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51st State?
« on: January 02, 2017, 01:09:03 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/puerto-ricos-gov-seeks-statehood-referendum-amid-crisis-135123882.html

Puerto Rico is making (or is poised to make) a renewed push for statehood. The U.S. economy is currently in a precarious condition, so I'm not excited about the prospect of bringing in a new state whose sole reason for wanting in is to have the other 50 states bail them out of their financial mess. In the past, Puerto Rico has insisted that Spanish remain the official language if they become a state. IMHO that's an absolute disqualifier right there. In fact, I would tie any discussions of admitting Puerto Rico to the adoption of legislation making English THE official language for the United States.

Even if PR were to agree to English as the official language (and the sole language of government), I'm still not ready to get on board this train ...

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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 01:16:44 PM »
I'll pass
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2017, 01:19:39 PM »
I've been to Puerto Rico.   No thanks.  They can keep it.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 01:58:39 PM »
We should just set them free, it wouldn't be the first time a territory was cut free. ;)


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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 02:15:40 PM »
I'd be OK with giving it statehood as long as all the people leave first.  I bet Trump could make it profitable.

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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 03:18:39 PM »
I'll also pass. Like a boat, PR would just be a big hole in the water where we pour money.

I think I've mentioned before I have a very liberal friend who worked down there as a dive guide for a couple of years. She came back a bit changed in her liberal ideas. Every freakin' person down there wants to live off the gov for free, and the government is terribly inefficient. Also lots of utility outages all the time. The first time I saw her after she got back, she sounded almost like me regarding worthless losers getting haircuts and a damn job.  :laugh:
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2017, 03:33:38 PM »
We should just set them free, it wouldn't be the first time a territory was cut free. ;)

I agree.

They don't want to be a "colony"? Fine -- you're not a colony. Have a nice day/week/month/year/rest of your lives.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2017, 04:44:11 PM »
I've been to Puerto Rico.   No thanks.  They can keep it.

I've been there many times.  I agree; they should be cut free.

To get PR up to current US standards would take a yuge amount of money and time.  PR isn't worth the effort.  I'd rather see the USVI get statehood first.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2017, 04:48:07 PM »
I see a win-win opportunity here.

Make a deal with Cuba for them to take PR and we'll go formal normalized relations with them.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2017, 05:07:59 PM »
I see a win-win opportunity here.

Make a deal with Cuba for them to take PR and we'll go formal normalized relations with them.

Nah; give it to the Dominican Republic.  They can find some sucker on eBay to buy it and fix their financial issues.

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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2017, 06:08:23 PM »
Damn.  I was hoping this was about a serious effort at the State of Jefferson.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2017, 06:18:41 PM »
I'd be OK with giving it statehood as long as all the people leave first.  I bet Trump could make it profitable.

Very good.  LOL

Oh, and no on the statehood unless there are compelling strategic reasons for it.

One big problem in denying Statehood and an another economic rescue is that Communism / socialism / hyper-leftism is borne of strife and economic chaos.  And Cuba ain't all that far away...

ANITA, in West Side Story:

Puerto Rico...
You ugly island...
Island of tropic diseases.
Always the hurricanes blowing,
Always the population growing,
And the money owing,
And the babies crying,
And the bullets flying.
I like the island Manhattan.
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More (amusing):
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2017, 06:34:40 PM »
Damn.  I was hoping this was about a serious effort at the State of Jefferson.

I'd move there tomorrow.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2017, 06:49:39 PM »
Damn.  I was hoping this was about a serious effort at the State of Jefferson.

This is why I'm for it. Maybe if we can get things moving in one place it can snowball into a plethora of new states including The State of Jefferson. *







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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2017, 08:42:28 PM »
Nope.  Cut PR loose.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2017, 10:01:30 PM »
I wouldn't cry if PR became independent . . . provided they took NYC, LA, and San Francisco with them.

Maybe NOLA and parts of Chicago as well.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2017, 11:13:58 PM »
I wouldn't cry if PR became independent . . . provided they took NYC, LA, and San Francisco with them.

