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To the American posters on this forum
« on: July 04, 2010, 12:49:22 PM »
We may disagree, and I know that we argue on many issues. But whatever our disagreements may be, and whatever we differ on, the important thing is: America is the nation founded upon the principle that all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. THat individual liberty is not just a political principle - that it is a moral principle - the moral principle that should the chief guide of our political principles.

We may argue about the specifics - but it is not a coincidence that the greatest jump in human achievement - in America and abroad - follows 1776. Between 1776 and 2010, humanity had reached further than in the millenia of its history before that.  When we compare between what we have today as societies and what we want to have - we lose sight of the progress we had already made. Two centuries ago, America was the world’s only free nation. Today, over a third of the world’s nations maintain at least a degree of free speech and private property rights - and it’s because of people like Tom Paine, and Jefferson, and Hancock.

“All men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.” I’ve quoted those words many times - to audiences of people who have never been in America, who speak fractured English. And there’s no quote, no phrase that can likewise inspire people and reignite that belief in liberty - even in people who are not Americans, who do not even speak the language.

It’s not a coincidence that it is Americans that walked on the Moon. It’s not a coincidence that Norman Borlaug was an American citizen. It’s not a coincidence that Americans contributed so much to the world’s economic growth, prosperity, and freedom.

Economic growth and freedom are mutually supportive prospects. More freedom equals more economic growth - but wealthier societies allow their members more differentiation in their habits, in their work patterns, in their hobbies. These are the things that define a man - not just where he works, but how he spends his life outside of work. The average daily features of American life - the hobby store, the separate house, the personal automobile - are the symbols of individual liberty as powerful as the rifle and the printing press.

We can argue on the best strategies of preserving this individual liberty. We can argue about what cultural and philosophical approaches are more conducive to a society where men are free. But it is not arguable that it is men like JEfferson, and Hancock, and Thomas Nelson are the people who first created the vision of liberty, and maintained it with their toil and blood. And today, the ordinary American maintains it - by his ordinary, daily work - that society which is perhaps not as free and just as we like it to be, but which is still free and just.

True, oppression still exists, even in America. But if there is any nation whose main feature is its liberty, where liberty and individualism is the defining point of its culture, America is that country. And if there is any country today where it is possible to reach for even greater liberty (perhaps even for an end to the existing forms of oppression) - then this country is America. By merely existing, America defies the designs of social-engineers and totalitarians. By merely being, it intimidates socialists, and fascists, and their pitiful Wahhabi offspring.

People sometimes forget that the American anthem does not end in only one stanza. It does not end with a question. It ends with an affirmation:

And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
 O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![


I would like to thank Americans - and America - for existing. For being free.

Thank you all.

Happy 4th of July.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 02:42:15 PM »
Thank you, Boris.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 02:54:21 PM »
your welcome, and thanks for a nice write up
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 05:02:11 PM »
I'll get the e-Beers in, so long as you guys promise not to tar and feather me.  :P
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 05:18:31 PM »
Thanks Micro.

That was a much appreciated post.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 05:39:44 PM »
I wish that more people like you would immigrate to the US and make it a better/stronger country, but I also admire and understand you sticking to your homeland and trying to make it better (after all, I wouldn't quickly leave the US for greener pastures).  Good luck.  Maybe one day we'll be posting about your independence day.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 05:42:28 PM »
Actually, I'm working on my degree. After I'm done with that I'll be working on a doctorate. And then I'll be looking at emigration.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 06:35:44 PM »
Very nice post MB. Thank you.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 09:43:29 PM »
Thanks. 
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 11:08:24 PM »
I'll accept your thanks on behalf of all those before me who did the heavy lifting before it was my turn to do my part.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 11:34:47 PM »
I just came back and read the OP again.

That's a class act.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 11:46:00 PM »
I'll get the e-Beers in, so long as you guys promise not to tar and feather me.  :P

Written by an American in London this 04JULY2010:
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/07/04/london-fourth/#
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More than three thousand bodies lie buried in Westminster Abbey, including Elizabeth I and Henry V; the one grave over which nobody is allowed to walk, and which even royal coronation processions must swerve to avoid, is the tomb of an unknown soldier from World War One.  Carefully displayed nearby is the Congressional Medal of Honor awarded by the United States to the unknown hero.  (America’s unknown soldier was awarded the Victoria Cross in return; no decorations by any of Britain’s other wartime allies are on display.)
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2010, 12:18:18 AM »
I just came back and read the OP again.

That's a class act.

Boris IS a class act and his contributions to this forum are greatly appreciated. Here's to our brothers and sisters abroad--those under arms, and those under protest signs--keeping the flame of freedom alive in a darkening world.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2010, 12:30:21 AM »
Meh.  I already knew we were awesome.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2010, 11:11:16 PM »
Maybe we need a flag waving emoticon. 

