Post by: gunsmith on February 21, 2007, 01:01:31 AM
Bounty hunter Dog loses extradition battle in Mexico
posted by: Dan Boniface , Web Producer
created: 2/20/2007 12:16:14 PM
deral court cleared the way for TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman to be extradited to face charges in Mexico, but the decision can still be appealed.
Norma Jara, a spokeswoman for the second district court in Guadalajara, said Thursday the court rejected Chapman's injunction request, ruling there was no reason not to try him on charges he illegally arrested Max Factor makeup heir and convicted rapist Andrew Luster in 2003.
"We only just heard about the Mexican court's decision to continue with the extradition proceedings, and are still in shock," Chapman and his wife, Beth, said in a statement issued Thursday night in Honolulu.
Our attorneys have not even been formally informed of the court's decision, as of yet. We are obviously deeply disappointed and fearful of what will happen, and are currently absorbing the news and discussing our options at this time.
Once Chapman has been formally notified of the decision, he has five days to file an appeal that could block his extradition.
Mexican authorities have already asked for Chapman's extradition from Hawaii.
Chapman's attorney said Friday he believes his client will be treated fairly by the Mexican judicial system, which allows for an appeal of a court decision to extradite Chapman and two fellow bounty hunters.
Attorney William Bollard said the only word Chapman's attorneys so far had of the Mexican court came through an Associated Press story out of Guadalajara.
"The legal process in Mexico continues, and we remain confident that our clients' case will be handled fairly through the appeals process, if necessary," Bollard said in a statement.
Bollard said the Chapmans are "relying on the Mexican judicial system to do the right thing by exonerating our clients."
The charges against the 53-year-old star of the A&E reality series "Dog the Bounty Hunter" stem from his June 2003 capture of Luster in Puerto Vallarta. Luster had fled to Mexico to avoid trial, and his detention by Chapman led to his return to the U.S. and a 124-year prison term.
Luster's capture shot the Honolulu-based bounty hunter to fame and led to the TV series.
Chapman, who is now free on $300,000 bail, faces up to four years in a Mexican jail if convicted. But his Mexican lawyer, Jorge Huerta, doubts he would get the maximum. Huerta said illegal detention is a relatively minor crime in Mexico, and that if Chapman is convicted, he would likely only have to pay a fine of several hundred dollars.
Post by: HankB on February 21, 2007, 03:11:49 AM
On second thought, what was Chapman's "crime?" He nabbed a fugitive from U.S. justice that the Mexicans were doing nothing about. The way I see it, Chapman did us a service . . . but I wouldn't put it past "Jorge" W. Bush's so-called "Justice" department to punish him for it and send him back to Mexico.
Post by: Ezekiel on February 21, 2007, 04:23:45 AM
I have some respect for Chapman as, at 53, he's turned his life around -- big time -- from what it could have been and he runs his own business (to a degree) which is hard.
But he did enter another country, detain someone without jurisdiction there, kidnap them, and bring them back to the states: in a manner that nobody seems to want to describe.
I'm curious as to whether Luster was in Mexico legally. If he was, I think Dog has a serious issues... (Do we want somplace like Israel coming into the United States and kidnapping legal immigrants to face charges in Israeli courts?)
If Luster was in Mexico illegally, I don't know why Mexico cares about this, other than Dog made them look bad by doing something they wouldn't or couldn't.
Post by: richyoung on February 21, 2007, 04:34:36 AM
Tough call.
I have some respect for Chapman as, at 53, he's turned his life around -- big time -- from what it could have been and he runs his own business (to a degree) which is hard.
But he did enter another country, ...
I have some respect for Chapman as, at 53, he's turned his life around -- big time -- from what it could have been and he runs his own business (to a degree) which is hard.
But he did enter another country, ...
Legally. Unlike several millions of Mexicans that have entered THIS country, with the aid and encouragement of the very government that is trying so hard to convict Dog.
