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Title: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2017, 01:19:56 PM
Delicious, delicious, patriarchy. I find it most amusing that this numbskull professor is being taken to task by more women than men.  :laugh:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/12/04/nom-nom-nom-patriarchy-is-delicious-conservative-women-roast-prof-who-says-meat-is-sexist/
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Sideways_8 on December 04, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
Well damn. I suppressed my wife this weekend then with some ribs. Or more accurately suppressed her hunger because I'm not stupid. Hungry wife is an angry wife.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Kingcreek on December 04, 2017, 01:48:10 PM
I'm pretty certain that a majority of my female ancestors going way way back were meat eaters.
Vegetarianism or worse yet, vegan is a recent and unhealthy diet.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dm1333 on December 04, 2017, 04:27:55 PM
Not to be pedantic but vegetarian diets have been around a long time.   :P
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2017, 04:54:33 PM
I'll be the middle of the road guy. O-M-N-I-V-O-R-E.

The ability to eat lots of stuff and adapt is what got us to where we are today. Specialization is for insects. :)
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 04, 2017, 04:58:08 PM
Well damn. I suppressed my wife this weekend then with some ribs. Or more accurately suppressed her hunger because I'm not stupid. Hungry wife is an angry wife.

Hangry Hangry Harpy?
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on December 04, 2017, 05:08:08 PM
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To study the link between masculinity and meat, DeLessio-Parson interviewed 23 vegetarians who live in Argentina to probe how they deal with their country’s “meat-centric” culture, finding that being vegetarian itself is a political act.

Because Argentina is such a stellar example of a non-patriarchal society.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Kingcreek on December 04, 2017, 05:39:54 PM
Not to be pedantic but vegetarian diets have been around a long time.   :P
only in a few limited cultures- none of which contributed to my DNA
The majority of known cultures of the past few thousand years have been omnivorous
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Sideways_8 on December 04, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
Hangry Hangry Harpy?

Terrible game. I do not recommend. 1/10
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on December 04, 2017, 07:00:06 PM
Well, I guess I'll just have to get rid of those two thick cut ribeye hunks of patriarchy in the fridge somehow...

NOM NOM NOM...
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dm1333 on December 04, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
only in a few limited cultures- none of which contributed to my DNA
The majority of known cultures of the past few thousand years have been omnivorous

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Vegetarianism or worse yet, vegan is a recent and unhealthy diet.

Is vegetarianism recent and unhealthy, or veganism?  Most of the vegetarians I know are very healthy.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Firethorn on December 04, 2017, 07:34:06 PM
Is vegetarianism recent and unhealthy, or veganism?  Most of the vegetarians I know are very healthy.

veganism is the recent unhealthy one.  Vegetarians have been around for a while, they're merely bad hunters.  ;)
 
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: French G. on December 04, 2017, 11:00:08 PM
First off, there is a Journal of Feminist Geography? I though geography was pretty plain and asexual. It's a map, of landmasses. Lots of little flags and funny accents in different places.

Second, how will these poor girls ever have any pudding?
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 04, 2017, 11:32:33 PM
I got your oppression right here.

https://flic.kr/p/WbjL1Y (https://flic.kr/p/WbjL1Y)
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on December 04, 2017, 11:36:23 PM
I got your oppression right here.

https://flic.kr/p/WbjL1Y (https://flic.kr/p/WbjL1Y)

It is very rude of you to so graphically depict you're patriarchy when I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: cordex on December 04, 2017, 11:50:58 PM
Just finished butchering the last of the patriarchy that was aging in the fridge.  Still have to grind a few gallons of patriarchy when I find a good venison summer sausage recipe.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Kingcreek on December 05, 2017, 12:43:51 AM
Is vegetarianism recent and unhealthy, or veganism?  Most of the vegetarians I know are very healthy.
It's difficult to he a healthy vegetarian unless one is part of an evolved ethnic group with adapted diet or otherwise very cognizant and deliberately balancing essential foods. Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 05, 2017, 01:03:07 AM
It is very rude of you to so graphically depict you're patriarchy when I'm hungry.

Do you want the bacon pictures?
I can post the bacon pictures.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: zxcvbob on December 05, 2017, 01:03:43 AM
It's difficult to he a healthy vegetarian unless one is part of an evolved ethnic group with adapted diet or otherwise very cognizant and deliberately balancing essential foods. Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people.


All the Seventh Day Adventists that I know are vegetarians and seem really healthy.  Almost like vegetarianism is their real religion, and they try to do it right.  I don't think they are vegans, but not sure.

I don't know how vegans get their vitamin B12 -- I doubt they intentionally eat food contaminated with insects and rodent droppings.  OTOH, maybe all grain is contaminated with enough insects and rodent droppings to meet our minimum requirement of B12  [barf]  Or maybe some mushrooms produce B12?  Or seaweed?
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Sideways_8 on December 05, 2017, 09:33:43 AM
All the Seventh Day Adventists that I know are vegetarians and seem really healthy.  Almost like vegetarianism is their real religion, and they try to do it right.  I don't think they are vegans, but not sure.

