Meat is Patriarchy!!!

[K Frame]

Then they're having to eat B12 fortified foods or taking B12 supplements. There is no way around it.

I take B12 supplements as part of a daily multivitamin. And most people eat, as part of their every day diet, B12 supplemented food.

About the only way anyone in that track can avoid B12 supplemented food is if they're also practicing a 100% unprocessed raw diet.

[K Frame]

<ahem> <koff-koff> <Sotto voce>  Sample selection bias?  Is the comparison to the normally-distributed population valid?

<Terry makes sure his high-speed escape cane is nearby>

Right. And this "Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people." is certainly statistically valid. 

[230RN]

Kingcreek said,

Most of the modern American vegetarians and especially vegans that I meet are nutritionally deficient, frustrated, and angry people.

If true, that would explain a lot of politics today.

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Bolding mine.

[zxcvbob]

I take B12 supplements as part of a daily multivitamin. And most people eat, as part of their every day diet, B12 supplemented food.

About the only way anyone in that track can avoid B12 supplemented food is if they're also practicing a 100% unprocessed raw diet.

Aren't B12 supplements animal-based?  Wouldn't they have to be?  Or are there GMO yeast or bacteria that can synthesize B12?

To answer a related question that somebody asked, a really strict vegetarian might not eat honey.  A vegan is a really strict vegetarian who doesn't use any animal products; that's the difference as I understand it.  IE, doesn't wear silk or leather.  Wool is controversial.

[K Frame]

If true, that would explain a lot of politics today.

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Bolding mine.

Wow. What a way to call out his questionable assertions and methodology... 

[K Frame]

Cyanocobalamin is a synthetically derived B12 and which is primarily used in supplments and for food fortification.

Of course, there's a significant presence on the web of people screeching about how horrible Cyanocobalamin is, and how it should be avoided because it will cause all sorts of horrific mutations, diseases, premature death of everyone all around you, AND you should spend lots of money on OUR certified all natural and safe B12!

[230RN]

I went back and put a :D in the original just for you, Mike.  You're welcome.

[zxcvbob]

Cyanocobalamin is a synthetically derived B12 and which is primarily used in supplments and for food fortification.

Of course, there's a significant presence on the web of people screeching about how horrible Cyanocobalamin is, and how it should be avoided because it will cause all sorts of horrific mutations, diseases, premature death of everyone all around you, AND you should spend lots of money on OUR certified all natural and safe B12!

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it!  

[230RN]

Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it !

[dogmush]

Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it !

Not much though. Put a little on your lips. You won't taste the cyanide at all.

[K Frame]

Super Glue...

OMG!!  it has cyanide in it !

I have no doubt that they'd screech that, but I believe that the prefix cyano, when used in this context, means blue or blue green, something like that. Like cyanobacteria...

Certainly not cyanide...

[dogmush]

I have no doubt that they'd screech that, but I believe that the prefix cyano, when used in this context, means blue or blue green, something like that. Like cyanobacteria...

Certainly not cyanide...

Pretty sure that CN molecule isn't blue-green.

[K Frame]

I didn't say it was blue green. I said the prefix stands for blue or blue green.

[dogmush]

I wasn't 100% sure, so I had to go look up the structure of cyanoacrylate, but no, in this case that prefix is for cyanide.  Cyanide is CN-.  You can see it in the structure of the cyanoacrylate I posted above.

I'm not enough of a chemist to tell you offhand how easy it would be to get it out of there, but it's there.  Google, FWIW, warns that heating some cyanoacrylates can release Hydrogen Cyanide gas (HCN).

[230RN]

Holy cow. Just a joke.  I didn't mean to have us launch into all that cyantific stuff.

Terry

[K Frame]

Well I'll be goddamned... or poisoned...

There IS a CN group in Cyanocobalamin...

[dogmush]

Well I'll be goddamned... or poisoned...

There IS a CN group in Cyanocobalamin...

That's why vegetarians are healthier.....

[K Frame]

That's why vegetarians are healthier.....

Here, Charlie Cud Chewer, have a piece of vegan apple peach cake!

Of course it tastes like almonds. I used the apple seeds and peach pits as part of the recipe. More than 1 million percent of your daily allowance of all natural cyanide!

[zxcvbob]

That's why vegetarians are healthier.....

Nope, that's what's in the artificial B12 supplements they have to take.  Real B12 has a methyl group (CH₃) there instead of a CN.

[Sindawe]

Here, Charlie Cud Chewer, have a piece of vegan apple peach cake!

Of course it tastes like almonds. I used the apple seeds and peach pits as part of the recipe. More than 1 million percent of your daily allowance of all natural cyanide!

Let me guess, you got the recipe from the little girl who lives down the lane?

[K Frame]

Let me guess, you got the recipe from the little girl who lives down the lane?

Wow. What a crap festival that movie was!

[K Frame]

Nope, that's what's in the artificial B12 supplements they have to take.  Real B12 has a methyl group (CH₃) there instead of a CN.

Methyl group?

[K Frame]

Wait. Just found it. You're talking about Methylcobalamin...

But according to what I'm finding, methylcobalamin is also laboratory produced and is not natural.

[zxcvbob]

Wait. Just found it. You're talking about Methylcobalamin...

But according to what I'm finding, methylcobalamin is also laboratory produced and is not natural.

Nevermind.  I assumed that (and hydroxy-) were the natural forms.  I should have known it would not be the simple ones

[RoadKingLarry]

I've got a fairly substantial supply of Potassium ferricyanide. Darn handy stuff to have around.