Surveillance footage of shooting at Wanenmachers Tulsa Arms show

[HeroHog]

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/video-surveillance-footage-of-shooting-at-wanenmachers-tulsa-arms-show/

"Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Justin Green said that although an investigative report was taken following Saturday’s accidental shooting at the Wanenmacher’s Tulsa Arms Show, no criminal charges would be pursued against the shooter."

"Green said the man who was shot, former TCSO Sgt. Rick Treadwell, had told investigators he did not want charges to be filed. Treadwell identified the shooter as Brian Pounds, a Tulsa County Assessor’s Office employee. Pounds, a former candidate for Tulsa County commissioner, served as a reserve deputy under former Sheriff Stanley Glanz."

[Hawkmoon]

Cool. So former deputy Treadwell took one for the team.

However, Treadwell apparently wasn't "shot." Bullets don't get lodged in fingers, and in the video the gun was never pointed toward his hand. I'd say he was hit by a ricochet fragment.

[RoadKingLarry]

Heard on the news that the idjit will be charge with a misdemeanor negligence charge over the incident.
I still suspect that if it hadn't gotten the air time it did nothing would have been done about it.

[Fly320s]

Cool. So former deputy Treadwell took one for the team.

However, Treadwell apparently wasn't "shot." Bullets don't get lodged in fingers, and in the video the gun was never pointed toward his hand. I'd say he was hit by a ricochet fragment.

I count this as getting shot.  How much of the original bullet must hit a person to be considered "getting shot?"

[Hawkmoon]

I count this as getting shot.  How much of the original bullet must hit a person to be considered "getting shot?"

All of it?

It's semantics, of course, but it's obvious from the video that the muzzle wasn't pointed anywhere in the vicinity of the seated guy's hand. What hit mim could just as well have been a chunk of concrete block rather than a piece of fragmented bullet. I characterize that as "injured by a ricochet fragment," not "shot."

Several years ago at a competition night at the range where I shoot, one of the guys was running the plate rack. The rack was old and the plates were cratered. A fragment came back and hit him in the leg. The cut was large and deep enough that he went to the ER to have it sewed up. We (and he) didn't consider that he got "shot." He was hit by a ricochet fragment.

[HeroHog]

I pulled a small piece of copper out of a guys eyebrow at an event with my Leatherman. This is why ya should wear eye protection.

[Fly320s]

All of it?

It's semantics, of course, but it's obvious from the video that the muzzle wasn't pointed anywhere in the vicinity of the seated guy's hand. What hit mim could just as well have been a chunk of concrete block rather than a piece of fragmented bullet. I characterize that as "injured by a ricochet fragment," not "shot."

Several years ago at a competition night at the range where I shoot, one of the guys was running the plate rack. The rack was old and the plates were cratered. A fragment came back and hit him in the leg. The cut was large and deep enough that he went to the ER to have it sewed up. We (and he) didn't consider that he got "shot." He was hit by a ricochet fragment.

I still count that as getting shot.  I don't think that "getting shot' requires a deliberate attempt to hit someone with a bullet.  There have been plenty of people hit by bullets on unintended trajectories.  I bet those people think they got shot.  Especially the dead ones.

Is shooting through an object to hit a target considered a ricochet?  Such as shooting through a wall or glass.  Those barriers can alter the trajectory of the bullet (ricochet) yet still thoroughly kill a person.

[Hutch]

Cool. So former deputy Treadwell took one for the team.

However, Treadwell apparently wasn't "shot." Bullets don't get lodged in fingers, and in the video the gun was never pointed toward his hand. I'd say he was hit by a ricochet fragment.

Ruger .22 in the hands of an idjit.  Maybe a .22 ricochet could lodge in a finger.

[Hawkmoon]

Ruger .22 in the hands of an idjit.  Maybe a .22 ricochet could lodge in a finger.

So deeply that the ER didn't/couldn't remove it? That dude would have to have had some pretty chubby fingers.

[RoadKingLarry]

So deeply that the ER didn't/couldn't remove it? That dude would have to have had some pretty chubby fingers.

Well,  he is a sheriff's deputy.