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detain someone without jurisdiction there, kidnap them, and bring them back to the states:
He did not "kidnap" him - he ttok him into custody before he could either run away or tape himself raping some more women while they were doped with GHB, (which was found in his hotel room). The Mexican authorities took Luster into custody when they arrested Dog, and it was the MEXICAN authorities who extradidted Andrew Luster to the United States - but they had little choice at that point.
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in a manner that nobody seems to want to describe.
See above.
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I'm curious as to whether Luster was in Mexico legally. If he was, I think Dog has a serious issues... (Do we want somplace like Israel coming into the United States and kidnapping legal immigrants to face charges in Israeli courts?)
read 'em and weep:
"In 1996, 1997 and 2000 Luster gave three women GHB, a known date rape drug, and raped them while they were unconscious. Luster was brought to trial in 2002. Soon afterward, police officers found videotapes of Luster raping the women in question, including one tape labeled "Shauna GHBing."
On January 6, 2003, the trial court found the appellant had voluntarily absented himself from the trial and declared him a fugitive.
On January 21, 2003, Andrew Luster was convicted of 86 of the 87 counts of rape against him.
On February 18, 2003, the court sentenced Andrew Luster to 124 years in prison, in absentia while still absent from the court. Also, on February 18, 2003, the trial court found that on January 4, 2003 the appellant willfully absented himself from both the court and the state.
The California Court of Appeal refused the appeal his attorneys filed on his behalf [1], ruling that as a fugitive from justice, Luster had forfeited his right to appeal. The California Supreme Court [2] and the United States Supreme Court [3] later refused to disturb this ruling. FindLaw record of the Motion to Dismiss Appeal [4].
Luster found his way to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico where he lived under an assumed name (David Carrera), surfing and partying. He was taken into custody by bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman, his son Leland Chapman, Tim Chapman, and two TV crewmen, in a noisy scuffle on June 18, 2003. Originally captured by the bounty hunter, Luster was taken into custody by Mexican authorities who then charged the bounty hunter with kidnapping. A search of Luster's room revealed more GHB [citation needed] as well as plans to rebuild his fortune [citation needed] and unspecified plans for "payback" against many of the participants in his trial."
Per wikipedia.
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If Luster was in Mexico illegally, I don't know why Mexico cares about this, other than Dog made them look bad by doing something they wouldn't or couldn't.
DING DING DING ...give the man a cee-gar!
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 21, 2007, 05:28:43 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 21, 2007, 05:38:55 AM
*crickets*
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on February 21, 2007, 06:54:36 AM
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 21, 2007, 07:05:33 AM
Brad
Post by: Lonestar49 on February 21, 2007, 07:20:29 AM
Can you say "Bling!!"
In every case, where a tourist is jailed in Mexico, it always turns into a corrupt judicial money pit for those connected to the jailed "victim". Be it the mexican lawyers (who must represent anyone) along with the jailers, who determine the treatment he/she will receive while detained, and of course, the corrupt judge/s who control the flow of extortion money when it comes in (in this case, American dollars). No matter, you/Dog can say goodbye to the $300,000 bail money, as to drop the charges would mean the return of that money.. Not gonna happen.
Then of course, the mexican (corrupt) lawyer that HAS to speak for him legally down there, will file for trumped up charges of his time (spent on this case) MONEY, that he has not been paid for. It will go on, and on, until somehow, if Dog is betrayed by the US Government, and sent back, it will be another, USA fulfills its agreements with our neighbors to the South, as the beat of millions of illegals continues to drain ALL of our systems (and pockets).
Fight fire with fire, as I have said before.. It's the only way.
