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freakazoid · « **Reply #25 on:** May 17, 2008, 04:15:11 PM »

So 2/3rds of the 350 firearms where actually all stolen? That is about 233

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 17, 2008, 04:18:22 PM »

were they? so far we have foil hat wearers claiming that. as far as i can see none from thetown in question. so far the kansas story has as much credibility as the catacomb prison. but you could come up with some proof

freakazoid · « **Reply #27 on:** May 17, 2008, 04:34:21 PM »

What do you mean were they? Claiming what?

What we know, 350 firearms where "confiscated". Only 1/3rd have been returned, which means that 2/3rds have not been returned. There were some that were found to of been stolen, and some that were full-auto, and at the time I believe Kansas wasn't a Class3 state yet, which would mean that the full-auto firearms are "illegal" rolleyes

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cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #28 on:** May 17, 2008, 04:45:27 PM »

you claim to "know" something. how do you "know"? some foil wearer's blog won't cut it.

LAK · « **Reply #29 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:00:24 PM »

FEMA is the fed agency tasked with running the show - as in, in charge, with certain priorities and mandates, all other considerations secondary - if the WH decides it is necessary under a number of old and new EOs. The NG - the military - will be doing as they are told. Nothing new here - although it seems everyday someone else finds out it is true afterall.

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cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #30 on:** May 18, 2008, 03:45:59 AM »

so you can document the underground prison? or the gun seizures? or do i need more reynolds stock and bauxite futures

freakazoid · « **Reply #31 on:** May 18, 2008, 05:59:03 AM »

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so you can document the underground prison?

Worlds of Fun is a real place. All that was said is that they would use it.

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or the gun seizures?

Are you seriously suggesting that FEMA didn't confiscate firearms?

LAK · « **Reply #32 on:** May 18, 2008, 11:36:01 AM »

Just some random benignly worded references on FEMA's own site about "relocation" and "shelters". Just as football stadiums etc have (naturally) been earmarked for use as makeshift morgues etc during disasters it would not be unusual for any large public-private facility to be turned into some kind of "rest and relocation center", "shelter", "dentention facility" or any other word one wants to use...

Cover Risk Management Series Safe Rooms and Shelters Protecting
http://www.fema.gov/library/file?type=originalAccessibleFormatFile&file=fema453_cvr_toc.txt&fileid=409e5f00-4c7f-11db-bb87-000bdba87d5b

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Cover Risk Management Series Safe Rooms and Shelters Protecting People Against Terrorist Attacks FEMA 453 / May 2006 Title page Risk Management Series Safe ...

FEMA 453 / May 2006 Risk Management Series Safe Rooms and Shelters
http://www.fema.gov/library/file?type=originalAccessibleFormatFile&file=fema453_ch4.txt&fileid=39220fa0-4c80-11db-bb87-000bdba87d5b

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... occupants required one or more rest periods during ... required for those evacuating to adjacent population centers. ... housing, and the mass relocation of affected ...

Radiological Emergency Preparedness: Exercise Evaluation Methodology;
Notice
http://www.fema.gov/txt/library/not02_10222.txt

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Relocation: OROs should demonstrate the capability to coordinate
and implement decisions concerning relocation of individuals, not
previously evacuated, to an area where radiological contamination
will not expose the general public to doses that exceed the
relocation PAGs. OROs should also demonstrate the capability to
provide for short-term or long-term relocation of evacuees who lived
in areas that have residual radiation levels above the (first-,
second-, and fifty-year) PAGs.

Yes, "firearms" in unoccupied homes are considered a "hazard". Certainly any loaded firearm left lying around on the streets might be hazardous to children, but why would a significant number of people leave fireams in their homes if they were "relocating" you might ask? Well, if you travel dot gov to a dot gov "rest and relocation center" you will not be taking your guns with you. Of course the travel guide escorts and the "relocation center" staff will have theirs no doubt ...
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=28118
FEMA: Keep Your Volunteer Experience Safe, FEMA Advises

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Hazardous items

When cleaning storm damaged homes and buildings, hazardous chemicals and items such as firearms and ammunition may be found. These items require special handling by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) because if handled improperly they could blow-up on the spot or in a landfill at a later date.

If firearms, ammo or suspicious substances are found, clear the area and call the EPA emergency line at 1-800-401-1327

Anyone read up on REX 84?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_gD25lwjAk

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cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #33 on:** May 18, 2008, 12:47:33 PM »

Are you seriously suggesting that FEMA didn't confiscate firearms?

in kansas? did you seriouly not read what the guy from greensburg said? or the other guy who was from there and just got back? or you strictly a wnd guy

freakazoid · « **Reply #34 on:** May 18, 2008, 04:52:03 PM »

What is a wnd guy?

Yeah I read that, and I also read stuff from other places about people from there. And did you read what LAK posted about there procedure for when they come across a firearm?

Manedwolf · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2008, 04:56:13 PM »

As far as I am aware, FEMA did not seize any firearms. That was done by some overeager police brought in from out of state, including California police.