 =D  Thanks.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2010, 12:10:36 AM »
Character knows no boundries, political, social, or societal.  That, my friends, is the epitome of the OP.

MB, buddy, I salute you.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2010, 12:40:56 AM »
That was very kind of you to say.

May we live up to that standard in the future and really be that "shining city on a hill".
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2010, 09:27:10 AM »
Boris,

You are more of an American than some of us.  America is a vision and a reality.  Not much of that in the world.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2010, 05:17:34 PM »
Thank You, MB.

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2010, 05:40:39 PM »
Thank you, MB . . . I wish your attitude were more prevalent in Washington, DC. (Including the Oval Office.)
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2010, 09:40:22 PM »
I appreciate the sentiment, Micro.  I really do.

But...

I used to be quit proud of our country, proud that we built (and maintained) a society around principles of justice and liberty and reason.  But anymore we're becoming a society that is deliberately turning out backs on liberty, justice and reason.

Do we still deserve to be proud of ourselves, given that we're concertedly renouncing al that makes/made us great?

Luke 12:48 has been banging around in my head a lot lately. 

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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2010, 10:05:57 PM »
I appreciate the sentiment, Micro.  I really do.

But...

I used to be quit proud of our country, proud that we built (and maintained) a society around principles of justice and liberty and reason.  But anymore we're becoming a society that is deliberately turning out backs on liberty, justice and reason.

Do we still deserve to be proud of ourselves, given that we're concertedly renouncing al that makes/made us great?

Been thinking along those lines myself. 
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2010, 11:05:51 PM »
Do we still deserve to be proud of ourselves, given that we're concertedly renouncing al that makes/made us great?

I take a pretty dark view of human nature and its base nature, Americans included.  I figure there is a thin veneer of civilization.

Even so, my reaction to the above is along the lines of, [tonto]Who is 'we,' m***********?[/tonto]

Some folks have given years of their lives in a martial indentured servitude and then worked diligently on many fronts to reinvigorate this country.  Others have served as well outside of military service to promote liberty and the traditional values that are the bedrock of what makes us great.

Renounce, my lily-white *expletive deleted*ss.  I am proud of what many have done in the past and many are doing presently to beat back the forces of nihlism, statism, and anti-patriotism. 

As for those who are the problem, they are not celebrated and they can kiss my aforementioned fundament.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 11:24:19 PM »
What does the wicked son say? "What does this worship mean to you"? "To you" [meaning] and "not to him". Since he excluded himself from the community, he has denied the basic principle. You should also set his teeth on edge and say to him: "It is on account of this that Hashem did for me when I left Egypt". "for me" and not "for him" - had he been there, he would not have been redeemed.
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Re: To the American posters on this forum
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2010, 06:34:26 PM »
We may disagree, and I know that we argue on many issues. But whatever our disagreements may be, and whatever we differ on, the important thing is: America is the nation founded upon the principle that all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. THat individual liberty is not just a political principle - that it is a moral principle - the moral principle that should the chief guide of our political principles.

Happy 4th of July.

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     Interesting turn of the worm Boris.  Many Americans (myself included) see our philosophical heritage as being a derivative of Judaism (and Greek philosophism) with Roman and British intermediaries.

"7 The LORD said, "I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. 8 So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10 So now, go. I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt."

I watched a left wing liberal Democrat politician quote Nehemiah after 911. That was a turning point for my cynicism regarding America. Seeing that someone I so disagreed with, still had a speechwriter on his staff who could  write a speech that stirred my heart.

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 1 "The words of Nehemiah son of Hacaliah:
      In the month of Kislev in the twentieth year, while I was in the citadel of Susa, 2 Hanani, one of my brothers, came from Judah with some other men, and I questioned them about the Jewish remnant that survived the exile, and also about Jerusalem.
 3 They said to me, "Those who survived the exile and are back in the province are in great trouble and disgrace. The wall of Jerusalem is broken down, and its gates have been burned with fire."

 4 When I heard these things, I sat down and wept. For some days I mourned and fasted and prayed before the God of heaven. 5 Then I said:
       "O LORD, God of heaven, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with those who love him and obey his commands, 6 let your ear be attentive and your eyes open to hear the prayer your servant is praying before you day and night for your servants, the people of Israel. I confess the sins we Israelites, including myself and my father's house, have committed against you. 7 We have acted very wickedly toward you. We have not obeyed the commands, decrees and laws you gave your servant Moses.

 8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations, 9 but if you return to me and obey my commands, then even if your exiled people are at the farthest horizon, I will gather them from there and bring them to the place I have chosen as a dwelling for my Name.'

 10 "They are your servants and your people, whom you redeemed by your great strength and your mighty hand. 11 O Lord, let your ear be attentive to the prayer of this your servant and to the prayer of your servants who delight in revering your name. Give your servant success today by granting him favor in the presence of this man."
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