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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on January 23, 2024, 09:27:40 AM
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Thread on SHOT Show stuff.
First up, this Oracle Arms is an interesting concept: It's basically a cross between a Sig P320 and a 2011, using P320 mags.
https://youtu.be/hid6ukD4pro?t=139
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"using P320 mags"
Nice.
Next Tuesday when Sig announces that the P320 will be discontinued and magazines dry up the horse that Oracle has hitched its wagon to will die of a massive stroke and they'll be up *expletive deleted*it creek without a paddle.
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I really like the idea of a 2011 with cheap, plentiful, reliable mags. Not sure P320 mags are the choice, but with the M17/M18 they will at least be around for a while.
That said, I'm like 3 whiskey's on a bad day from pulling the trigger on a Stealth Arms Platypus.
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I'm just a few whiskeys away from something like a Staccato or Wilson SFX9 myself. :laugh:
I'm still a 1911 guy at heart even though I carry plastic every day now, and still have a hankering for something 2011ish.
As for the mags, yeah, I imagine P320 mags have at least another couple of decades of mass availability, unless Sig doesn't ever want a gov contract again. =)
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I also see that pistol comps, both integrated and aftermarket, seem to be a big thing this year. Shadow Systems is coming out with new integrated pistols, and Radian has a lot of new "add on" stuff.
I saw Shadow Systems is coming out with their own suppressor.
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I'm just a few whiskeys away from something like a Staccato or Wilson SFX9 myself. :laugh:
I'm still a 1911 guy at heart even though I carry plastic every day now, and still have a hankering for something 2011ish.
As for the mags, yeah, I imagine P320 mags have at least another couple of decades of mass availability, unless Sig doesn't ever want a gov contract again. =)
Thread Drift: You seen the Platypus? Look at their site....
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"Stealth Arms Platypus"
I didn't think it would be possible for someone to make the 1911 platform uglier than it is.
My God, they've gone and done it!
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"Stealth Arms Platypus"
I didn't think it would be possible for someone to make the 1911 platform uglier than it is.
My God, they've gone and done it!
Anyone who thinks the 1911 is ugly is someone who has had a lobotomy. =D
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The 1911 is utility ugly.
It serves its purpose.
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"Stealth Arms Platypus"
I didn't think it would be possible for someone to make the 1911 platform uglier than it is.
My God, they've gone and done it!
The base "Platypus" itself is more or less a normal looking 1911. The other versions on the other hand [barf]
https://www.stealtharms.net/p/platypus
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I also see that pistol comps, both integrated and aftermarket, seem to be a big thing this year. Shadow Systems is coming out with new integrated pistols, and Radian has a lot of new "add on" stuff.
I saw Shadow Systems is coming out with their own suppressor.
I guess everything is designed for competition or concealed carry. You still have the police market, but that is almost an afterthought these days.
A number of new suppressors came out last year. Many of them are not super expensive.
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I went by my FFL yesterday. I saw a Desert Tech Quatro lower receiver had showed up for someone. I have one or order also so hopefully I will get it sooner.
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Thread on SHOT Show stuff.
First up, this Oracle Arms is an interesting concept: It's basically a cross between a Sig P320 and a 2011, using P320 mags.
https://youtu.be/hid6ukD4pro?t=139
I haven't handled that pistol, but I would want straight 1911 style grips. That is about all that jumped out at me.
With the military adoption of the pistol, the mags should be around for a long time.
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I guess everything is designed for competition or concealed carry. You still have the police market, but that is almost an afterthought these days.
A number of new suppressors came out last year. Many of them are not super expensive.
I think more cops are going to comps too. Gods know they need all the help they can get on follow up shots.
I'm seeing a lot of those coming out for duty or carry pistols. The Roland Special back in the day started people thinking about them, and once they got small enough to easily fit in holsters people started moving to them for serious uses. I run the Radian Ramjet on my G19x and really like it, and my CCWE G19 has an ARC Reactor slide on it, and I really like it.
Ironically, none of my competition guns have comps, because I don't want to play in Open Division.
The base "Platypus" itself is more or less a normal looking 1911. The other versions on the other hand [barf]
https://www.stealtharms.net/p/platypus
It's pretty customizable to your preferred aesthetic. The one I have built on the website is more on the "gamer" end, but not garishly colored. Stealth Arms says they are coming out with a grip texture other than that chain link this year, and I'm kinda waiting on that. I don't love the chain link thing.
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I see TFB TV Showtime channel is posting videos from SHOT show range day. I believe Classic Firearms will be posting videos also.
I haven't had a chance to dig into new stuff today yet. Maybe later.
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"I haven't handled that pistol, but I would want straight 1911 style grips. "
I'll agree with you on that. I much prefer the flat mainspring housing on 1911-style handguns, and it's the primary reason why, when it comes to .45 semi-autos, I prefer my 4506 over my Springfield 1911 A1 Milspec.
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Ruger announced a .45 ACP version of their LC carbine:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/new-for-2024-ruger-lc-carbine-in-45-acp/
Might make a useful suppressor host, but I'd rather see one in 10mm.
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Might make a useful suppressor host, but I'd rather see one in 10mm.
This
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I haven't handled that pistol, but I would want straight 1911 style grips.
Yeah, that definitely makes a difference to me too. It's one of the reasons I migrated to the Shadow Systems. In fact I think all the Glock clones have at least a backstrap option to make the grip more 1911ey. Glock seems to be the only one that doesn't. Also their stupid excuse for a beavertail while I'm complaining. :laugh:
Glock could get so much larger of a market (yes, I know they already have a big one) with just a few minor tweaks.
On the comps, the videos that I was watching mostly had them on combat handguns vs competition. Not that they're probably still a much larger market in competition, but manufacturers do seem to be adding them to working handguns more and more.
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I went by my FFL yesterday. I saw a Desert Tech Quatro lower receiver had showed up for someone. I have one or order also so hopefully I will get it sooner.
Please post your thoughts when you get it. They are cool looking, but reviews I have seen about Desert Tech in general are all over the place from "awesome" to "avoid".
