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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 04:36:27 PM »
Is this going to become another circumcision argument?

Hell if I know.  It will probably wind up an argument over using backyard-chicken eggs to make corn bread(1) in cast iron pans over an open fire fueled by floppy disks.




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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2015, 10:51:49 PM »


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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2015, 11:22:40 PM »
Whether or not we impose legal punishments on those who self-mutilate, or those who help them, the doctors responsible for such procedures should certainly lose their licenses, board certifications, etc.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2015, 07:43:24 AM »
Whether or not we impose legal punishments on those who self-mutilate, or those who help them, the doctors responsible for such procedures should certainly lose their licenses, board certifications, etc.

Would you be willing to back off a weensy bit and start with changing the laws that relate to how society reacts - both in determining who is a danger to themself and what society does to/for/about/with them?

IMHO if you do not you are just self-mutilating the mental health system (such as it is).

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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2015, 01:03:22 AM »
Would you be willing to back off a weensy bit and start with changing the laws that relate to how society reacts - both in determining who is a danger to themself and what society does to/for/about/with them?

IMHO if you do not you are just self-mutilating the mental health system (such as it is).

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Not sure what you mean. Backing off of what, and what did you want to change?
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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2015, 08:01:36 AM »

Not sure what you mean. Backing off of what, and what did you want to change?

Let's start with backing off from "the doctors responsible for such procedures should certainly lose their licenses, board certifications, etc." and then later look at working backward from there as regards your statement that is taken from.

I'm not the one who is trying to change the MH system.  You are the one that wants to get rid of the current approach - at least to the issue of self mutilation and what to do about people who do that.  So it would seem to be up to you to identify the changes you are looking for.

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If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege.

Hey you kids!! Get off my lawn!!!

They keep making this eternal vigilance thing harder and harder.  Protecting the 2nd amendment is like playing PACMAN - there's no pause button so you can go to the bathroom.

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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2015, 08:33:42 AM »
Let's start with backing off from "the doctors responsible for such procedures should certainly lose their licenses, board certifications, etc." and then later look at working backward from there as regards your statement that is taken from.

I'm not the one who is trying to change the MH system.  You are the one that wants to get rid of the current approach - at least to the issue of self mutilation and what to do about people who do that.  So it would seem to be up to you to identify the changes you are looking for.

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I would just expect health professionals to help mentally challenged folk to live safely within reality, rather than enable them to contradict reality to their own peril. To adapt to realities they may not like, rather than to adapt reality itself to their mental disorders. That is, if the patient is an able-bodied man who thinks he is disabled, that they should help him to understand the truth, rather than helping him conform to his delusion. The same, obviously, would go for patients who believe they're of another sex. I would also expect that anyone who encouraged or assisted with those sorts of medical procedures (sex changes, and the like) would be seen as clearly violating the Hippocratic oath, and whatever standards are set (or should be set) for the various licenses the state requires for said professionals. (Which is not to say that the state should require such licenses, but so long as it does...)

If anyone asks, just let them know that I propose these changes based on principles that should be obvious to anyone, and not on the basis of any professional credentials.  =)
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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2015, 10:13:13 AM »
Can someone splain why gender identity issues are not considered delusions by the mental health establishment?  If someone thinks he's a woman, despite the obvious fact that he's a man, how does that not satisfy the dictionary definition of 'delusional'?

I can understand issues in the rare instances where there is genuine physical or genetic ambiguity about one's sex, but most of these cases are someone simply refusing to believe the truth when they look in the mirror.

The MHE recognizes all sorts of delusional tendencies, from literal delusional disorders to delusions as symptoms of other disorders.  Anorexia is a good example, the unshakeable but false belief that one is overweight and the resulting self-harm caused by that false belief.  How is transgenderism any different than anorexia as a diagnosable mental health issue?

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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2015, 10:32:34 AM »
Can someone splain why gender identity issues are not considered delusions by the mental health establishment?  If someone thinks he's a woman, despite the obvious fact that he's a man, how does that not satisfy the dictionary definition of 'delusional'?

Politics and sex.  And the politics of sex.  And fear of social opprobrium from one's peers.

See, back in the 1970s, the psych community got mobbed by the homosexual activist community and changed its entry on homosexuality in the DSM* based on political pressure and a vote.  Notice, you will not find "political pressure," "consensus," or "then take a vote," in the scientific method. 

The psych community has not gotten any better and bases many of its conclusions on the sooper-scientific concept of "zeitgeist."

This makes psychology about as "scientific" as "scientific materialism."  It also makes those familiar with real science laugh at them.

And do not forget the desire of folk to not be seen as uncool.  One way many do that is by being OK with nearly every sexual perversity.  Because to be otherwise is to be an uncool bluenose. 

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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »
Upending the whole culture and requiring the Orwellian group think of denying biologic gender; all to cater to a percentage of 1% of the population is in a word, insane.

Genetics, hormonal issues at different stages of life, abuse and mental illness probably account for folks who experience gender confusion or ambiguity.

Let them be, as much as possible, but don't ignore reality in slavish devotion to what is really just leftist ideology attempting to deconstruct the culture of the western world.  

Transabled? That is so far down the rabbit hole I don't know what to think.
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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 11:27:44 AM »
Upending the whole culture and requiring the Orwellian group think of denying biologic gender; all to cater to a percentage of 1% of the population is in a word, insane.

Welcome to modern society.

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Transabled? That is so far down the rabbit hole I don't know what to think.

I'm pretty sure the rabbit has given up trying to figure it out at this point and just gone looking for a saner place to live.

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Re: Transgender is so yesterday. Meet the transabled.
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2015, 11:33:25 AM »
Welcome to modern society.

I'm pretty sure the rabbit has given up trying to figure it out at this point and just gone looking for a saner place to live.

The SJW/progressive playbook includes pushing more and more absurdity in large part because it is absurd.

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"A society of emasculated liars" goes a long way to explain modern society.
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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2015, 03:08:51 PM »
This makes psychology about as "scientific" as "scientific materialism."  It also makes those familiar with real science laugh at them.

I'm just waiting for them to declare the guy who thinks he's Napoleon to be a perfectly safe and sane transpersonalitite.

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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2015, 03:19:03 PM »
The SJW/progressive playbook includes pushing more and more absurdity in large part because it is absurd.

I see you've also read That Hideous Strength.
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« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2015, 03:32:47 PM »
I see you've also read That Hideous Strength.

It's somewhat frightening the grasp that he had on the evil that exists in the human heart.
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