I don't know how vegans get their vitamin B12 -- I doubt they intentionally eat food contaminated with insects and rodent droppings.  OTOH, maybe all grain is contaminated with enough insects and rodent droppings to meet our minimum requirement of B12  [barf]  Or maybe some mushrooms produce B12?  Or seaweed?

Supplements would be the most reliable way. That or they will run into a defiency. Worse yet are vegans with pets that decide to put them on vegan diets.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 09:51:31 AM
Of course it is. Meat is a euphemism for the "gentleman's sausage," which means that meat the animal flesh is the equivalent to patriarchal repression and rape.

Simple, really.

If you tend to think like a chimp with brain damage.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 05, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Kingcreek said,

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Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people.

If true, that would explain a lot of politics today. :D

But I'm not clear on the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

I don't want to go into my canine teeth rant again, but I agree on the pets thing.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 09:58:13 AM
I know more than a few vegetarians, and a few vegans, and NONE of them are any more nutritionally deficient, frustrated, or angry than anyone else in my circle of acquaintances.

On the whole, though, they are one hell of a lot fitter/healthier than the rest of us.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Sideways_8 on December 05, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
I know more than a few vegetarians, and a few vegans, and NONE of them are any more nutritionally deficient, frustrated, or angry than anyone else in my circle of acquaintances.

On the whole, though, they are one hell of a lot fitter/healthier than the rest of us.

Then they're having to eat B12 fortified foods or taking B12 supplements. There is no way around it.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 05, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
I know more than a few vegetarians, and a few vegans, and NONE of them are any more nutritionally deficient, frustrated, or angry than anyone else in my circle of acquaintances.

On the whole, though, they are one hell of a lot fitter/healthier than the rest of us.

<ahem> <koff-koff> <Sotto voce>  Sample selection bias?  Is a comparison to the normally-distributed population valid?

<Terry makes sure his high-speed escape cane is nearby>
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 10:19:41 AM
Then they're having to eat B12 fortified foods or taking B12 supplements. There is no way around it.

I take B12 supplements as part of a daily multivitamin. And most people eat, as part of their every day diet, B12 supplemented food.

About the only way anyone in that track can avoid B12 supplemented food is if they're also practicing a 100% unprocessed raw diet.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
<ahem> <koff-koff> <Sotto voce>  Sample selection bias?  Is the comparison to the normally-distributed population valid?

<Terry makes sure his high-speed escape cane is nearby>

Right. And this "Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people." is certainly statistically valid.  ;/
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 05, 2017, 12:09:54 PM
Kingcreek said,

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Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people.

If true, that would explain a lot of politics today.

...

Bolding mine.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: zxcvbob on December 05, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
I take B12 supplements as part of a daily multivitamin. And most people eat, as part of their every day diet, B12 supplemented food.

About the only way anyone in that track can avoid B12 supplemented food is if they're also practicing a 100% unprocessed raw diet.

Aren't B12 supplements animal-based?  Wouldn't they have to be?  Or are there GMO yeast or bacteria that can synthesize B12?

To answer a related question that somebody asked, a really strict vegetarian might not eat honey.  A vegan is a really strict vegetarian who doesn't use any animal products; that's the difference as I understand it.  IE, doesn't wear silk or leather.  Wool is controversial.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
If true, that would explain a lot of politics today.

...


Bolding mine.

Wow. What a way to call out his questionable assertions and methodology...  ;/
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 05, 2017, 01:50:23 PM
Cyanocobalamin is a synthetically derived B12 and which is primarily used in supplments and for food fortification.

Of course, there's a significant presence on the web of people screeching about how horrible Cyanocobalamin is, and how it should be avoided because it will cause all sorts of horrific mutations, diseases, premature death of everyone all around you, AND you should spend lots of money on OUR certified all natural and safe B12!
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 05, 2017, 04:19:29 PM
I went back and put a :D in the original just for you, Mike.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: zxcvbob on December 05, 2017, 04:52:51 PM
Cyanocobalamin is a synthetically derived B12 and which is primarily used in supplments and for food fortification.

Of course, there's a significant presence on the web of people screeching about how horrible Cyanocobalamin is, and how it should be avoided because it will cause all sorts of horrific mutations, diseases, premature death of everyone all around you, AND you should spend lots of money on OUR certified all natural and safe B12!

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it!   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 05, 2017, 08:38:13 PM
Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it ! [tinfoil]
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dogmush on December 06, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it ! [tinfoil]


Not much though. Put a little on your lips. You won't taste the cyanide at all.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 07:01:23 AM
Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it ! [tinfoil]


I have no doubt that they'd screech that, but I believe that the prefix cyano, when used in this context, means blue or blue green, something like that. Like cyanobacteria...

Certainly not cyanide...
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dogmush on December 06, 2017, 08:13:19 AM
I have no doubt that they'd screech that, but I believe that the prefix cyano, when used in this context, means blue or blue green, something like that. Like cyanobacteria...