LS
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 21, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 09:05:40 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on February 21, 2007, 09:14:12 AM
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Like those two border patrol officers currently (last I checked) likely to catch shivs in the back in the prison they're in for daring to shoot a Mexican drug dealer? Does anyone really think that wasn't just to placate the Mexican
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 09:35:19 AM
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Like those two border patrol officers currently (last I checked) likely to catch shivs in the back in the prison they're in for daring to shoot a Mexican drug dealer? Does anyone really think that wasn't just to placate the Mexican
Yeah. Shooting unarmed men is bad ju-ju. Especially if you're an LEO. Trying to cover it up makes it worse.
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 21, 2007, 10:17:29 AM
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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
I guess that's why a guy from the U.S. spent time in a Mexican prison because they found a single cartridge rolling around under the seat of his pickup. As a result of Mexico's absolute demand for judicial reciprocation, he is now branded a felon here in the U.S. for something that wouldn't have even generated a second glance from our law enforcement. Some criminal, he.
The Mexican judicial system is about as trustworthy as a homicidal pedophile protecting a day-care center. They demand we "respect their authorita" and then use every dodgy, flimsy, and otherwise underhanded tactic to take advantage of our judicial trustworthyness. They hate us, pure and simple, and have no problem using official blackmail and enforcement tactics to "make the gringos pay" - one person at a time. What U.S. citizens did there was legal here but they are still being being punished for life under our laws even though they never broke them! All to appease a bunch of people who's only reason for even smiling at us is because we single-handedly support the entire economy of their northern states.
Mexico deserves no respect, and gets none from me. For all I care they can scream until their lungs fall out. My problem is our willing judicial reciprecation even though it is overwhelmingly clear that what they are seeking isn't justice. It's revenge.
Brad
Post by: 280plus on February 21, 2007, 10:38:27 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 21, 2007, 10:41:47 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
Hey, even fistful got thrown in the juzgado one time.
You should have just paid her.
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 21, 2007, 11:32:30 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
Post by: 280plus on February 21, 2007, 11:42:04 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 11:43:57 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 21, 2007, 11:47:21 AM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on February 21, 2007, 01:22:28 PM
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds funny.
Walkin' down Canal Street.....
&$%% &#$ $)($( ^@%#$^ couldn't find a *(^)$ !!
Finally found a !@#$, she was tall and thin....
A song?
Am I the only person who doesn't have a clue what any of this means?
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 21, 2007, 01:24:36 PM
Brad
Post by: The Rabbi on February 21, 2007, 01:40:52 PM
Post by: Sindawe on February 21, 2007, 02:04:03 PM
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You guys are way too young.
No, you senile goats are too old. : neener :
K, I searched. Now I understand. Shame on you guys. 'Specially you Rabbi, a man of ***.
Post by: 280plus on February 21, 2007, 02:40:07 PM
Post by: Lonestar49 on February 21, 2007, 03:43:28 PM
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds funny.
Walkin' down Canal Street.....
&$%% &#$ $)($( ^@%#$^ couldn't find a *(^)$ !!
Finally found a !@#$, she was tall and thin....
A song?
Am I the only person who doesn't have a clue what any of this means?It's simple: it's a Mexican Ticket/Citation. Answer yes or no and sign. The right answer will get you released on your own recognisance with just a fine to be determined by the issuing cop, on the spot, and your free to be on your way. The other answer will land you in jail.. But, you must answer and sign right now!! It's Mexican 50/50 justice..
LS
Post by: Bigjake on February 21, 2007, 05:32:16 PM
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(Do we want somplace like Israel coming into the United States and kidnapping legal immigrants to face charges in Israeli courts?)
Can't see the negative side of that. Our immigration standards are getting lax, and the Izzy's have an excelent track record of dealing with Islamic scum. we could stand to learn from em'.
Post by: Sindawe on February 21, 2007, 05:57:28 PM
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(Do we want somplace like Israel coming into the United States and kidnapping legal immigrants to face charges in Israeli courts?)
If said Israelis are fugatives from justice and our government does nothing to extradite them back to Israel, I have no problem with that.