FEMA does not have any armed people in uniform. It's a bunch of bureaucrats and some people with windbreakers who misdirect aid supplies in circles.

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2008, 05:08:54 PM »

shhhh don't confuse em with facts and reallity

LAK · « **Reply #37 on:** May 18, 2008, 10:27:20 PM »

They are alittle more than bureaucrats - they do have boots on the ground, albeit somewhat softly uniformed. I have seen a FEMA "command" vehicle (a white suv with "Federal Emergency Management", "command" and the FEMA logo on the door - fed plates) off and on at a local shopping and restaurant district over a long period of time. Apparently someone who uses their "company car" for some wining and dining.

FEMA do not have armed people in uniform. Uh, yet; just remember what the ATFE used to be ... and what they are now).

They do direct and control the armed local, state and feds in uniform when they take over under their mandates. The key to understanding FEMA is the EOs that give the fed gov authority (the ifs, whens, and whats) for FEMA in any incident of "national significance", declared "state of emergency" etc and the various fed operating plans, regulations and "shall dos" etc in the event of _________ (a long list of things).

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2008, 02:51:07 AM »

so do you believe they confiscated guns? or not?

freakazoid · « **Reply #39 on:** May 19, 2008, 07:41:17 AM »

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shhhh don't confuse em with facts and reallity

shhh, stop flaming.

LAK · « **Reply #40 on:** May 19, 2008, 10:40:26 PM »

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so do you believe they confiscated guns? or not?

Me? No. I mean yes. Well maybe. And that's final.

I know guns were seized in NO - I can not speak about other places.

I also know that in the event of any one of a number of types of incidents or disasters, falling under various definitions, and FEMA is given authority to run the show; they have a set mission including things like "continuity of gov", "protection of critical infrastructure" etc etc. They will be directing the uniformed folk with the guns.

If you want to board one of their buses, boxcars etc to go to a "rest and relocation center", "shelter" etc - you will be disarmed. If you live somewhere that is the subject of a "mandatory evacuation order" and want to travel dot.gov - you will be disarmed.

And various gov agencies, incorporating civilian police agencies and military units have conducted exercizes that included collecting firearms from peoples' homes. I think it was in the 1990s that such an exercize took place in (IIRC) Oakland California - I have seen extensive video footage of it with audio.

209 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 19, 2008, 11:56:17 PM »

"Slowly, Connor regained consciousness. As he lifted his head, an audible groan slipped from his lips. He thought back and pondered what happened. All he could remember was that he was refusing to leave his house. He remembered the FEMA agents rushing towards him and & the lights went out.

But, where was he now? He could hear the sound of dripping water echoing through the dank, poorly lit room . All of the sudden, he knew! He was in the Worlds of Fun catacombs. That meant he was in the custody of the dreaded FEMAites."

freakazoid · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2008, 05:28:57 AM »

lol, that was pretty good. Got any more? I'll read it Cheesy

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2008, 07:20:28 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 19, 2008, 01:51:07 AM

so do you believe they confiscated guns? or not?

"Are you now or have you ever been..."

LAK · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2008, 10:28:57 PM »

.... a FEMAnist?

Leatherneck · « **Reply #45 on:** May 21, 2008, 02:35:56 AM »

I think LAK is mostly right in the concerns he's expressed. FEMA is primarily concerned with COOP (Continuity of Operations) and COG (Continuity of Government). Only recently have they been called on to assume significant disaster relief for the populace at large. They're a strange, secretive organization. Much of their policy/procedure development is (rightly) classified. But what else might be hiding under that mantle of secrecy is not readily apparent to most of us.

They do have a thuggish, somewhat LE-flavor about them.

TC

Manedwolf · « **Reply #46 on:** May 21, 2008, 05:16:00 AM »

I don't see FEMA as secretive anything.

I see them as a bunch of career bureaucrats who couldn't find their posterior with both hands.
STUPID career bureaucrats, at that.

I remember seeing one proclaim that they couldn't send any boats to the NO convention center waterfront to pick up the stranded and hungry survivors because "there was debris in the water", and something else about depth from sediment.

Huh. Now, what kind of boat was designed to operate with a shallow draft, in waters often filled with debris and logs, with its propulsion at the stern instead on on the sides so as not to be fouled by debris in the water? Something that might be found...in the Mississippi? Something often used as casinos now, that the government could have paid to rent for rescue purposes?

Gee. I have no idea...

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #47 on:** May 21, 2008, 05:35:24 AM »

so anyone wanna stand up andgive something other than looneytoons blogs as documentation of the " kansas gungrab" a name? anything ?

GigaBuist · « **Reply #48 on:** May 21, 2008, 08:04:32 AM »

Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 21, 2008, 04:35:24 AM

so anyone wanna stand up andgive something other than looneytoons blogs as documentation of the " kansas gungrab" a name? anything ?

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2994

Looks like officers scooped up guns from the rubble and locked them away for safe keeping. So long as they've been reasonable about returning them I have no problem with it.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #49 on:** May 21, 2008, 11:43:15 PM »

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STUPID career bureaucrats, at that.

I believe you repeat yourself there.

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