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Thread on SHOT Show stuff.
First up, this Oracle Arms is an interesting concept: It's basically a cross between a Sig P320 and a 2011, using P320 mags.
https://youtu.be/hid6ukD4pro?t=139
You'd think they would call it a 32011.
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Please post your thoughts when you get it. They are cool looking, but reviews I have seen about Desert Tech in general are all over the place from "awesome" to "avoid".
Be happy to do that. I have a BCM upper and parts kit waiting for it.
The only issue I have with Desert Tech is I don't want another bullpup rifle. I am considering their 10/22 stock, but I don't know if I want to rebuild one of my current 10/22's. A lot of their other stuff doesn't do much for me.
I saw a video talking about a couple new bullpup rifles they have. Looks interesting, but I won't get one.
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"using P320 mags"
Nice.
Next Tuesday when Sig announces that the P320 will be discontinued and magazines dry up the horse that Oracle has hitched its wagon to will die of a massive stroke and they'll be up *expletive deleted*it creek without a paddle.
MagPul just debuted P320 magazines at SHOT.
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The Universal Exchange Rifle | PWS UXR | Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmVFnZUygc
PWS has what is supposed to be a universal rifle. Strips down so it can take any barrel or magwell. Switch from AK magwell to AR magwell. Looks very interesting. I will wait and see if it is accurate and if the AK mag compatibility is okay.
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308 Bullpup Jakl | PSA | Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er88U647gw4
Multiple guns in this video. Some are concept guns.
The 308 is not a bullpup. Designed to fit their PA10 lowers.
A rock and lock lower for the Jakl. He said it takes AK triggers. Odd ball hybrid looking gun.
A bullpup JAKL lower.
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.50 Cal 20 Round Drum Mag | Fostech | Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcrX8N9WqSI
20 round drum for the Barrett. Nice.
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The first DOD Approved Translucent Magazine | Magpul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wpFbyD-YI
A reliable clear AR mag from Magpul. Sounds good.
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PSA MP7 at Home, Krink, Vuk, & MORE at Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_W4YAEFKs
PSA HK MP7 copy in 5.7x28. It makes the EOTech they have mounted look huge.
Krinkov AK clone supposed to be available in February.
PSA's voting is done here:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/shotshow2024
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Shot Show 2024 Products **VOTE YOUR FAVORITE**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yHvixS4Q4w
PSA going through all their new products. Not sure if this posted already.
10mm PSA dagger.
Modular Shotgun. Looks like a cool concept. Discussed that already I guess.
37mm Grenade Launcher. That looks very cool. What I voted for.
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You know... I'm completely underwhelmed by what's coming out of SHOT this year.
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The first DOD Approved Translucent Magazine | Magpul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wpFbyD-YI
A reliable clear AR mag from Magpul. Sounds good.
This is interesting to me. I'm curious on what the DOD approval process is? I have translucent Lancers for my .300blk, and I find them to be as good or better than my gen3 Magpuls, so it doesn't seem like there should be any major hurdle to jump for the mil to use translucent mags.
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You know... I'm completely underwhelmed by what's coming out of SHOT this year.
Don't worry, they won't stop making revolvers for you. =)
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Don't worry, they won't stop making revolvers for you. =)
No one has introduced a new revolver design in the last 30 years that I'd even remotely consider spending money on.
It seems like most of what's coming out these days follows the "slap another half dozen rails on it, throw in an optical sight, find some more surfaces to checker, and call it the hyper turbo super duper tactical practical ultimate Sasquatch model! That will wet some panties! And a brace! Don't forget a brace! Know what? Throw two on it for good measure! We'll call it the PBB (pistol brace brace)"
Ok...
Regarding the Quattro... OK, so someone reinvented the Suomi Casket magazine.
Just found this on a review on Guns.com...
"While I am not sold on replacing my duty rifle with the Quattro, the American concept of “bigger and better” makes the Quattro-15 a great firearm to add to your collection."
Well *expletive deleted*it... sounds like the Quattro is a pussy commie gun. We deserve an Octto! Because 'MURICA!
Sigh.
Anyway... yeah, interesting concept, but unless it comes with an adapter that will allow me to run regular AR magazines in it, no thanks. Not interested in taking the risk that the concept fails, the magazines go out of production, and me being stuck with a gun I can no longer use.
EDIT IN:
OK, looks like the Quattro magazines are less than $50 a pop. Not as bad as I thought they would be. I was figuring north of $100.
Remains to be seen how well they function, however. Similar magazine designs in the past have been... problematic.
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No one has introduced a new revolver design in the last 30 years that I'd even remotely consider spending money on.
But that is a strong qualifier. I doubt I will spend money on most of these new guns, but they are still interesting.
TFB TV Showtime had a video about new Diamondback snubnose revolvers. They are started making a 22 revolver a few years ago. Moving into 38 and 357 now. I can't pull up that video at work.
I also saw that Aero Precision/Stag Arms are showing up with new lever action rifles (not in production yet I think). I don't know if I will like their guns. I am generally not a fan of the tactical stuff. I just hope the competition leads to better prices.
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MagPul just debuted P320 magazines at SHOT.
OK, that's good to hear. I had also forgotten that the 320 was the base for the M17, so that should keep things going for awhile.
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"I doubt I will spend money on most of these new guns, but they are still interesting."
And that's where I strongly... almost violently... disagree.
"TFB TV Showtime had a video about new Diamondback snubnose revolvers."
[barf]
Although it is interesting to note that if you apply enough hydraulic pressure to a cow pie you can make a revolver...
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Where are the tactical flintlocks?
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Where are the tactical flintlocks?
You snigger, but I saw a T/C Storm that someone had outfitted with a Picatinny rails, a light, a red dot, and a custom made ready tube carrier (basically a speed loader for muzzleloaders).
I'm not sure if it was done as fever dream exercise or if the persona was actually, well... batshit crazy.
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You snigger, but I saw a T/C Storm that someone had outfitted with a Picatinny rails, a light, a red dot, and a custom made ready tube carrier (basically a speed loader for muzzleloaders).
