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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Andiron on September 21, 2018, 07:20:51 PM
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http://www.thenyherald.com/2018/09/11/pedophiles-decapitated-corpse-found-on-judges-doorstep-after-bail-hearing/
Title pretty much says it all.
Nasty, but I think that judge might have learned something. Also a teachable moment for the pedo.
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That seems more effective than voting.
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A pilot program for repeat offenders?
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That's one of the most eye-catching thread titles I've ever seen.
A local resident said of the horrific discovery that finding a headless body was an “unusual” occurrence: “This is a nice area.This is the kind of thing that usually happens in mob films, but not around here.”
Really? Not an everyday thing then?
Th police are not going to stop looking for the killer just because the victim is a pedophile, so if they catch the guy I hope he gets a friendly jury.
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A pilot program for repeat offenders?
Only if they don't find the person who did it. If they do, I am sure the local law will put a lot of effort into convicting them.
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Only if they don't find the person who did it. If they do, I am sure the local law will put a lot of effort into convicting them.
Hopefully they do a little more than the offender did to ensure this guy was guilty before locking them up.
Get charged, get bail - killed to protect the community!
Some days I shake my head and think “wtf people.” No one wants kiddie fiddlers running around free. However, anyone can be accused of anything. That’s why we’ve got all this process in place and even then folk get railroaded.
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Hopefully they do a little more than the offender did to ensure this guy was guilty before locking them up.
Get charged, get bail - killed to protect the community!
Some days I shake my head and think “wtf people.” No one wants kiddie fiddlers running around free. However, anyone can be accused of anything. That’s why we’ve got all this process in place and even then folk get railroaded.
Did you even read the article?
The child porn was icing for the cake. I consider this guy rehabilitated. And the recidivism rate just went to zero.
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Hey, that's not to far from here. I remember hearing about him being charged after his girlfriend turned him in. Didn't know he had made bail. (Illinois needs money, they get 10% of your bail amount, so there is a financial incentive to get you post bail, otherwise you are an "expense" and not "revenue" on the ledger.
Anyway, Aurora is heavily Hispanic, so this could be a gang taking out the trash.
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I seem to recall that the purpose of the police and the justice system was to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands. But when the people lose faith and confidence in those system, the "Social Compact/Contract", where they see double and triple standards for different people, depending...Then the Social Compact/Contract is conidered void....
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I seem to recall that the purpose of the police and the justice system was to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands. But when the people lose faith and confidence in those system, the "Social Compact/Contract", where they see double and triple standards for different people, depending...Then the Social Compact/Contract is conidered void....
That sums it up pretty well, IMHO. The perception that the criminals have more rights than the victims has become so widespread and pervasive that vigilantism had to happen sooner or later.
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Did you even read the article?
The child porn was icing for the cake. I consider this guy rehabilitated. And the recidivism rate just went to zero.
What was he convicted of again? Did the guy get a chance to even argue that he didn’t do it?
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Hey, that's not to far from here. I remember hearing about him being charged after his girlfriend turned him in. Didn't know he had made bail. (Illinois needs money, they get 10% of your bail amount, so there is a financial incentive to get you post bail, otherwise you are an "expense" and not "revenue" on the ledger.
Anyway, Aurora is heavily Hispanic, so this could be a gang taking out the trash.
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I seem to recall that the purpose of the police and the justice system was to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands. But when the people lose faith and confidence in those system, the "Social Compact/Contract", where they see double and triple standards for different people, depending...Then the Social Compact/Contract is conidered void....
The US has some of the highest conviction rates, incarceration rates, and severity of sentences in the world.
In what universe are the rights of he accused too much!?
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That sums it up pretty well, IMHO. The perception that the criminals have more rights than the victims has become so widespread and pervasive that vigilantism had to happen sooner or later.
This is just nuts, law enforcement has never been better resources in the history of the us and the consequences for people who face an accusation are dire even when it evaporates.
Pretty safe to say there’s absolutely no grounds for beheading people off the back of an accusation.
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As was pointed out to me by a friend on FB...
This incident did NOT happen.
It's literally fake news.
Which in and of itself is a tragedy.