This issue with Dog Chapman is just another example of the depth of hypocrisy the Mexican government has sunk to.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 21, 2007, 06:06:28 PM
If Duane "Dog" Chapman is worth his salt as a bounty hunter (and an ex-con murderer), wouldn't he be fairly well versed in his trade, to the point that he'd know the legal ramifications of breaking international law?
Looks like the bonehead didn't get any of the $1 Million bounty for Andrew Luster, either:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/09/national/main535821.shtml
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 21, 2007, 06:14:37 PM
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K, I searched. Now I understand.
Post the link and save us some time.
Post by: Sindawe on February 21, 2007, 06:44:50 PM
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Post the link and save us some time.
But then how will you ever learn anything Grasshopper?
OK. Here is what I found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_Down_Canal_Street
Post by: gunsmith on February 21, 2007, 07:00:27 PM
"they walked along by the old canal, a little confused I remember well, checked into a strange hotel with the neon burning bright"
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 21, 2007, 07:33:25 PM
Rabbi, Sindawe, that is pretty nasty stuff. Actually, I was arrested for having a Leatherman Super Tool in my pocket. I'm sure some Mexican cop has it in his pocket right now. They were nice, and only set the fine at half the cash in my wallet. Good thing they didn't find the other fifty in my sock.
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 01:46:45 AM
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If Duane "Dog" Chapman is worth his salt as a bounty hunter (and an ex-con murderer), wouldn't he be fairly well versed in his trade, to the point that he'd know the legal ramifications of breaking international law?
Looks like someone thought maybe international law didn't apply to them. HE's probably not thinking that too much anymore these days. I know this is OT but, speaking of our "reality" stars, anyone heard how Jesse James got fined $271,000 for producing bikes that didn't meet Kali emissions laws? I just find that to be SO amusing. 
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 09:02:19 AM
Was Chapman a "reality star" prior to busting Luster? I thought that was the bounty that made him famous and got him his show.
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 10:23:45 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 10:41:47 AM
I don't know, I always figured if the show was based on real life it was a reality show.
Which came first? The cable show or the filmed Luster bust?
I thought it was the bust that got him the show on the air. Which would make him not a tv personality at the time, thus not a guy who thought his stardom gave him a pass.
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 10:44:33 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 10:45:19 AM
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On June 18, 2003, the Chapman trio captured convicted fugitive rapist Andrew Luster (heir to Max Factor cosmetics), who had fled to Mexico.
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The program spun off from their appearance in the A&E Network's Take This Job, a program about people with unusual occupations. Both shows are produced for A&E by Hybrid Films, a New York-based production company.
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the A&E cable series Take This Job [first aired in 2003]... revolved around unusual people in unusual professions. The opening episode set the series' tone by focusing on prominent Hawaiian bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman, whose recent capture of millionaire fugitive Andrew Luster had made international headlines
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[the "Dog the Bounty Hunter Show]
Original channel A&E Network
Original run August 30, 2004 Present
Original channel A&E Network
Original run August 30, 2004 Present
Looks like he made the capture, got the A&E segment later that year and then a year later got his own show. He was well-known in the bounty hunter community prior to the Luster bust (lust-or-bust, heh) but not a "star".
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 12:44:29 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Chapman#2006_arrest_.26_extradition_proceedings
Andrew Luster
Main article: Andrew Luster
On June 18, 2003, Chapman made news with his hunt and capture of Max Factor cosmetics heir Andrew Luster, who at the time was in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Luster had fled the United States in the middle of his trial for poisoning and rape, and was convicted in absentia on 86 counts including multiple rape charges connected to assaults in 1996, 1997 and 2000.[3]
Chapman was assisted by his "hunt team", consisting of Tim Chapman and son Leland. Mexican authorities ordered Chapman and his team to transfer Luster into Mexican police custody, but they refused, and were arrested for kidnapping and unlawful detainment. On July 3, 2003, they were officially declared fugitives by a spokesman for the Mexican Government, after failing to report to the Mexican courts as ordered.
