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Title: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: roo_ster on July 08, 2008, 06:00:41 AM
Gotta love this.



http://www.theagitator.com/2008/07/05/dwi-arrest-at-00/

DWI Arrest at 0.0
Saturday, July 5th, 2008

Woman was a designated driver. Didnt have a drop to drink all night. She refused a roadside sobriety test because . . . well, because theyre utter bullshit (and unlike a blood or breath test, youre allowed to refuse the roadside test). Im sure its pure coincidence that her husband, who was in the car, is a DWI defense attorney, and had just beaten the cop in question in court.

In any case, after her arrest and incarceration, prosecutors were forced to quietly drop the charges when her blood test came back 0.0. Now, ask yourself how the officer writes the following about a stone sober woman:

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    Its interesting to read the affidavit that Officer Gonzalez wrote that night about Heather Squires, intending to ask the Motor Vehicles Division of ADOT to yank her license. (He never mailed it  possibly because of the blood-test results.)

    It describes bloodshot and watery eyes.

    Flushed face.

    Strong odor of an alcoholic beverage emitting from breath.

The New Times writer adds:

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    Honestly, I dont want to believe that Officer Gonzalez sought out the lawyer who beat him in court  and then penalized his wife when shed done nothing wrong.

    But a rogue cop is almost preferable to a system thats stacked against motorists who want nothing more than to get home at night. Those people might not be as sober as Heather Squires proved to be, but after one or two drinks, Im willing to bet that they dont have bloodshot eyes or reek of booze. Youre still going to read that in the police report.

This isnt the first time pre-written, xeroxed or boilerplate DWI reports have come up. Not the first time someones been arrested at 0.0, either.

The Mesa Police Department is standing behind the officer.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Manedwolf on July 08, 2008, 06:02:26 AM
Bloodshot and watery eyes? What, like...allergy?
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: MechAg94 on July 08, 2008, 06:08:32 AM
Perhaps due to something like hanging out in a smoky bar all night without drinking?  Too much caffeine from drinking coke?
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: El Tejon on July 08, 2008, 06:39:39 AM
What?  We are having an OWI thread and no one tells me? grin

0.0 BAC OWIs are not uncommon but we usually have pills, dope or huffing going on.

I anticipate a lawsuit over this alleged false arrest.





Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: vaskidmark on July 08, 2008, 01:32:27 PM
What?  We are having an OWI thread and no one tells me? grin

0.0 BAC OWIs are not uncommon but we usually have pills, dope or huffing going on.

I anticipate a lawsuit over this alleged false arrest.

Spoken like a true tile crawler.  angel

I do so enjoy when events that are on public record as having occurred are still referred to as "alleged."

As for the department standing behind Officer Gonzalez, I imagine that is the safest place to be considering all the brickbats and legal papers that are going to be thrown his way.

I have no knowledge of procedures in Officer Gonzalez's department, but locally once you hit the booking desk you get a cursory medical look-over with findings written down.  Sure would be fun to see how fast the designated driver "recovered" from the state described in the affidavit.

stay safe.

skidmark
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Grandpa Shooter on July 08, 2008, 08:20:45 PM
Arizona has been on a witchhunt for a decade now.  They even sit outside sporting venues just waiting for someone to turn the key in the ignition.  If you are behind the wheel with the motor running, you are DUI to them.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: ilbob on July 09, 2008, 04:47:12 AM
unfortunately the truly dangerous practice of DUI has miorphed into the DUI industry for police. Its a relatively safe arrest and they get lots of brownie points for it, and there are a lot of fines involved.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: MechAg94 on July 09, 2008, 05:23:51 AM
If it were just stiff fines, that would be easier, but in Texas it is practically a felony and will cost you a whole lot of money over the next 10 or 15 years. 
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: zahc on July 09, 2008, 05:44:56 AM
more info please (recently moved to TX) angel
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 09, 2008, 05:46:43 AM
In the company I work for that would have cost me my job, I have a driving position. No appeal, no second chance, get the ticket get a pink slip, game over.
I hope they can sue and bury the rogue cop.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 09, 2008, 05:48:41 AM
Even if the arrest turns out to be bogus and the charges dropped?
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 09, 2008, 09:21:42 AM
Yup, even if. I'm sure there are other people in similar situations but thats the way it goes down for me. If I get the ticket I'm unemployed.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: roo_ster on July 09, 2008, 09:26:47 AM
Yes, in some cases the process is the punishment.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Nitrogen on July 09, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
It's worse in Texas.

