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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on April 27, 2011, 09:07:21 AM
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/
I guess it takes a year and a half to properly forge a 1960's era document, with the power and technology of the White House/CIA/NSA behind you? :lol:
I'm looking forward to seeing this document, and the reaction on both sides.
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This will not do anything. People who have persuaded themselves he's not properly President will keep at it - remember "Selected not Elected" and "Re-Elect Al Gore"?
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The Donald is taking credit for this. ;/
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Why is this still relevant? We have conclusive evidence that Obama was born in the US. All this will do is get the same people on about how the long form was faked.
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The issue was never WHERE Obama was born but who he really is and what guides his misbegotten policies. That he has been deliberately opaque--and oddly so--is irrrefutable. I still think he has something to hide, probably something related to his education, but what really matters about Obama is that, very simply, he's wrecking this country, be it out of ideological foolishness or incompetence.
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El Presidente finally posted it online:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Now what will WND write about? :laugh:
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[popcorn] [popcorn]
Oh goodie, the dog-&-pony show moves on, P. T. Barnum at the helm.
Never cared for this [barf] of an issue, didn't two years ago, don't now.
Donal Trump got his results :facepalm: And Obama is laughing at the birthers.
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The real question is, what is he trying to distract us from by doing this now? Why he bombed Libya but not Syria? China set to overtake America economically in 2016? It's a magic show folks, keep watching the hands...
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El Presidente finally posted it online:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
I thought the long form would be... longer
[tinfoil]
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Well, gee - that was easy.
So how come it took almost three years ???
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Why is this still relevant? We have conclusive evidence that Obama was born in the US. All this will do is get the same people on about how the long form was faked.
No, we have strong evidence, but not conclusive that he was born in the US.
Even prior to this, the evidence was good enough for me. (What kind of conspiracy is necessary to have your birth announcement in the papers at your birth so you can trick people into letting you be president in 40+ years?)
I'm still curious as to why he has stalled for so long. I'm also curious as to all the other things he's hiding.
Republicans don't get to keep records secret. In fact, Mr. Obama got LEGALLY SEALED documents of his political rival made available to the press to ensure his own victory.
Yeah, no double standards.
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I'm more interested in his college transcripts. For being all "look at me I'm so smart"...why not prove it? I mean, I had to give a copy of mine when I got my job.
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Why is this still relevant? We have conclusive evidence that Obama was born in the US. All this will do is get the same people on about how the long form was faked.
Too late. Already happened ... AM right wing radio this morning, ten minutes after the announcement. [popcorn]
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i don't think the post processing of the scan to enhance legibility was a good idea
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Does anybody else think this makes Obama look bad?
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I thought the long form would be... longer
[tinfoil]
Same length and categories as mine (aside from not asking if his parents are Hispanic, which is not really a concern with Hawaii).
I'm still curious as to why he has stalled for so long
I think he was waiting for an opportune time to release it, so he can destroy GOP contenders who believe the birth certificate conspiracy. Since it didn't look like the bigwigs (aside from Trump) bought into it, he played his card early.
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i await the typographic analysis of the typewritten font
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i await the typographic analysis of the typewritten font
Hopefully by the same people who did the Majestic-12 analysis. Perhaps the people who think that President Obama is an alien are not thinking alien enough. [tinfoil]
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i don't think the post processing of the scan to enhance legibility was a good idea
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Look at the first E in cErtificate.
Then look at the E in livE.
Pixels are identical. IDENTICAL.
Then look at the first I in certIficate and the I in lIve. Also identical, pixel-wise.
Also the first T in cerTificate and the T in birTh. Identical pixels.
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HT, your gif is what I would expect from typewritten entries... slight variations in spacing and ribbon imprint splatter on the paper.
Am I missing what you're trying to demonstrate in the gif?
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thats what it is showing to me too
The printed Master form should have uniform font defects, but the typewritter should be somewhat random
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pffft, while I lost my original long form a long time ago, I was born in 60 & that is not the kind of paper the ORIGINAL bc was printed on.
That is not the original birth certificate, like all Birth Certificates from that era it list religion - his undoubtedly says "Muslim" & that is probably why they won't release it.
That is simply a "new" long form
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except for the missing embossed seal, it seems to match this one:
http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
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My birth certificate doesn't even have my name on it.
I think it's a conspiracy to prevent people from knowing that his real middle name is Sylvester.
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hmmmm
hate to rain on the conspiracy parade but his seems just like mine. which makes sense since we were born same hospital 2 years apart. and mine says territorial birth certificate
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Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas
I think he was waiting for an opportune time to release it, so he can destroy GOP contenders who believe the birth certificate conspiracy. Since it didn't look like the bigwigs (aside from Trump) bought into it, he played his card early.
Bingo. That's what I thought all along. Never underestimate the cleverness of an opponent.
And we always do. Or almost always.
So now we'll go through the same crap with his college transcript. Probably looks better than mine, anyway, and as far as I know, there's no requirement that a President needs to even have a High School diploma.
Jeeze, folks. Let's stop farting around with junk like that and concentrate on his record as President and driver of the economy and getting the Rural vote out.
Terry, 230RN
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hmmmm
hate to rain on the conspiracy parade but his seems just like mine. which makes sense since we were born same hospital 2 years apart. and mine says territorial birth certificate
You photoshopped yours too? Why? >:D [popcorn]
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Why does the photocopy of the bound book (with the green cross-hatch safety background) merge the background perfectly with the photocopy stock paper which also has a green cross-hatch safety background?