I'm not sure if it was done as fever dream exercise or if the persona was actually, well... batshit crazy.
Seen that before but not a Flintlock so there. :P
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You snigger, but I saw a T/C Storm that someone had outfitted with a Picatinny rails, a light, a red dot, and a custom made ready tube carrier (basically a speed loader for muzzleloaders).
I'm not sure if it was done as fever dream exercise or if the persona was actually, well... batshit crazy.
I think I may have seen that also. It could have been a photoshop, but I don't know. Inrangetv has done some cool black powder videos showing his paper cartridge loads. Seems like that was pretty tactical for the time.
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"I doubt I will spend money on most of these new guns, but they are still interesting."
And that's where I strongly... almost violently... disagree.
"TFB TV Showtime had a video about new Diamondback snubnose revolvers."
[barf]
Although it is interesting to note that if you apply enough hydraulic pressure to a cow pie you can make a revolver...
We do not yet know how to turn organic carbon into iron. You could probably turn it into gun powder (or coal).
I like seeing new gun stuff even if half of it will work poorly and require redesign before it is something we would want to buy. I am an engineer so maybe I have different tastes in guns.
And yes, I have seen mixed reviews of Diamondback's 22 revolver. I don't think I would touch their other revolvers if I was in the market for one. The Kimber revolver I have is nice, but too light to comfortably shoot 357 loads.
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"We do not yet know how to turn organic carbon into iron. You could probably turn it into gun powder (or coal)."
Jesus wept, Sheldon... Sarcasm.
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"We do not yet know how to turn organic carbon into iron. You could probably turn it into gun powder (or coal)."
Jesus wept, Sheldon... Sarcasm.
I guess I need to add smiley faces to my posts sometimes.
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No one has introduced a new revolver design in the last 30 years that I'd even remotely consider spending money on.
It seems like most of what's coming out these days follows the "slap another half dozen rails on it, throw in an optical sight, find some more surfaces to checker, and call it the hyper turbo super duper tactical practical ultimate Sasquatch model! That will wet some panties! And a brace! Don't forget a brace! Know what? Throw two on it for good measure! We'll call it the PBB (pistol brace brace)"
https://youtu.be/1GCbIMk5A78?t=512
Not a new design, no rails, no optics, no comps, not even really a new color. You should be nice and comfortable.
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https://youtu.be/BJsrZ21jxHA?t=830
Henry has a new lever gun. Rotating bolt, detachable box mag and threaded barrel. Comes in 5.56 or .300BLK I could see this being a pretty handy ranch gun in the side by side. With a can, and not opening the bolt it's probably hearing safe or close, and won't gas you. Handy rifle to have nearby if you see a predator and have a shot while working. .300BLK with heavy subs would be good for hogs around here to.
The receiver has a very Browning A5 vibe to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLO1qUX9-g
PWS has a caliber convertible rifle. meh, I just have multiple guns, but the barrel is cool, they added a bore evacuation chamber to it, which I'd really like to try out. He talks about the barrel right about the 1 min mark.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLO1qUX9-g
PWS has a caliber convertible rifle. meh, I just have multiple guns, but the barrel is cool, they added a bore evacuation chamber to it, which I'd really like to try out. He talks about the barrel right about the 1 min mark.
I saw that. If they wanted me to buy it, they shouldn't have sold me the three other rifles I have from them. =D
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https://youtu.be/1GCbIMk5A78?t=512
Not a new design, no rails, no optics, no comps, not even really a new color. You should be nice and comfortable.
Blued revolvers are very nice looking.
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https://youtu.be/1GCbIMk5A78?t=512
Not a new design, no rails, no optics, no comps, not even really a new color. You should be nice and comfortable.
I wouldn't have spent money on a Python even when Colt was making them the first time around.
Who in the name of *expletive deleted*ing hell thought it would be a good idea to put a VENTILATED RIB on a revolver?
Some jackass who thought he was going to be armor to the next James Bond movie is my bet.
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I wouldn't have spent money on a Python even when Colt was making them the first time around.
Who in the name of *expletive deleted*ing hell thought it would be a good idea to put a VENTILATED RIB on a revolver?
Some jackass who thought he was going to be armor to the next James Bond movie is my bet.
:laugh:
You need to run with this. Post a picture of every new gun along with your comments. That would make an entertaining thread. =)
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You can take the writer out of the NRA, but you can't take the NRA out of the writer....
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https://youtube.com/shorts/gcC2YFp-Ga8?si=zwtABCOuY_dLVOrI
Titanium foam silencer.
I wonder how you clean it when it starts to get clogged.
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You can take the writer out of the NRA, but you can't take the NRA out of the writer....
=D
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https://youtube.com/shorts/gcC2YFp-Ga8?si=zwtABCOuY_dLVOrI
Titanium foam silencer.
I wonder how you clean it when it starts to get clogged.
He said it's like a sponge, so I assume you just wring it out. =D
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I don't have a video link, but Walther has a steel frame line for the PDP now. All sizes and several options.
If you know anyone that likes walther ergos.......
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A video just for the new Diamondback .357 revolver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXwcMvczQYE
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So how do we set up the collection to buy K Frame his very own Diamondback revolver?
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So how do we set up the collection to buy K Frame his very own Diamondback revolver?
He doesn't like Stainless. He needs the Rock Island 38 Special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWR43NARZY8
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If An AR15 & An MP5 Had A Baby | Zenith F-56 | Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iho25jDEoM
This one is roller-delayed so I guess they are going for the HK action.
There are a lot of new non-AR tactical rifles this year. I am curious how many will get released and fall short in reviews/testing. Of course, the over/under $2000 is something to consider also.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/gcC2YFp-Ga8?si=zwtABCOuY_dLVOrI
Titanium foam silencer.
I wonder how you clean it when it starts to get clogged.
Now THAT is interesting as hell!
I had NO clue that you could 3-D print titanium. That's pretty fascinating.
My guess is that cleaning would be done in an ultrasonic bath?
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A video just for the new Diamondback .357 revolver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXwcMvczQYE
OK, I'll admit that one is interesting.
