I am constantly amazed that I lived beyond the point of counting my age in single digits. By today's standards, I was neglected, abused, AND endangered. Let's see:

  • If I (hypothetically) did bad things, I got spanked. With a leather belt
  • In our big old American car, I didn't ride in a seat -- I crawled up on the back shelf behind the rear seat.
  • We didn't have seatbelts until I was 16 -- and I installed them in Mom's car
  • I learned to shoot a real rifle at about age 8
  • Our town was still rural when I was young. I was allowed to wander around in the woods with no escort, and no supervision. (And no GPS collar).
  • I learned to drive -- a standard transmission -- when I was about ten. I wasn't allowed on public roads, but I was allowed to putter around the fields in Mom's car.
  • We played cowboys and indians -- shooting each other with cork-firing guns and suction cup arrows.
  • I climbed trees. BIG trees -- all the way to the top.
  • We rode bicycles to school in good weather. About 4 or 5 miles each way -- unsupervised.

I'm sure there were other examples of felonious neglect/abuse/endangerment, but those are a few that come to mind right away.
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2014, 12:18:32 PM »
All y'all posting tales of your youth - I hope you are aware that many states do not have a "statute of limitations" on felonies, and that you are all confessing to felonies of child neglect/child endangerment/child abuse committed by your parents.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2014, 12:53:24 PM »
Roman candle and/or bottle rocket wars
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2014, 01:02:36 PM »
Roman candle and/or bottle rocket wars

We mostly used the bottle rockets to torment turtles in the stock tank.  Looks pretty impressive when the big ones go off underwater after dark.

Jumping BMX bikes into the stock tank was fun too, but you have to push off the bike as soon as you clear the ramp so as not to end up tangled with it when you hit the water.

I still occasionally find remnants of D batteries hundreds of yards from where the cousins would fire them from a homemade BP cannon.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2014, 01:09:30 PM »
All y'all posting tales of your youth - I hope you are aware that many states do not have a "statute of limitations" on felonies, and that you are all confessing to felonies of child neglect/child endangerment/child abuse committed by your parents.

[/sarcasm]

stay safe.

does that include new laws being used retroactively? because I'm guess a lot of the crap being described would only be felonies under current laws, rather than the older ones (depending on the age of the poster, obviously)

For example, I believe there are now laws that make it illegal to leave a kid unsupervised, alone at home, until the child reaches a specified age in Virginia. I was a latch key kid starting at about 8/9, which I think is under the current age limit.


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2014, 02:10:02 PM »
Not really a law in va. There is a law for having one kid babysit another


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2014, 02:21:44 PM »
I heard he spanked his kid with a switch.  The news made it sound like he was whipping him or something.  I hope he lets it go to trial,but I don't know what sort of jury he would get. 


I only saw a few pictures, but it was supposedly hard enough to cause bleeding, including a cut to the kid's scrotum. He supposedly also hit him in the face.

As for CPS, I would certainly treat them the same as any other agent of the state, and that is with caution. I was a contract therapist for them for about a decade and it was a mixed bag. Some of the workers were really good, but the biggest problem was the statutory ambiguity and judges that were all over the place.

As for the SOL, only murder and rape have no time limit in my state. Most other felonies are 5 to 10 years, so I am long past where I have to be worried. ;)
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2014, 02:44:35 PM »
All y'all posting tales of your youth - I hope you are aware that many states do not have a "statute of limitations" on felonies, and that you are all confessing to felonies of child neglect/child endangerment/child abuse committed by your parents.

[/sarcasm]

stay safe.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2014, 02:57:43 PM »
I only saw a few pictures, but it was supposedly hard enough to cause bleeding, including a cut to the kid's scrotum. He supposedly also hit him in the face.

This, and using the switch at all for something relatively minor is excessive, as well as that many strikes.  That sort of thing just teaches the kid it's acceptable to take out rage on other people.  One swat when other methods have failed.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2014, 03:09:55 PM »
In my experience, there are good workers and bad workers.  Problem for you is that you won't know what is on your porch unless or until it is too late.

skid, I've spent much of my career working with people like you, who want nothing more than to help families fix problems.  First time I did a termination of parental rights hearing with one of my favorite workers, she was in tears, and called herself a failure for a while.  Many of the best like you do burn out, and the system is worse off for that.