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What was he convicted of again? Did the guy get a chance to even argue that he didn’t do it?
Thank you, Senator, for voting to confirm Kavanaugh.
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This is just nuts, law enforcement has never been better resources in the history of the us and the consequences for people who face an accusation are dire even when it evaporates.
Pretty safe to say there’s absolutely no grounds for beheading people off the back of an accusation.
You make a good point. Vigilante actions are very often targeted at innocent people. The US has a pretty strong history of vigilante actions, some of it good and plenty of it bad. Hawkmoon is right in what he said. The purpose of law enforcement (in general) is to take care of criminal activity in a just manner so people don't feel the need to resort to mob justice. People recognize that mob justice and vigilantism is often unfair and unjust and are willing to leave that to proper law enforcement. The problem comes when people see criminals get away with crime repeatedly. At some point, they fear the crime more than they fear the results of vigilantism.
I might make an additional sideways point, is vigilante activity really that much worse than law enforcement getting out of control? We have seen stories of them inventing unproven theories about hair follicles and bite marks (for example) and using it to convict innocent people. Or rigging lines ups so victims identify the person they want them to or interrogating someone for 12 hours until they admit to something they didn't do. There have been lots of unjust things done by law enforcement also. When we judge vigilantes, we gotta remember that law enforcement can be just as reprehensible when not done responsibly.
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...There have been lots of unjust things done by law enforcement also. When we judge vigilantes, we gotta remember that law enforcement can be just as reprehensible when not done responsibly.
Let's keep in mind that one is not an excuse for the other.
Fakery in the OP or not, De Selby brings up some important points regarding one guilty party going free, as opposed to one innocent party being hanged.
And the trouble with the concept of "breaking the social contract" is that too often one's perceptions of what the social contract is, is really just a reflection of one's personal outrages in the context of one's present-day society --or even just of one's own geography.
Societies change, after all. And other States may have a different concept of the age of consent than you might have, even on this day of 22 September 2018 CE.
So you've got to be pretty careful about "the social contract has been broken."
It may only be that your particular perception of this thing called the social contract has been broken or something has offended, irritated, or outraged you, personally.
Terry
(Edited to clarify concepts.)
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Let's keep in mind that one is not an excuse for the other.
Fakery in the OP or not, De Selby brings up some important points regarding one guilty party going free, as opposed to one innocent party being hanged.
And the trouble with the concept of "breaking the social contract" is that too often one's perceptions of what the social contract is, just reflects one's personal outrages in the context of one's present-day society --and indeed, one's own geography.
Societies change, after all. And other States may have a different concept of the age of consent than you might have, even on this day of 22 September 2018 CE.
So you've got to be pretty careful about "the social contract has been broken."
It may only be that your particular perception of this thing called the social contract has been broken or something has offended, irritated, or outraged you, personally.
Terry
Agreed on the bolded part. Just pointing out that vigilante actions sometimes aren't worst thing that can happen. There are lots of ways justice can get screwed up. Using injustice to justify more injustice is usually the wrong way to go.
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Didn't something like this already happen some years ago?
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That sums it up pretty well, IMHO. The perception that the criminals have more rights than the victims has become so widespread and pervasive that vigilantism had to happen sooner or later.
Whether this is true or not is debatable, but I can guarantee you that this is the public perception. This is why Marsy's Law ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsy%27s_Law ) is being passed around the country. It passed here in Ohio last fall, even though most of the provisions in that law were already a part of Ohio law. People don't realize victims have rights, simply because they don't get published in the press. What does get published are defendant's getting bail, seeking to suppress evidence, appealing decisions, etc., because these stories generate clicks, especially with catchy headlines. You never read a story about a crime victim getting assistance with medical bills, or being allowed to meet with an attorney at now cost, etc. It's not "news worthy," meaning no one would click on the article absent a misleading headline.
That said, on the issue of bail, most states require a court to set "reasonable bail" in cases absent some additional findings (flight risk, threat to the community, etc.) Many reporters covering the court beat seem to forget that when they write stories about bail being set.
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Lol, look at the front page. You know this is a fake news/parody site, right?