21 ounce 5-shot .357 Mag. Actually looks fairly good.
Two points of concern... Push button cylinder release and the push button cylinder latch. Not necessarily a bad idea, but I'd want to really put one through a full range of adverse handling drills to make damned certain that those aren't a liability.
I'm impressed that they took the time to counterbore the chambers so that the cartridge rim fits flush with the rear of the cylinder instead of standing above it. That's an expensive extra step in the manufacturing process.
And, to be honest, the price doesn't seem that bad.
OK, the fact that it is soulless steel? Yeah, I don't like that. I find matte finish soulless steel to be a lot more tolerable. High polish? No thank you.
Price is surprisingly good, and it's a J frame grip frame so that's a big plus.
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A video just for the new Diamondback .357 revolver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXwcMvczQYE
My first handgun was a .22 Diamondback with 2 1/2" barrel . . . except mine was made by Colt. (8th grade graduation present from my Dad. =) )
https://youtube.com/shorts/gcC2YFp-Ga8?si=zwtABCOuY_dLVOrI
Titanium foam silencer.
I wonder how you clean it when it starts to get clogged.
I've often thought if done properly a metal "foam" core would make for a good suppressor. (Didn't the ATF determine "Chore Boy" scrubbers were suppressor components?) IIRC, Gary Powers was supposed to be carrying a High Standard .22 in which the barrel had been drilled with multiple holes, wrapped with steel wool, and covered with a can. If true, it probably ended up in the KGB museum after his U-2 was shot down. The point being, these woven/nonwoven metals would be more or less analogous to open cell metal foam.
Probably the only way to clean it would be by a soak - and I wonder how the very thin material would hold up to repeated ultrasonic cleanings; granted it's titanium, but one of the tests of an ultrasonic cleaner is to see if it perforates aluminum foil. Really thin titanium strands in foam form? I simply don't know. And I don't want to spend the $$$ to find out myself.
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He doesn't like Stainless. He needs the Rock Island 38 Special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWR43NARZY8
I've got 8 .357 Magnums and... 6 .38 Specials? Something like that.
I don't need any more.
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I actually just saw that Rock Island pop up on a video elsewhere in a 4" length in .38 Special. Ever since I stupidly got rid of my Model 10 many years ago, I've always had kind of a "background hankerin' " for a 4" .38 just to have and for letting new shooters try. The reviews seem to indicate that the Rock Island is actually a good value. I wouldn't pay the prices the big names are asking for revolvers these days for a gun that won't be shot a lot, but under $300? Sure.
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I've often thought if done properly a metal "foam" core would make for a good suppressor. (Didn't the ATF determine "Chore Boy" scrubbers were suppressor components?) IIRC, Gary Powers was supposed to be carrying a High Standard .22 in which the barrel had been drilled with multiple holes, wrapped with steel wool, and covered with a can. If true, it probably ended up in the KGB museum after his U-2 was shot down. The point being, these woven/nonwoven metals would be more or less analogous to open cell metal foam.
Yep. My first Form 1 can was basically a barrel extension with holes that I rapped very tightly in steel screen material and put an outer tube over. Worked pretty well, .22LR down to the level of a BB gun or so.
And as Gun Jesus mentioned the M3 Grease gun silencers were metal mesh.
I have a 3D printed Huxwrks 5.56 can that works well, but I'm concerned about cleaning and longevity on it as well. The numerous small passages are really good for letting gas cool and expand, but can get clogged. Like K-Frame mentioned an US cleaner is one method. Huxwrks says soak it in CLP to loosen the carbon then shoot it, and it'll all com out the front. Haven't tried that yet on mine.
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"My first Form 1 can was basically a barrel extension with holes that I rapped very tightly in steel screen material..."
Basically the concept used in the US made suppressor or the M3 grease gun .
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Ever since I stupidly got rid of my Model 10 many years ago, I've always had kind of a "background hankerin' " for a 4" .38 just to have and for letting new shooters try.
I picked up a police trade in Model 15 for that role some years ago. I think I paid $289 for it. I will likely never sell it, because I can't get another at a price I'm willing to pay.
I too have heard good things about the RIA revolvers.
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So even though I've owned cans for a while now, I still don't know enough about the different manufacturing methods to figure out the clean/don't clean thing. My Liberty Cosmic is "kinda clean it if you want to". My Rex Silentium is "Don't clean it". I think my Sig says "self-cleaning".
I was just watching the Shadow Systems video on their new can and they specifically said they manufactured it so the user can't clean the baffles.
I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with the various manufacturing methods and materials, but it's incredibly confusing.
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I actually just saw that Rock Island pop up on a video elsewhere in a 4" length in .38 Special. Ever since I stupidly got rid of my Model 10 many years ago, I've always had kind of a "background hankerin' " for a 4" .38 just to have and for letting new shooters try. The reviews seem to indicate that the Rock Island is actually a good value. I wouldn't pay the prices the big names are asking for revolvers these days for a gun that won't be shot a lot, but under $300? Sure.
I have the Kimber K6 Target. 4" barrel, 357 Mag. It is a nice looking revolver, light and slim. It is not comfortable to shoot 357 loads. 38 special is fine. For a carry revolver that isn't snub nose, it is great. That is just not what I use revolvers for. My 3" S&W 7 shot revolver handles 357 much better.
I tend to agree that revolver prices are up there. Got to be a special gun to catch my interest these days.
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Yep. My first Form 1 can was basically a barrel extension with holes that I rapped very tightly in steel screen material and put an outer tube over. Worked pretty well, .22LR down to the level of a BB gun or so.
And as Gun Jesus mentioned the M3 Grease gun silencers were metal mesh.
I have a 3D printed Huxwrks 5.56 can that works well, but I'm concerned about cleaning and longevity on it as well. The numerous small passages are really good for letting gas cool and expand, but can get clogged. Like K-Frame mentioned an US cleaner is one method. Huxwrks says soak it in CLP to loosen the carbon then shoot it, and it'll all com out the front. Haven't tried that yet on mine.