As to the problems with CPS, it really is a no-win situation, and in many cases I have personally seen, it is made worse by children who use CPS as a threat against strict parents, and then even worse by some of the do-gooders who think that it is wrong to let your child participate in contact sports, or take children on vacation by car if the trip is more than six hours, or to allow children to participate in discriminatory para-military organizations (the Boy Scouts)...and yes I have heard all three of these arguments (and worse) in court.
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2014, 06:40:15 PM »
....  Many of the best like you do burn out, and the system is worse off for that.

....

Just to set the record straight - I never burned out.  Promotion was possible when someone in a slot retired/died, and then everybody moved up a notch.  Or you could apply elsewhere - but you needed something to get past the entrenched system.  Thankfully I had picked decent grandparents who left me a trust fund that could be used to go to grad school and put letters after my name.  Not many folks had letters after their name - it was good PR for an agency to have someone with letters after their name. :O

Dropped out of the ranks of the gainfully employed and lived off the trust fund for two years so I could put "MSW" after my name.  Three (3) letters!

Two days before my last grad school internship (working at a bank as a Community Organizer - and getting paid for it!! [tinfoil]) I saw an ad for a "social worker" at the Dept. of Corrections.  Turned in my application on Thursday, had an interview on Tuesday, and on the next Friday I was employed by the state (nobody works for the state, donchaknow).  17 years later I decided that quitting was better for everybody than working for a corrupt (and possibly criminal) supervisor.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2014, 10:29:40 PM »
I was denied a pony.  It scarred me for life  :lol:
Dad put 6 balloons up on a piece of plywood in the backyard, and told me if I broke all 6 with the 6 pellets in my Crosman air pistol, he'd buy me a pony.

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I never got a pony.  :'(

And worse, I still had to go to school the next day.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2014, 06:59:40 AM »

PS - Yes, I am a trust fund baby.  Suck it up and deal with it, OK? =D

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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2014, 08:08:55 AM »
Help out the downtrodden.   :'( :rofl:

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2014, 09:53:22 AM »
I heard he spanked his kid with a switch.  The news made it sound like he was whipping him or something.  I hope he lets it go to trial,but I don't know what sort of jury he would get. 


The reports I've been hearing refer to him "beating him [his child] with a tree branch."   :facepalm:

Kind of puts a little different spin on things than "using a switch to spank his child," doesn't it?

Of course, spankings aren't really supposed to bruise, IMO, and drawing blood or even potentially causing significant injury to sensitive body parts is RIGHT out. 

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2014, 10:06:17 AM »
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No the other way around.  You're the trust fund baby.

The reports I've been hearing refer to him "beating him [his child] with a tree branch."   :facepalm:

Kind of puts a little different spin on things than "using a switch to spank his child," doesn't it?

Of course, spankings aren't really supposed to bruise, IMO, and drawing blood or even potentially causing significant injury to sensitive body parts is RIGHT out. 

There are new allegations that came out yesterday from another baby momma.  This one has a picture with band-aids on the child's head. 

Sad thing is that it appears that he has two four year olds at least with two different woman. 
 
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2014, 10:17:25 AM »
He has 6 kids not sure if that counts the one murdered last year.

A switch can draw blood. It would be across my personal line but I am not calling that for another until I get all the facts. My folks drew blood a few times when I was particularly sassy. That's why they favored broader instruments. Safer less marks. Kids are squirmers. I got nailed in the nads once when I moved. The old man felt bad about that. The key was I never thought they didn't love me and with one exception I always knew why I was catching it. When I got older it got to be mutual combat till I moved out shortly thereafter.


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2014, 11:01:16 AM »
I would have much preferred getting whipped to getting chewed out  =(
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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2014, 11:03:31 AM »
I would have much preferred getting whipped to getting chewed out

This.  Maybe the art of ass-chewing should be available as a parenting class.

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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2014, 11:08:22 AM »
This lady had a lot to do with the "new school" of thought. The victimology is strong
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/us/27miller.html?_r=1&


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Re: Don't talk to the police (or CPS)
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2014, 11:24:47 AM »
For a boy the worst thing is mom "looking disappointed" if the boy gets to where that doesn't rein him in then there is a real problem


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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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