Post by: wmenorr67 on July 31, 2008, 05:14:25 AM
Bouncer turned her away because she couldn't prove shes legal to drink
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OLYMPIA, Wash. - Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire is taking it as a compliment: She was turned away from a bar in the state capital because she couldn't prove she's of legal age to drink.
The 61-year-old governor and her staff had served burgers at the annual Capital Lakefair last weekend and afterward went to a downtown Olympia bar called Hannah's to celebrate.
Gregoire says the man checking identifications at the door told her she couldn't get in without ID, even when others pointed out she's Washington's governor. So she went home, but her husband, Mike, went in.
The governor tells Seattle's KING-TV she feels complimented the bouncer thought she might be under 21.
Hannah's owner, Todd Ruzicka, says his 23-year-old part-time bouncer needs more training.
The 61-year-old governor and her staff had served burgers at the annual Capital Lakefair last weekend and afterward went to a downtown Olympia bar called Hannah's to celebrate.
Gregoire says the man checking identifications at the door told her she couldn't get in without ID, even when others pointed out she's Washington's governor. So she went home, but her husband, Mike, went in.
The governor tells Seattle's KING-TV she feels complimented the bouncer thought she might be under 21.
Hannah's owner, Todd Ruzicka, says his 23-year-old part-time bouncer needs more training.
I say good for the bouncer. Most states have laws that say no valid ID no drinky.
Post by: vaskidmark on July 31, 2008, 05:26:08 AM
Apparently rank doth not have its priviledges.
stay safe.
skidmark
Post by: taurusowner on July 31, 2008, 06:15:37 AM
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Post by: seeker_two on July 31, 2008, 01:10:11 PM
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Hannah's owner, Todd Ruzicka, says his 23-year-old part-time bouncer needs more training.
Sounds like he's trained just fine.....I hope Ted Kennedy shows up at his bar.....
Post by: Phyphor on August 02, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25935910/
Bouncer turned her away because she couldn't prove shes legal to drink
I say good for the bouncer. Most states have laws that say no valid ID no drinky.
Bouncer turned her away because she couldn't prove shes legal to drink
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OLYMPIA, Wash. - Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire is taking it as a compliment: She was turned away from a bar in the state capital because she couldn't prove she's of legal age to drink.
The 61-year-old governor and her staff had served burgers at the annual Capital Lakefair last weekend and afterward went to a downtown Olympia bar called Hannah's to celebrate.
Gregoire says the man checking identifications at the door told her she couldn't get in without ID, even when others pointed out she's Washington's governor. So she went home, but her husband, Mike, went in.
The governor tells Seattle's KING-TV she feels complimented the bouncer thought she might be under 21.
Hannah's owner, Todd Ruzicka, says his 23-year-old part-time bouncer needs more training.
The 61-year-old governor and her staff had served burgers at the annual Capital Lakefair last weekend and afterward went to a downtown Olympia bar called Hannah's to celebrate.
Gregoire says the man checking identifications at the door told her she couldn't get in without ID, even when others pointed out she's Washington's governor. So she went home, but her husband, Mike, went in.
The governor tells Seattle's KING-TV she feels complimented the bouncer thought she might be under 21.
Hannah's owner, Todd Ruzicka, says his 23-year-old part-time bouncer needs more training.
I say good for the bouncer. Most states have laws that say no valid ID no drinky.
Horseshit. He needs no training.
Post by: De Selby on August 02, 2008, 10:48:51 PM
To be honest, I do think this guy needs more training. Denying someone who is obviously so far beyond 21 that no reasonable person could believe she were a minor passing herself off is taking rulism to the extreme.
The purpose of checking ID's isn't because there's some magical quality of having an ID, it's because it's one of many ways to ensure that people under 21 don't get alcohol. When folks lose sight of that, we end up with stories like this....60 plus year olds getting denied at the bar because they don't have id.
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 02, 2008, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 02:03:26 AM
But at the same time SS there are laws in place that state you must have a valid ID to gain entrance to said locations. So what you are saying is, it is ok to break the law.
And had an elderly war veteran a wheelchair arrived at the bar, would you have wanted the bouncer to refuse him entry, too?
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 03, 2008, 02:10:34 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 02:35:57 AM
If he didn't have the proper ID, yes.
This doesn't strike you as somehow... wrong?
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 03, 2008, 02:43:55 AM
Post by: ssbn642 on August 03, 2008, 03:09:20 AM
Post by: Werewolf on August 03, 2008, 08:22:21 AM
How so? You break the rules/law you pay the price.
Ahhhhhh...ZERO TOLERANCE. What a concept.
Why the hell not. We don't need to think, use our minds, figure things out for ourselves, adjust the rules to the situation with zero tolerance. All that nasty thinking will be done for us.
Makes perfect sense.
Post by: Bigjake on August 03, 2008, 08:46:28 AM
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2008, 02:16:46 PM
But at the same time SS there are laws in place that state you must have a valid ID to gain entrance to said locations. So what you are saying is, it is ok to break the law.
The purpose of these laws has nothing to do with the benefits of having an ID or entrance to a bar; they are enacted only to ensure that people who are below the legal age do not enter the bar.
What I am saying is, administrative regulation that doesn't serve any purpose is okay to ignore. You can tell that a 61 year old woman is not under 21 from looking at her. So I don't see how the rule that you need an id to enter that bar (if it even is a law-in most places the law is that you can't serve people under 21, not that you need to see ID) serves any valid purpose in that situation.
Post by: grampster on August 03, 2008, 03:16:23 PM
Post by: taurusowner on August 03, 2008, 04:58:33 PM
Post by: De Selby on August 03, 2008, 05:14:17 PM
SS, if you don't agree with the outcome of the rules, you get them changed. You don't simply ignore them.
I generally agree, but with purely administrative rules, I think enforcement should have at least some connection to the purpose of the rule.
This is one of those rules-the purpose of ID requirements isn't because there's some benefit to having an ID when you drink; it is solely for the purpose of keeping alcohol out of the hands of minors.
It's better, imho, to focus on the purpose of the rule: keeping minors out of bars, than to go fretting about whether or not an old lady has an ID that day. It serves no purpose.
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 05:18:08 PM
SS, if you don't agree with the outcome of the rules, you get them changed. You don't simply ignore them.
TO, have you ever served in the military?
Post by: taurusowner on August 03, 2008, 05:30:04 PM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 03, 2008, 05:34:15 PM
I'm in right now in fact. MP in the US Army.
Ah. I understand, then .
Seriously, as you well know, it's common in military organizations that rules are made that ar eimpossible to constantly observe, and soldiers (and officers) often apply them... creatively. Otherwise life would be impossible in any military institution.