I have teh Huxwrk in 5.56 and 7.62. I haven't cleaned them, but I am not sure I have put enough rounds through them to consider it. I figure if I stick with supersonic ammo, they should both last as long as I need. For the foam, I am curious if you could just heat it up with a good firing session then maybe blow it out.
I have already heard rifle suppressors get cleaned after thousands of rounds. Gonna be a while before I do that to one of my rifles much less a suppressor.
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So even though I've owned cans for a while now, I still don't know enough about the different manufacturing methods to figure out the clean/don't clean thing. My Liberty Cosmic is "kinda clean it if you want to". My Rex Silentium is "Don't clean it". I think my Sig says "self-cleaning".
I was just watching the Shadow Systems video on their new can and they specifically said they manufactured it so the user can't clean the baffles.
I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with the various manufacturing methods and materials, but it's incredibly confusing.
*Very Roughly*:
Rifle cans don't normally need to be cleaned, and most can't really be cleaned (They are often welded shut). The gas of a rifle cartridge is generally hot enough and moving fast enough that while it lays carbon down, not that much, and successive shots will knock the carbon out.
Pistol Cans often need to be cleaned for the same reason, or rather that the gasses aren't moving fast enough to knock the carbon out so you get build up over time and have to do something about it. Pistol can's normally can be disassembled for this reason.
.22 and rimfire cans are the worst about getting dirty because in addition to the low pressure not self cleaning, rimfire bullets are often unjacketed so you get lead and carbon build up. IME .22 cans need to be cleaned the most frequently and as far as I know all commercially produced rimfire cans are made to be disassembled.
Ultrasonic baths work well as long as there is NO ALUMINIUM pars in them. For example my Rugged Occulus .22 can has an aluminium outer tube and titatinum (I think) baffles. THe instructions say to throw the baffles in an US, but not the tube. US cleaners will eat softer metals like that.
^^^All that is for "Traditional" baffled and monocore cans. THe newer 3D printed cans have way more complicated insides and the community is still seeing how they work. As mentioned, my Flow556 says to soak it in CLP then shoot the carbon out. I'm not sure what other makers with the flow through designs and smaller ports are saying.
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I have teh Huxwrk in 5.56 and 7.62. I haven't cleaned them, but I am not sure I have put enough rounds through them to consider it. I figure if I stick with supersonic ammo, they should both last as long as I need. For the foam, I am curious if you could just heat it up with a good firing session then maybe blow it out.
I have already heard rifle suppressors get cleaned after thousands of rounds. Gonna be a while before I do that to one of my rifles much less a suppressor.
Huxwrk says every 2500-3000 rounds clean it to extend supressor life. In contrast Surefire says the RC2 (regular baffles) doesn't need interior cleaning, but you can do it every 10,000 rounds if you want.
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OK, I'll admit that one is interesting.
21 ounce 5-shot .357 Mag. Actually looks fairly good.
Two points of concern... Push button cylinder release and the push button cylinder latch. Not necessarily a bad idea, but I'd want to really put one through a full range of adverse handling drills to make damned certain that those aren't a liability.
Ruger's used a pushbutton for many years on all their DA revolvers. Not, AFAIK, any sort of problem.
The cylinder release, yeah, we've not seen that often. Korth. And Taurus. (Oh, yeah, them.)
I'm impressed that they took the time to counterbore the chambers so that the cartridge rim fits flush with the rear of the cylinder instead of standing above it. That's an expensive extra step in the manufacturing process.
What they did with the chambers in the cylinder I'd be worried about. Ruger did that deeply scalloped style for the original .38 LCR. When they did the .357 version they thickened those right back up to what we're used to seeing. Will the cylinder on this Diamonback hold up?
And, Diamondback itself. How are they on customer support?
And, to be honest, the price doesn't seem that bad.
OK, the fact that it is soulless steel? Yeah, I don't like that. I find matte finish soulless steel to be a lot more tolerable. High polish? No thank you.
Price is surprisingly good, and it's a J frame grip frame so that's a big plus.
I've got 8 .357 Magnums and... 6 .38 Specials? Something like that.
I don't need any more.
yep, don't need anything more than what I got.
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"Ruger's used a pushbutton for many years on all their DA revolvers. Not, AFAIK, any sort of problem."
Yes they have. But that's not a Ruger made or designed revolver so there's no way of telling if the system is better, worse, or the same.
"he cylinder release, yeah, we've not seen that often. Korth. And Taurus. (Oh, yeah, them.)"
See above.
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Aero Precision Bolt Guns! Complete Rifles, Actions, & Chassis | SHOTShow 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RIbjNFDf3w
I got an email today from Aero Precision. Advertising a free 30 cal K suppressor with a barreled action. Of course, the actions are just under $1200. I think that is comparable to other AR chasis bolt actions, but I don't normally look at those.
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I saw a used S&W K17 .22 with a longish barrel at a local gun store, just browsing at lunch. I might have to go back there after work.
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Revolver for K-Frame: >:D
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/shot-show-2024-taurus-adds-the-327-magnum-to-the-t-o-r-o-line/amp/
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Thermal Pistol Optic!?! | Holosun | Shot Show 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbx-iV7LSg
Holosun night vision / thermal options. The concept thermal optic involves a pistol red dot that has a thermal overlay from light/thermal device. Sounds cool if it works out.
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Just had to share this:
https://twitter.com/monsterhunter45/status/1750640101510496596
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Revolver for K-Frame: >:D
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/shot-show-2024-taurus-adds-the-327-magnum-to-the-t-o-r-o-line/amp/
Not the worst thing I've seen, actually.
Although I still wouldn't trust one as a primary defensive gun, Taurus revolvers have come a LONG way since what they were in the 1980s.
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Gotta say I'm with K-Frame here. Nothing has popped up that I've thought "I'd love to have that." Everything is tacticool rails and optics. I've posted about it before. I remember back in my youth going to tge sporting goods store with my dad, and spending most of my time staring at cases of blued steel and wood. I miss metal guns, personalizing with new grips, and leather holsters.