2006 arrest & extradition proceedings
On September 14, 2006, just days prior to the statute of limitations, Chapman, along with his son Leland Chapman and associate Tim Chapman (no relation), were arrested by United States Marshals and jailed in Honolulu on behalf of the Mexican government.[4] All three were charged with felony restraint involving the 2003 kidnapping of Andrew Luster. Bounty hunting is a crime under Mexican law, and they each face up to four years in Mexican prison if they are convicted.[citation needed] After spending one night in the federal detention center, Chapman told reporters: "The federal marshals treated us with great respect. But let me tell you, you never want to go to a federal prison, because it's terrible."[5]
Andrew Luster
Main article: Andrew Luster
On June 18, 2003, Chapman made news with his hunt and capture of Max Factor cosmetics heir Andrew Luster, who at the time was in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Luster had fled the United States in the middle of his trial for poisoning and rape, and was convicted in absentia on 86 counts including multiple rape charges connected to assaults in 1996, 1997 and 2000.[3]
Chapman was assisted by his "hunt team", consisting of Tim Chapman and son Leland. Mexican authorities ordered Chapman and his team to transfer Luster into Mexican police custody, but they refused, and were arrested for kidnapping and unlawful detainment. On July 3, 2003, they were officially declared fugitives by a spokesman for the Mexican Government, after failing to report to the Mexican courts as ordered.
2006 arrest & extradition proceedings
On September 14, 2006, just days prior to the statute of limitations, Chapman, along with his son Leland Chapman and associate Tim Chapman (no relation), were arrested by United States Marshals and jailed in Honolulu on behalf of the Mexican government.[4] All three were charged with felony restraint involving the 2003 kidnapping of Andrew Luster. Bounty hunting is a crime under Mexican law, and they each face up to four years in Mexican prison if they are convicted.[citation needed] After spending one night in the federal detention center, Chapman told reporters: "The federal marshals treated us with great respect. But let me tell you, you never want to go to a federal prison, because it's terrible."[5]
Looks like someone raised a stink at the last minute.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 01:15:54 PM
For all his faults (most freely admitted by Chapman) he appears to be sincere in wanting the bad guys to do their time, no reason not to make a buck doing it if you can.
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 01:38:35 PM
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Looks like someone raised a stink at the last minute.
Yup, I'd say so. I find it kind of ironic though that at the time he's tracking down all these bad guys he himself was a fugitve. The proper thing for him to have done was report to the Mexican courts as ordered. He probably would have gotten off fairly light but now they're after blood I'll bet.Too bad he got his kid involved in all this too. It's almost like the model couple we're hearing about here in CT right now. Mommy and daddy drug dealers involving their 18 yo son in the family "business". They ruined the kid's life.
Thanks for the research and bringing me up to speed.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 01:49:29 PM
No, really, I had to type about 4 words and then cut and paste.
I don't agree that he would have gotten a "slap on the wrist". If I remember correctly Mexico was quite embarrassed that a wanted American fugitive was living the public high life and they ignored it (corruption).
Having a yankee come in and do their job for them was a slap in the face.
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 01:55:08 PM
Post by: Phyphor on February 22, 2007, 01:56:49 PM
You guys are way too young.
Yea, well, we're working on that.... now give!
Post by: 280plus on February 22, 2007, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 22, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
You have a point. Still, wouldn't you think he made it worse for himself by ignoring the court order?
Oh yeah, in fact I'm pretty sure he just figured the coin wouldn't flip, especially by the Feds, since he had brought in a real bad guy. Certainly not at the last minute like that.
Right or wrong, he got politicized.
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Post by: J.J. on February 23, 2007, 07:30:36 AM
*shiver* I feel traumatized by remembering that so& vividly *shiver* eeehhhhwwww
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on February 23, 2007, 09:37:19 AM
...hung from her collarbones.
