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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2009, 06:40:13 PM »
Can we go back to talking about the Romans? Its less embarassing.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2009, 06:47:26 PM »
Can we go back to talking about the Romans? Its less embarassing.

Why are you embarrassed?

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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2009, 06:50:28 PM »
Why are you embarrassed?

Micro's sex positive lifestyle is hard for him to bear.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2009, 07:07:57 PM »
Micro's sex positive lifestyle is hard for him to bear.

Actually, I'm a proud South Carolinian.
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« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2009, 07:35:19 PM »
At least there's no video of the act! /positive  :angel:
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2009, 07:40:27 PM »
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Maria Belen Chapur.

Photos are SFW.

There's also a Slate article about the entire mess.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2009, 07:47:20 PM »
Wow.... Goes to show you affairs aren't always with attractive young women. Just sad, the whole damn thing.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2009, 10:48:20 PM »
She looks friendly enough. Points for picking a brunette.

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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2009, 09:07:44 AM »
Interesting observations from a sorta liberal blog
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http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/25/sanford-saga-im-more-interested-in-who-brought-him-down/

sanford saga - i’m more interested in who brought him down….

Posted: 25 Jun 2009 04:06 PM PDT

Love letters between Mark Sanford and his *secret Latin lady lover* were printed yesterday in The State. The South Carolina paper reported that they have been holding onto the emails for six months, and were provided by an anonymous source.

Who is that source? (And how gross is that to print sandofrd_579246a
personal emails like that? OK, yes, I read a couple of snipits from them…so, sue me. But seriously, that was gross.)

    E-mails obtained by The State newspaper in December detailed an affair between Gov. Mark Sanford and Maria, a woman in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

    However, attempts to verify the e-mails — from an anonymous source — were fruitless, until Wednesday. Then, acting on another anonymous tip that Sanford would be on a plane returning from Argentina, the paper sent a reporter to Atlanta.

    When Sanford got off a plane from Buenos Aires, he stopped an interview with The State when asked if he had been with anyone in Argentina.


Obviously at least one person at The State knew about the affair, per the emails. The person who provided the paper the emails knew about the affair. Someone on Sanford’s staff knew he went to Argentina - regardless of what they say. Someone knew. Someone booked his ticket. Someone cleared his calendar. Sanford named a few people that have been working with him, and his family during these difficult times. And someone tipped The State that Sanford was arriving from Argentina (an anonymous passenger on the plane? uh huh).

    John O’Connor, the newspaper reporter who wrote the story about the e-mails, told CNN Wednesday afternoon that The State did not confront Sanford with the messages in December because at the time “there was little way to tell that these were authentic e-mails.”

The media basically ignored the John Edwards scandal, until it broke in the National Enquirer. (And then the MSM still ignored it). So, why the media fire storm over Sanford, who was, for all intents and purposes, on vacation for a few days? Why all of a sudden was the media acting like Dick F*chin’ Tracy?

There is nothing particularly sexy about this scandal - except the DUMB DUMB DUMB lie about where he was. Sanford had already told his wife about his Latin lady lover five months ago. He confessed the affair to his father in law. It was a private matter between husband and wife at this point. The Sanfords were working on how to proceed, as a family. He reportedly went to Argentina to end this relationship.

As far as anyone knew, he was on vacation, but within hours it became a firestorm. His wife wasn’t worried when asked about his whereabouts (she had already asked him to move out, so she was not privy to his schedule) but said he wanted to get some peace and quiet, and do some writing. His office said he was hiking. OK, a little mix up in detail, but no one on his staff, or his wife, was *worried* about his whereabouts. Why did the media become so concerned, all of a sudden?

The big political hoopla now is that Sanford left South Carolina unattended. A tragedy could have struck, and no one would have known where he was! Hogwash. People knew where he was. Had something happened, he would have been on the phone in a second. The Lt. Governor would have stepped in, just as they would if the Governor was on vacation, or out of state on business.

Yes, Sanford screwed up. He had an affair and he brought this on himself. This seems to be the M.O. of pols on both side of the aisle.