God, I got old, didn't I?
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I like wood and steel, but I don't need EVERYTHING to be that way. Some stuff needs to be light weight, have mounts for lights, and a good way to mount optics.
I can see myself buying the Daniel Defense H9. Assuming the first run works out okay with reviewers and others. That PSA 37mm flare launcher looks sweet. Outside of that, not much.
I did see a note that one of the companies would be making wood furniture for AR's. =)
This is one wood and steel gun I want, but it is 2023.
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-pap-m77-battleworn-wood-furniture-308win-7-62x51/
(https://dkfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Zastava-Arms-PAP-M77-Battleworn-Wood-Furniture-308WIN-7.62x51.jpg)
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This is one wood and steel gun I want, but it is 2023.
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-pap-m77-battleworn-wood-furniture-308win-7-62x51/
(https://dkfirearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Zastava-Arms-PAP-M77-Battleworn-Wood-Furniture-308WIN-7.62x51.jpg)
Been eyeballing that for my next big purchase.
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Wood and steel?
(https://global.discourse-cdn.com/palmettostatearmory/original/3X/9/1/916f680f6ddaf534dc5e07e74427e1b9bafab520.jpeg)]
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Right now I want a .22LR handgun with a threaded barrel. I can machine things for a red dot if I need to. I also want a 9mm semi carbine that will take Glock 17/19 magazines.
Gonna happen within the next year or so.
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Right now I want a .22LR handgun with a threaded barrel. I can machine things for a red dot if I need to. I also want a 9mm semi carbine that will take Glock 17/19 magazines.
Gonna happen within the next year or so.
I recently picked up a FN 502 Tactical and am really happy with it. It shoots really well. Suppresses very well. All around a great gun. Highly recommend.
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Wood and steel?
(https://global.discourse-cdn.com/palmettostatearmory/original/3X/9/1/916f680f6ddaf534dc5e07e74427e1b9bafab520.jpeg)]
I'd like one of those . . . with a binary trigger. Looks like a fun gun to play with, but from reading about it I'd expect production guns to be in the $2k range, perhaps a bit higher. Too much for a range toy I'd probably only shoot a couple of times and put in the back of my safe. (If I still had any room. :rofl: ) I'll spend my money elsewhere.
. . . Everything is tacticool rails and optics. . .
When it comes to firearms and accessories, quite often "Tactical" is code for "Overpriced and underperforming."
My rule of thumb is "The more impressive the ad copy, the less impressive the product." So if something is called "Ultimate tactical spec ops fire dragon ninja master class pro grade" . . . it probably won't work at all. :old:
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I recently picked up a FN 502 Tactical and am really happy with it. It shoots really well. Suppresses very well. All around a great gun. Highly recommend.
Good to know. There is also a Walther/Colt 1911 22LR that works pretty well and comes with a threaded barrel adapter. Works well suppressed. I got it before Glock and FN came out with theirs.
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I'd like one of those . . . with a binary trigger. Looks like a fun gun to play with, but from reading about it I'd expect production guns to be in the $2k range, perhaps a bit higher. Too much for a range toy I'd probably only shoot a couple of times and put in the back of my safe. (If I still had any room. :rofl: ) I'll spend my money elsewhere.
When it comes to firearms and accessories, quite often "Tactical" is code for "Overpriced and underperforming."
My rule of thumb is "The more impressive the ad copy, the less impressive the product." So if something is called "Ultimate tactical spec ops fire dragon ninja master class pro grade" . . . it probably won't work at all. :old:
I wouldn't say they are worse, but the value per dollar gets lower. You can get a solid AR for $1000 to $1500 depending on how "good" you want it to be. Beyond that, you are paying for premium stuff that may or may not be worth it.
That changes with some of the non-AR military rifle designs. Many are worse than a good AR, but the unique design means the base cost is higher.
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Seen at SHOT show:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEvs3GObMAAUest?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Now the question is was that done on purpose or not?
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Just had to share this:
https://twitter.com/monsterhunter45/status/1750640101510496596
Just how big of a *expletive deleted*up at your regular job at the BATFE do you have to be to get assigned to the SHOT show? ???
bob
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Operating tactical operator glock fanboys ain't gonna talk to that fellow...
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https://youtu.be/vnVrDE8RMm4?si=d5n5GwXkm3d2fcte
AR15.com guy and Brownells gun smith talking about their top products at SHOT show. Different tastes.
I bet if you were at SHOT Show, you could probably spend all day looking at Wood/Steel guns and accessories. However, I bet those don't get the Youtube views and interest from the majority of the gun enthusiasts who spend money.
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https://youtu.be/vnVrDE8RMm4?si=d5n5GwXkm3d2fcte
AR15.com guy and Brownells gun smith talking about their top products at SHOT show. Different tastes.
I bet if you were at SHOT Show, you could probably spend all day looking at Wood/Steel guns and accessories. However, I bet those don't get the Youtube views and interest from the majority of the gun enthusiasts who spend money.
Thank you. I watched the whole video and couldn't figure out who that guy was. I've seen him in a few Brownells videos.
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I met him at the NRA Show in Houston last time it was here. I don't remember his name. He was at their booth with the rest of their guys answer questions and helping people.
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One of the Classic Firearms videos talked to Taurus. They are making a single action army revolver with a transfer bar safety. Might be interesting at the right price.
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Gotta say I'm with K-Frame here. Nothing has popped up that I've thought "I'd love to have that." Everything is tacticool rails and optics. I've posted about it before. I remember back in my youth going to tge sporting goods store with my dad, and spending most of my time staring at cases of blued steel and wood. I miss metal guns, personalizing with new grips, and leather holsters.
God, I got old, didn't I?
You just have a discerning nature, TOM. Not a damned thing wrong with that.
All these frigging yunguns oohing and aahing over a bunch of shiny baubles, on the other hand...
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Bilson Arms BA-15FC Pump Style Forward Charging Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7XQFnVJaI
Pump action for charging the rifle. Not sure what I think of this. Seems like more stuff on the rifle for a benefit that isn't enough.