Certainly not cyanide...

Pretty sure that CN molecule isn't blue-green.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 08:20:05 AM
I didn't say it was blue green. I said the prefix stands for blue or blue green.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dogmush on December 06, 2017, 08:27:05 AM
I wasn't 100% sure, so I had to go look up the structure of cyanoacrylate, but no, in this case that prefix is for cyanide.  Cyanide is CN-.  You can see it in the structure of the cyanoacrylate I posted above.

I'm not enough of a chemist to tell you offhand how easy it would be to get it out of there, but it's there.  Google, FWIW, warns that heating some cyanoacrylates can release Hydrogen Cyanide gas (HCN).
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 06, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
Holy cow. Just a joke.  I didn't mean to have us launch into all that cyantific stuff.

Terry
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
Well I'll be goddamned... or poisoned...

There IS a CN group in Cyanocobalamin...

(https://images.rxlist.com/images/rxlist/B12inj1.gif)
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: dogmush on December 06, 2017, 11:09:04 AM
Well I'll be goddamned... or poisoned...

There IS a CN group in Cyanocobalamin...

(https://images.rxlist.com/images/rxlist/B12inj1.gif)

That's why vegetarians are healthier..... >:D
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 11:13:21 AM
That's why vegetarians are healthier..... >:D

:rofl:

Here, Charlie Cud Chewer, have a piece of vegan apple peach cake!

Of course it tastes like almonds. I used the apple seeds and peach pits as part of the recipe. More than 1 million percent of your daily allowance of all natural cyanide!
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: zxcvbob on December 06, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
That's why vegetarians are healthier..... >:D

Nope, that's what's in the artificial B12 supplements they have to take.  Real B12 has a methyl group (CH3) there instead of a CN.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: Sindawe on December 06, 2017, 11:23:44 AM
:rofl:

Here, Charlie Cud Chewer, have a piece of vegan apple peach cake!

Of course it tastes like almonds. I used the apple seeds and peach pits as part of the recipe. More than 1 million percent of your daily allowance of all natural cyanide!

Let me guess, you got the recipe from the little girl who lives down the lane?
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 11:41:26 AM
Let me guess, you got the recipe from the little girl who lives down the lane?

Wow. What a crap festival that movie was!
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 11:43:57 AM
Nope, that's what's in the artificial B12 supplements they have to take.  Real B12 has a methyl group (CH3) there instead of a CN.

Methyl group?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Cobalamin.png/200px-Cobalamin.png)
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 11:46:11 AM
Wait. Just found it. You're talking about Methylcobalamin...

But according to what I'm finding, methylcobalamin is also laboratory produced and is not natural.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: zxcvbob on December 06, 2017, 12:39:42 PM
Wait. Just found it. You're talking about Methylcobalamin...

But according to what I'm finding, methylcobalamin is also laboratory produced and is not natural.

Nevermind.  I assumed that (and hydroxy-) were the natural forms.  I should have known it would not be the simple ones ;)
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on December 06, 2017, 12:50:59 PM
I've got a fairly substantial supply of Potassium ferricyanide. Darn handy stuff to have around.
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 06, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
Methyl group?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Cobalamin.png/200px-Cobalamin.png)

Yeah, the "R."  "R" is the standard shorthand for any CHn chain.  Methyl, -CH3, is the shortest one.  The next one up is "ethyl," -C2H5, then "propyl," then "butyl," and so on.   IIRC, these are called "aliphatics," and with many Cs, an "aliphatic chain," but yer talkin' 65+ year old memory from this old coot.

Terry

Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 06, 2017, 05:32:47 PM
Yeah, the "R."  "R" is the standard shorthand for any CHn chain.  Methyl, -CH3, is the shortest one.  The next one up is "ethyl," C2 H5, then "propyl," then "butyl," and so on.



Interesting. I didn't know that. Of course, I barely passed 11th grade high school chemistry.... but mostly that had to do with several large flashes and clouds of smoke... No one can remember hearing any explosions, but we were all deaf afterwards, so it didn't really matter...
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: 230RN on December 06, 2017, 05:37:36 PM
Interesting. I didn't know that. Of course, I barely passed 11th grade high school chemistry.... but mostly that had to do with several large flashes and clouds of smoke... No one can remember hearing any explosions, but we were all deaf afterwards, so it didn't really matter...

You tickled my memory and made me grin.... remind me to tell you about the time someone snuck a few drops of ether in that good old lycopodium dust 'splosion experiment.

Suffice to say the 'splosive "yield" from the ether was far greater than the 'splosive "yield" from the lycopodium.  Ref, if you will, "Fuel-Air-Explosive."
Title: Re: Meat is Patriarchy!!!
Post by: K Frame on December 11, 2017, 07:08:00 AM
Trust me, I've had more than my fair share of fun with FAEs... My best friend and I growing up had a very great propensity for blowing *expletive deleted*it up.

Fortunately they lived on a farm. I'm sure the crap we did wouldn't have gone over quite so well at my place, which was in town.