She compensates by showing as much of them as she can, as often as she can.
If he likes 'em, more power to 'em both.
Post by: CAnnoneer on February 23, 2007, 11:06:56 AM
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Apparently, not long after they signed with A&E, she took the money and had these...these...whale blubber meatbags
She can carry her blubber in her thighs or in her breasts. If she intends to keep it anyway, might just as well have some of it transferred upstairs. Either way, she is killing herself with so much overweight. Dog should have helped her lose some, instead of seldom missing a chance to say something disparaging about her appearance.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 23, 2007, 08:33:23 PM
As for facing up to Mexican "justice", what kind of justice do you think you would get down there?
They probably waited to file against him because now he's a star and they probably figure they can fleece him for more money now. If he hadn't gotten a TV show, they probably wouldn't have been all that worried about him.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 23, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
Mexico is chafed that Duane "Dog" Chapman violated their sovereignty, bounty hunter or not. Nor does their law recognize bounty hunting as a lawful occupation.
You want the beaners just coming up here and kidnapping folks in the U.S. with absolute disregard for our sovereignty?
Be careful what you ask for.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 23, 2007, 09:22:10 PM
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You want the beaners just coming up here and kidnapping folks in the U.S. with absolute disregard for our sovereignty?
No, but that isn't at all like what happened.
Luster was a US citizen, convicted of his crimes committed in the US in a US court of law. Also, Mexico made no effort to find and extradite him before a bounty hunter was resorted to.
That is no kind of parallel to Mexicans (government or otherwise) snatching innocent (non-convicted in an American court) American citizens to stand trial in Mexico for crimes committed here or there.
A true parallel would be a Mexican bounty hunter grabbing a Mexican citizen who had committed crimes in Mexico and who was convicted in a Mexican court for those crimes after the US made no effort to find, arrest and extradite him.
Which I really wouldn't have much of a beef about. The "violation of sovereignty" is only to secure an escaped, lawfully convicted, felon citizen of the violating nation.
Like Texas cops raiding a private house in Oklahoma to seize a Texan, convicted in Texas, for crimes committed in Texas.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 23, 2007, 09:54:24 PM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 24, 2007, 12:07:58 AM
Justice sometimes trumps legality. I reserve the right to pick and choose when.
Post by: gunsmith on February 24, 2007, 02:41:01 AM
and his stupid ugly wife.
but but I hate the corrupt racist Mexican gov't lots more.
Post by: Jamisjockey on February 24, 2007, 03:27:11 AM
I despise the show, I hate that mullet headed freaking moron , his family
and his stupid ugly wife.
but but I hate the corrupt racist Mexican gov't lots more.
and his stupid ugly wife.
but but I hate the corrupt racist Mexican gov't lots more.
They're certainly annoying white trash, but I find the methods for finding the BG's entertaining, as well as watching the persistence of the chase.....
The aggrivating thing is that the same government that won't extradite our criminals to us is insistent that we send them a criminal for a relatively minor infraction (its about the equivalent of a serious misdmeanor)......and we appear ready to just capitulate.....
Post by: Sergeant Bob on February 24, 2007, 02:00:20 PM
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Mexico is chafed that Duane "Dog" Chapman violated their sovereignty, bounty hunter or not. Nor does their law recognize bounty hunting as a lawful occupation.
Mexico doesn't care if someone violates their sovereignty as long as there is money in it for them.That's all this is about, money. Otherwise, they wouldn't have waited till he had a hit TV show to go after him.
And, what Carebear said. If there is a Mexican citizen here who is a multiple rapist, murderer, child molester, whatever, I welcome someone to come up here and snatch him.
Post by: Gewehr98 on February 24, 2007, 03:55:45 PM
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Justice sometimes trumps legality. I reserve the right to pick and choose when.
Well (and carefully) spoken!
Post by: Matthew Carberry on February 24, 2007, 03:56:49 PM