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Bilson Arms BA-15FC Pump Style Forward Charging Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7XQFnVJaI
Pump action for charging the rifle. Not sure what I think of this. Seems like more stuff on the rifle for a benefit that isn't enough.
Yeah, I look at that and think....
what's the point?
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Bilson Arms BA-15FC Pump Style Forward Charging Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG7XQFnVJaI
Pump action for charging the rifle. Not sure what I think of this. Seems like more stuff on the rifle for a benefit that isn't enough.
Yeah, I look at that and think....
what's the point?
From a while back. Yeah....
(https://ctfirearmsauction.com/content/uploads/2022/05/romanian-par-1-7-62x39mm-pump-action-ak-rifle-305_1-1-scaled.jpg)
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Yeah, I look at that and think....
what's the point?
IMO, it is more gimmick than useful. If you gotta have bolt charging up front, it is probably better to get a different design rifle than add all that stuff to an AR.
And since it is still semi-auto, it doesn't help with any laws.
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If your AR jams enough to require that it's a sign you need to
Change your ammo
Or change your mags
Or change your gun
Or all the above
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New Smith & Wesson "Ultimate Carry" Airweight Revolvers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbmbcBoCcJg
Adding Novak style rear sight. Modified grip design. Modified trigger design. A few other small changes.
I am not sure if this is a standard model or a Lipseye's exclusive.
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Looking for that video, this video showed up from Honest Outlaw. Not new, but cool.
S&W 327 2 Inch 8 Shot 357 Magnum Snub Nose Revolver Full Review: Concealed Carry With Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9_ZErYpyrY
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The Serbian RPK is Coming to the US: Zastava M72 LMG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3KkX9ttXaQ
Not sure if this was posted already. I really like the looks of Zastava AK's. Not sure I want this one, an even heavier Zastava. It does look cool. I would be more interested if I could get it full auto.
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Looking for that video, this video showed up from Honest Outlaw. Not new, but cool.
S&W 327 2 Inch 8 Shot 357 Magnum Snub Nose Revolver Full Review: Concealed Carry With Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9_ZErYpyrY
Looks like they're not coming with The Lock - that's a good thing. (S&W did away with it on some of their own "hammerless" models, so I guess that's not a big deal for these particular revolvers.)
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The Planet of the Apes gun is back
Hi-Point Retro 995 Carbine is Coming Back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td9ZHPPucWE
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The Planet of the Apes gun is back
Hi-Point Retro 995 Carbine is Coming Back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td9ZHPPucWE
First comment I saw. =D
I really wasn't prepared to see a gun from 1995 described as "vintage".
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I always said that they should have named it the 1995, because that's how much it looks like it should cost...
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I found one that is interesting...Kahr X9
https://youtu.be/ncFmVm0cy-c?si=aq7W4vYBp7HVuSwh
Yeah, it's not special to look at. Another small 9mm, optics ready double stack. What make me take note is that it uses Kahr's mag...or SIG P365 mags...or Springfield Hellcat mags. Don't particularly want one, but I find it to be interesting from a design/engineering standpoint for using different mags from different manufacturers.
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New Smith & Wesson "Ultimate Carry" Airweight Revolvers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbmbcBoCcJg
Adding Novak style rear sight. Modified grip design. Modified trigger design. A few other small changes.
I am not sure if this is a standard model or a Lipseye's exclusive.
Carry revolvers is most of what I paid attention to this year. Most of what I've seen is obvious additions to existing lines. This is, yeah, a good thing for the (small) fraction of the market that uses snubbies and knows why they might want this.
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Meh.
And Jesus, another optics ready handgun...
When in the hell are gun makers going to get out of the middle ages and get into the modern age? RADAR! RADAR READY! THAT'S WHAT WE NEED!
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Just thought of something...
I bet the true cause of all of these optics ready handguns is...
CLIMATE CHANGE!
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Meh.
And Jesus, another optics ready handgun...
When in the hell are gun makers going to get out of the middle ages and get into the modern age? RADAR! RADAR READY! THAT'S WHAT WE NEED!
There is the lab radar to track bullet velocity.
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John Crump put up a couple videos. First one: apparently the ATF has instructions not to talk to him. On the second: Just two people talking, but he said the ATF was going to start doing batch processing of forms. If you submit multiple forms, they will process them together like it was one form. Might speed up some approvals.
https://playeur.com/v/-PPdDqszRwm
https://playeur.com/v/uzZmCR5GQHO
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I haven't gone through the whole thread to see if it's been mentioned, but there might be a nitrocellulose shortage coming:
https://www.sgammo.com/ammo-canisters-news-shotshow-sgammo
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I haven't gone through the whole thread to see if it's been mentioned, but there might be a nitrocellulose shortage coming:
https://www.sgammo.com/ammo-canisters-news-shotshow-sgammo
On the 155mm shells, I can't remember where I saw it yesterday, and don't know how accurate it is, but they said Ukraine is asking for 200,000 155mm shells per month, and the US normally produces ~15,000 per month.
So far I've seen a slight increase in ammo prices this month over last month, but who knows what's coming.
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On the 155mm shells, I can't remember where I saw it yesterday, and don't know how accurate it is, but they said Ukraine is asking for 200,000 155mm shells per month, and the US normally produces ~15,000 per month.
So far I've seen a slight increase in ammo prices this month over last month, but who knows what's coming.
From stuff I have seen, they are getting shells from nations all through NATO and elsewhere.
The US started a project to expand Lake City production before the Ukraine war started. I don't think they were getting to 200K, but it was a big increase.
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https://www.brownells.com/guns/handguns/revolvers/sw-642-.38spl-stainless-5rd-revolver-no-internal-lock/?avad=190366_e37039001&aid=152894&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=152894&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-152894
Is this price low for 2024? They used to sell for this price quite often. I was wondering if the price was reduced to make room for the newer models?
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https://www.brownells.com/guns/handguns/revolvers/sw-642-.38spl-stainless-5rd-revolver-no-internal-lock/?avad=190366_e37039001&aid=152894&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=152894&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-152894
Is this price low for 2024? They used to sell for this price quite often. I was wondering if the price was reduced to make room for the newer models?