But, it seems to me that someone knew about it, and stoked the media firestorm with the intent to bring him down. Who? That’s the real story. Affairs, sadly, are a dime a dozen in Washington these days.

Perhaps whoever sent those emails 6 months ago has been waiting for the right time to bring him down? They obviously have known about this for quite a while. Did the source panic, knowing that Sanford went to Argentina to end the affair, and the window for opportunity was closing? Or have they been waiting for the opportunity to catch him in the act?

The only reason, in my opinion, this story got the coverage it did was because someone KNEW he was in Argentina, and forced this story to break. (and because he is a Republican.)

I’m not saying it should not have broken. I just want to know who did it.

State Rep. Todd Rutherford, D-Columbia, called for Sanford’s resignation immediately after Sanfords press conference. Perhaps he did it.

Or maybe a fellow Republican? A potential Presidential Candidate (Romney?) could have reason to want to bring him down. Sanford was gaining traction, and was a potential risk in 2012.

The Dems or Obama administration had reason to want to take him out - Sanford criticized the $787 billion federal stimulus law and was a big critic of Obama. Hey, would Obama have access to action on a passport?

Jenny Sanford is a potential suspect, a woman scorned and all that, but she is open to a reconciliation, so I don’t think she is an obvious choice.

Or it could have just been someone in his office, who had access to his computer….

Who else?

The Today Show covered this and Meredith’s opening remarks bugged me:

Sex scandal? How tacky, Meredith. A sex scandal is Larry Craig trolling for boy toys in the airport bathroom. This seems like an emotional love affair. And seriously, Sanford saw the woman three times in one year… this wasn’t a sex scandal.

At least the guy gave us the truth yesterday. No denials, or bullshit, just raw emotion. Yes, he was *caught* but he truly seems broken up. I think it’s kind of sad.

Do I think Sanford should resign? Normally I would say no. I didn’t think Bill Clinton should be impeached, either. Sanford did…so, what’s good for the goose, is good for the gov’nor.

Oh, and John Kerry said this:

“Too bad if a governor had to go missing it couldn’t have been the governor of Alaska. You know, Sarah Palin.’’
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2009, 09:13:02 AM »
Excellent points, but I don't think Edwards got any free ride.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2009, 11:57:44 AM »
The Romans had temple prostitutes.  And so do we, brothers.   Yet we deem ourselves a moral people and the Rome of modern times. 

Sanford is no Roman--by any measure.
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2009, 12:22:06 PM »
It would be great to think that while Sanford was dallying down Argentina way over all these years he learned a few things about the history of Argentine politics.  It might have taught him something about the trajectory of America.

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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2009, 12:40:50 PM »
The Romans had temple prostitutes.  And so do we, brothers.
Where?

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« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2009, 01:20:00 PM »
The Romans had temple prostitutes.  And so do we, brothers.   Yet we deem ourselves a moral people and the Rome of modern times. 

Sanford is no Roman--by any measure.

I would never say America is a moral people, not anymore. And I think modern politicians are a great example of the Romans; bread and circuses, right?
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2009, 01:36:58 PM »
I would never say America is a moral people, not anymore. And I think modern politicians are a great example of the Romans; bread and circuses, right?

I would go further and say that the rise and strength of the socialist/progressive movement in the United States correlates fairly well with the decline of morality in America.

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« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2009, 01:46:31 PM »
Where?

DC.  Corporations and SIG's head to the temple, and buy their chosen prostitute with campaign contributions and the like.
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« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2009, 02:26:16 PM »
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I take it as a compliment, of course

I wouldn't.
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« Reply #92 on: June 26, 2009, 03:27:39 PM »
I would go further and say that the rise and strength of the socialist/progressive movement in the United States correlates fairly well with the decline of morality in America.

Yup. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

I wouldn't.

You probably wouldn't post home made porn of yourself on teh intarwebz either.

I hate the way so many terms have been corrupted and slanted. "Sex positive" is one of the worst examples. It's sheer propaganda; anyone who disagrees with utter degeneracy as normative just hates sex, and is bad and negative.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #93 on: June 26, 2009, 03:44:25 PM »
DC.  Corporations and SIG's head to the temple, and buy their chosen prostitute with campaign contributions and the like.
Oh. He weren't speakin' literal. *kicks rocks* And here I was, all ready to convert.  =|  :laugh:

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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #94 on: June 26, 2009, 05:23:48 PM »
You probably wouldn't post home made porn of yourself on teh intarwebz either.