Texas being the state that tried to arrest people for public drunkenness INSIDE OF A BAR.

This kind of stuff happens in Texas a LOT.  Basically, DUI/DWI laws here are exactly what the DA/Judge says they are.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: MechAg94 on July 09, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
MADD has gotten a bit unhinged here in Texas.  I think too many people who vote have no idea what the law says.  Someone says "We have to get harder on drunk drivers" and they say "Yeah!".    And then I keep hearing about guys with multiple DUI convictions who are still driving and I have to wonder what good it does. 
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: stevelyn on July 09, 2008, 02:05:26 PM
What?  We are having an OWI thread and no one tells me? grin

0.0 BAC OWIs are not uncommon but we usually have pills, dope or huffing going on.

I anticipate a lawsuit over this alleged false arrest.







Yeah, but you'd better be able to articulate document impaired driving and have it backed up with positive blood test results.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Tallpine on July 09, 2008, 03:59:24 PM
MADD has gotten a bit unhinged here in Texas.  I think too many people who vote have no idea what the law says.  Someone says "We have to get harder on drunk drivers" and they say "Yeah!".    And then I keep hearing about guys with multiple DUI convictions who are still driving and I have to wonder what good it does. 

About as much good as gun control  rolleyes
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: anygunanywhere on July 10, 2008, 04:27:33 AM
It's worse in Texas.

Texas being the state that tried to arrest people for public drunkenness INSIDE OF A BAR.

This kind of stuff happens in Texas a LOT.  Basically, DUI/DWI laws here are exactly what the DA/Judge says they are.

In Texas an individual can be arrested for DUI just on the opinion of the officer. You do not have to fail a field sobriety test. You do not have to blow into a field BACometer. If the LEO thinks you are impaired, on go the cuffs, off to the slammer.

In Texas you can refuse to take the tests legally but you automatically lose your license for 6 months on refusal to test, not DWI.

Some jurisdictions are exercising "No Refusal Weekends" like 4th of July. Judges are standing by with search warrants filled out that only need your name on them to have a cop draw your blood (in some instances).

Farewell 4th Amendment.

Anygunanywhere
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Nitrogen on July 13, 2008, 08:24:55 AM
Exactly.  This is one of the reasons I don't drink anymore after moving here.

I hope someone well-to-do enough has this happen to them, and gets this law challenged and invalidated
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Joe Demko on July 15, 2008, 10:34:18 AM
Yeah, but if you refuse the test after dark isn't it legal for them to shoot you? grin
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: ilbob on July 15, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
Bloodshot and watery eyes? What, like...allergy?
or just the weasel words the courts have pretty much agreed is all it takes for LE to justify whatever it wants to do.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Balog on July 15, 2008, 10:57:37 AM
I'm always amazed at how fascist Texas is. Registered glassware, raids on sex shops, and now pre-filled warrants? Why in the world are Texans so proud of that place?
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Joe Demko on July 15, 2008, 10:58:49 AM
It's cultural.
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: MechAg94 on July 15, 2008, 12:31:27 PM
Well, Texas is part of the Bible Belt.  Texas is pretty conservative for the most part, but it isn't very libertarian about some things.  Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll (alcohol and bars) fall under "some things".  More of a puritan streak I guess. 
Title: Re: DWI Arrest at 0.0 BAC
Post by: Nitrogen on July 16, 2008, 03:34:36 AM
I'm always amazed at how fascist Texas is. Registered glassware, raids on sex shops, and now pre-filled warrants? Why in the world are Texans so proud of that place?

I don't go to bars or sex shops, and don't drink and drive.
So it doesn't bother nearly as much as it should.