That's the lowest I've seen on a 642 in a LONG time. Bud's has them for $475. Classic has been sold out of them for months.
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Said they should have a 22WMR in the fall.
Rock River Arms’ Gas Operated Blowback 17 HMR Rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dF1btM2RMw
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Apparently S&W is bringing back a 6-shot J frame chambered in .32 H&R Mag.
If they bring it out in the 442-style package I may very well spring for one.
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Apparently S&W is bringing back a 6-shot J frame chambered in .32 H&R Mag.
If they bring it out in the 442-style package I may very well spring for one.
I'd be interested in a 442/642 in .32 Mag. Be a good dog-walking companion.
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Okay, who ask for this?
[SHOT 2024] Diamondback Firearms Tommy Gun-Style AR and SDR Revolver
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/29/shot-2024-diamondback-firearms-tommy-gun-style-ar-sdr-revolver/
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New build SKS style firearm
In an innovative move for 2024, Canadian engineer Ryan Pearce has developed the SK-X, a modernized take on the classic SKS rifle. Pearce has engineered a new-model SKS-style action rifle that preserves the recognizable features of the original while introducing a myriad of new upgrades.
For enthusiasts willing to bet on this firearm, there is a pre-order option available at $1,750 on the SK-X’s official website, SKXRifles.com
$1,750 for what's basically a taci-cool SKS? Oh heck no, hard pass.
[SHOT 2024] SK-X: Building A Better SKS In 2024
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/29/shot-2024-sk-x-building-better-sks-2024/
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[SHOT 2024] The A-Team Is Back: Ruger Reintroduces Folding Stock Mini 14
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/27/shot-2024-the-a-team-is-back-ruger-reintroduces-folding-stock-mini-14/
MSRP $1,849 :O
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New build SKS style firearm
$1,750 for what's basically a taci-cool SKS? Oh heck no, hard pass.
[SHOT 2024] SK-X: Building A Better SKS In 2024
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/29/shot-2024-sk-x-building-better-sks-2024/
Not Ill-i-noise friendly, alas.
Come on SCOTUS, do the right thing.
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Here's Everytown/The smoking Gun
Apparently they have issues with not only the semi-autos (shocker) but those gosh darn deadly assault lever actions
Deadly Innovations from the 2024 SHOT Show
https://smokinggun.org/deadly-innovations-from-the-2024-shot-show/
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Here's Everytown/The smoking Gun
Apparently they have issues with not only the semi-autos (shocker) but those gosh darn deadly assault lever actions
Deadly Innovations from the 2024 SHOT Show
https://smokinggun.org/deadly-innovations-from-the-2024-shot-show/
That article is both comical and infuriating.
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[SHOT 2024] The A-Team Is Back: Ruger Reintroduces Folding Stock Mini 14
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/27/shot-2024-the-a-team-is-back-ruger-reintroduces-folding-stock-mini-14/
MSRP $1,849 :O
I remember back when Ruger used to advertise the standard stock Mini-14 as "The World's Most Expensive Plinker" . . . with an MSRP of $200.
$1849? No. One can get an AR pattern rifle - a good one - for less.
(The A-Team? In the five years or so that show was on TV, did they ever - EVER! - manage to actually hit anyone with those folding stock Mini-14s?)
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(The A-Team? In the five years or so that show was on TV, did they ever - EVER! - manage to actually hit anyone with those folding stock Mini-14s?)
Less true of the Mini-14s of today (5800 series) but not too far off the mark with the older ones
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/mini14Humor.png)
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New build SKS style firearm
$1,750 for what's basically a taci-cool SKS? Oh heck no, hard pass.
Maybe it is for the Canadian market. The designer is from Canada. I know their gun bans are fairly arbitrary I think SKS rifles are OK, but AKs and AR15s aren't.
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[SHOT 2024] The A-Team Is Back: Ruger Reintroduces Folding Stock Mini 14
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/01/27/shot-2024-the-a-team-is-back-ruger-reintroduces-folding-stock-mini-14/
MSRP $1,849 :O
You can buy the folding stock now. The metal and wood stock is $250 or so. I was close to buying a mini-30 a couple years ago, but decided not to.
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Maybe it is for the Canadian market. The designer is from Canada. I know their gun bans are fairly arbitrary I think SKS rifles are OK, but AKs and AR15s aren't.
That makes sense. There was a Canadian rifle a couple years ago that had a "similar" lower to the AR, but the pin holes were off just enough you couldn't mount an AR lower to avoid legal limits.
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Here's Everytown/The smoking Gun
Apparently they have issues with not only the semi-autos (shocker) but those gosh darn deadly assault lever actions
Deadly Innovations from the 2024 SHOT Show
https://smokinggun.org/deadly-innovations-from-the-2024-shot-show/
Reading that dropped my IQ by 10 points.
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That article is both comical and infuriating.
The obtuseness - it burns. Assuming the author was able to attend SHOT via press credentials, I wonder how long she was able to stay at the show before retiring to Starbucks to weep, meditate, and recover.
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Less true of the Mini-14s of today (5800 series) but not too far off the mark with the older ones
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/x383/WLJohnson1/mini14Humor.png)
They're actually not all that bad - I've done some plinking with an old (circa 1976 "200th year of American Liberty") Mini-14 and even with the factory iron sights, groups were in roughly the 3" range at 100 yards. Not a tack driver by any means, but I've seen worse out of some SKS rifles and M1 carbines.
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They're actually not all that bad - I've done some plinking with an old (circa 1976 "200th year of American Liberty") Mini-14 and even with the factory iron sights, groups were in roughly the 3" range at 100 yards. Not a tack driver by any means, but I've seen worse out of some SKS rifles and M1 carbines.
Same for me. My Dad has one and you can do 4 or 5 inch groups easily enough. Not sure how much better I could do with good ammo. I would say it meets minimum combat accuracy, but a good AR will beat it most days. I really don't know if my 5.56 AK rifle is much better.