I hate the way so many terms have been corrupted and slanted. "Sex positive" is one of the worst examples. It's sheer propaganda; anyone who disagrees with utter degeneracy as normative just hates sex, and is bad and negative.  :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what this is really about, and probably don't want to know...but I agree with you on the corruption and slanting of terms.
No wonder people can hardly communicate with one another anymore.  =(

I have questions for the guys: Does it make any difference to you that he appeared to really care for the other woman? Are you more forgiving because (according to the posted article) he was trying to work it out within his family?
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #95 on: June 26, 2009, 06:17:34 PM »
This is going to sound like an odd question...

Everyone's raising Cain about his "betrayal of his wife".

 Would y'all still feel the same way if the wife got up at the press conference, and told the world "This is between myself and my hisband, and no business of the rest of you"? Or would y'all still feel the need to declare possession of the moral highground?
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2009, 06:30:37 PM »
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I have questions for the guys: Does it make any difference to you that he appeared to really care for the other woman? Are you more forgiving because (according to the posted article) he was trying to work it out within his family?
That brings up an interesting point - is it more wrong for a married man to be running around with prostitutes or have an emotional whatnot with another woman? Which one will do a better job of breaking up a family?

One tells the wife: "you are lacking in sexual talent/variety/availability/etc." The other says: "you are lacking in the emotional and sexual aspects of wifery. You're still an awesome baby-machine, and maybe a good cook."

So, while I approve of dating Argentine brunettes in general, in this case I consider it a bit more of a transgression than the Eliot Spitzer hooker business. I consider love/emotional affairs/etc to be as avoidable as shooting an elephant.

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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2009, 06:35:56 PM »
I come down the other way, Savalas.  Emotional connections are not subject to rational whims.  The stronger the emotion, the harder it is to restrain.  Extreme love or hate are almost impossible to restrain.

Plain old sexual infidelity (like Spitzer) is quite avoidable.

Neither is exactly classy, but if Sandford divorced his wife, took care of his kids properly (well... as properly as a split household can), and chased after his Argentine brunette then I would have little argument with the man. 
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Re: Sandford Is Done
« Reply #98 on: June 26, 2009, 07:05:55 PM »
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I hate the way so many terms have been corrupted and slanted. "Sex positive" is one of the worst examples. It's sheer propaganda; anyone who disagrees with utter degeneracy as normative just hates sex, and is bad and negative. 

If you can criticize my sex-positive views, I can criticize your sex-negative views. Goose. Gander.

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Yup. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

Are we now seriously claiming that the guy who signed the Alien and Sedition Acts was a great lover of freedom?

The American of today is morally superior in every aspect to the 1860's American or 1950's American. Though I decry the moral issue of our time - which are many, because Utopia is not an option - the modern American neither owns slaves, nor does he send off his countrymen to random countries to die for his political opinions by virtue of a military draft, nor does he disenfranchise half the country by grace of their gender, nor does he suppress his political opponents in the way Lincoln went after the Copperheads.

We forget - because we keep being enamoured with the things we do love about the 19th century and first half of the Twentieth - that people there were evil, evil bastards. It is in the 19th century that people invented Progressivism, Socialism, Communism and the Prohibition (though it passed much later of course).

Besides, to look to the Federalists as the source of moral and political wisdom is a bit... meh. They believed that a Bill of Rights was unnecessary; They claimed there was no need for a 10th Amendment because it was OBVIOUS that the Constitution would never expand beyond the boundaries of explicitly-granted authority and then they went and did just that the moment they came to office. And anybody who reads Federalist 10 can't help but laugh at either the naivete or the ouright evil of the author.
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« Reply #99 on: June 26, 2009, 07:10:29 PM »
If you can criticize my sex-positive views, I can criticize your sex-negative views. Goose. Gander.

This would be the presumption we're talking about. That your view is good and positive, and mine is bad and negative.
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