Maybe NOLA and parts of Chicago as well.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2017, 09:56:56 PM »
And New Jersey -- don't forget New Jersey.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2017, 06:12:19 AM »
*expletive deleted*ck you. Its not the whole state, just a few sections with about 7 million people that need to be carved off.

Now you sound like California, Illinois, NY, Mass, CT, etc.   =D
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2017, 10:43:39 AM »
Now you sound like California, Illinois, NY, Mass, CT, etc.   =D

(Which is why I'd like to see an electoral college type of system, except by counties, installed in States where high population density areas (cities) tromp all over the rest of the state.)

From what I've heard it's like a rabbit warren down there.

Good place to hide, though, since your legal last name will be your mother's maiden name, not your father's last name.

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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2017, 01:46:07 PM »
*expletive deleted*ck you. Its not the whole state, just a few sections with about 7 million people that need to be carved off.

Tell me again which counties in NJ went for Trump ...

NJ Senators: Cory Booker and Bob Menendez (both, of course, Democrats)

NJ Representatives: I admit to being surprised. NJ has 12, and out of that there are 5 Republicans. Much better than I expected.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 01:51:14 PM »
Tell me again which counties in NJ went for Trump ...

NJ Senators: Cory Booker and Bob Menendez (both, of course, Democrats)

NJ Representatives: I admit to being surprised. NJ has 12, and out of that there are 5 Republicans. Much better than I expected.

Actually 9 out of 21 counties went for Trump.  Sussex, Warren, Morris, Hunterdon, Manmouth, Ocean, Gloucester, Salem, and Cape May counties all went for Trump.


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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 02:07:38 PM »
Good place to hide, though, since your legal last name will be your mother's maiden name, not your father's last name.

Not really the way it works in Spanish-speaking countries, as I understand it.

A person's full legal name includes both the father's last name and the mother's maiden name, but for most purposes only the father's name is used. For example, my brother-in-law's full legal name is Ciro Rios Sepulveda, Rios being the father's name and Sepulveda being the mother's maiden (and married) name. (The women, at least in Chile, don't use the husband's last name after marriage.) In everything except very technical, governmental matters, his name is simply "Ciro Rios." Before he retired, his business cards showed his name as "Ciro Rios S."

The retention of the maiden name after marriage created some confusion when I married my late wife. We were married in Santiago, Chile. Her name didn't change in Chile, but when we applied for her visa to come to the U.S. there was no space on the form to enter the wife's last name. I tried to write it in, and I was informed VERY brusquely that I couldn't do that. I explained that her last name had not changed, and I was told not to worry about it, that "they" would take care of it when she got to immigration in the U.S. when she had the visa.

So she got the visa, which was issued using my last name as her last name. She flew to the U.S., and asked the agent at immigration about fixing her last name to match her passport and all her other documentation. The answer, of course, was "We can't change that here, they should have done that at the consulate in Santiago." The only solution would have been to apply to our local probate court to legally change her name to ... her name. She said it wasn't worth it, so we didn't. So from then until she died I had two wives. Sailors joke abut a girl in every port -- I had a wife with one last name in the U.S. and a different last name (and first name) in Chile. All perfectly legal (but confusing.) Her Chilean passport, national ID card, driver's license, bank account, and any other documentation was all in her Chilean name (which was about half a mile long,) whereas in the U.S. her green card, driver's license, bank account, credit cards, and any other documentation used her FIRST first name and my last name.
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Re: 51st State?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 09:40:29 PM »
Actually 9 out of 21 counties went for Trump.  Sussex, Warren, Morris, Hunterdon, Manmouth, Ocean, Gloucester, Salem, and Cape May counties all went for Trump.


http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-jersey/
Yep and I live in one of them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2017, 12:11:07 PM »
Yep and I live in one of them.

Did you type that in or copy and paste it? Monmouth is misspelled.

Typed it.
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