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513
People are reporting that if you open this picture in Illustrator or Photoshop, that multiple image composition layers are evident, indicating image editing after scanning.
I lack these apps. Can anyone confirm?
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Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas
Bingo. That's what I thought all along. Never underestimate the cleverness of an opponent.
And we always do. Or almost always.
So now we'll go through the same crap with his college transcript. Probably looks better than mine, anyway, and as far as I know, there's no requirement that a President needs to even have a High School diploma.
Jeeze, folks. Let's stop farting around with junk like that and concentrate on his record as President and driver of the economy and getting the Rural vote out.
Terry, 230RN
First, it isn't really all that clever IMO. Once the courts refused to take action and the State of Hawaii said he was born there, there was really no where to go anyway. Second, none of the mainstream Republicans have ever touched this to any great extent. If they did pay attention, they were happy to let the fringe people run with it.
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photoshop just sees one layer
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illustrator sees a multiple layered file with the text as a separate element floated over a backround document of green hatches
with white halos for the enhanced text read
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illustrator sees a multiple layered file with the text as a separate element floated over a backround document of green hatches
with white halos for the enhanced text read
This stuff is all beyond my computer capabilities, but NRO suggests it's most likely whoever scanned it used a scanner or program that recognizes text.
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someone extracted the black and enhanced the document by making a multi layered file
the intent was image clarity, but they have created alot of questions
the certification block was treated as a separate element and they borked up the color conversion so the ink is 50 percent grey/green not black
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a prudent image processor would never separately treat the date field as a unique element
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Let us assume for the moment it's 100% real.
Given the subject, and the internet geek scrutiny sure to happen, it was pretty *expletive deleted*ing stupid to do ANY processing at all. This is just going to spawn more blog conspiracy theories.
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Let us assume for the moment it's 100% real.
Given the subject, and the internet geek scrutiny sure to happen, it was pretty *expletive deleted*ing stupid to do ANY processing at all. This is just going to spawn more blog conspiracy theories.
A lot of scanners will do the processing automatically, unless you specifically tell it not to.
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I don't think a scanner will do this level of manipulation
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joy, adobe acrobat pro says it was made on a mac in the OSX application "preview"
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Let us assume for the moment it's 100% real.
Given the subject, and the internet geek scrutiny sure to happen, it was pretty *expletive deleted*ing stupid to do ANY processing at all. This is just going to spawn more blog conspiracy theories.
It might be stupid, or it might be consistent with the theory that Obama was withholding the form to feed birther controversy. If the latter, it may have been fairly clever.
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The question to me is why was he hiding it. Maybe because his mother was 17 when she was impregnated by Barack Sr.
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If it is verified by an impartial third-party investigation, I'll believe it.....until then, the doubts persist....
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The question to me is why was he hiding it. Maybe because his mother was 17 when she was impregnated by Barack Sr.
Why does that matter? The age of consent NOW in Hawaii is 16, and I bet it was the same or less in 1960.
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The most troubling thing is that his mother is named "Stanley" ;/
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If it is verified by an impartial third-party investigation, I'll believe it.....until then, the doubts persist....
I don't care so much. It is a side show. There are a 1000 reasons NOT to vote for this guy. This birther stuff doesn't even make the list.
That said, IMO, the amusing part is how the Obama administration and liberal media has fumbled around the issue. A year or two ago they insisted they already released their birth certificate. Now they have released another one.
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I don't care so much. It is a side show. There are a 1000 reasons NOT to vote for this guy. This birther stuff doesn't even make the list.
That said, IMO, the amusing part is how the Obama administration and liberal media has fumbled around the issue. A year or two ago they insisted they already released their birth certificate. Now they have released another one.
Well, he has released two "budgets" for 2012 (though, only the first is really a presidents budget, the second is just talking points), why not release two of everything.
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Because of all the inconsistencies and now the "scan" with all the Photoshop/Illustrator layers, I'm now about 75% certain that the BHO administration/campaign has kept the birther conspiracy going on purpose.
I'd guess they feel it's diverting right-wing energy, and painting them as racist/crackpots to the non-partisan middle who's the key in any election these days.
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I bet it was the same or less in 1960.
probably but there was the pesky mann act. if they traveled as a couple
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I bet it was the same or less in 1960.
probably but there was the pesky mann act. if they traveled as a couple
Even in Hawaii? Weren't interracial (of all types) relationships and the like much more common and accepted there at the time, given the relatively large racial diversity and minority-white population. I don't know for sure, looking for new info.
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The Mann Act was not an anti-miscegenation law.
Back to the googles with you!!!!
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Of course the long form solved nothing. The wheel keeps on turning. Obama is today successfully painting his opponents as really, really slow types, not to be taken seriously.
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The Mann Act was not an anti-miscegenation law.
Back to the googles with you!!!!
Ah. Google is my friend. Interesting, but does it count if they were married?
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The Mann Act was not an anti-miscegenation law.
Back to the googles with you!!!!
the mann act was used as a one size fits all save the white wimmen from the darkies solution.and i am not using google for a source
but for you young uns
http://blog.granneman.com/2006/06/01/the-mann-act-as-problematic-law/
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I think, from Obama's perspective, the less that is known about his parents the better. Their coming together was not exactly the stuff of racial harmony mythology.
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I think, from Obama's perspective, the less that is known about his parents the better. Their coming together was not exactly the stuff of racial harmony mythology.
stanley....
heh heh.
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Of course the long form solved nothing. The wheel keeps on turning. Obama is today successfully painting his opponents as really, really slow types, not to be taken seriously.
Not so successfully. By doing this now, he's giving the impression that it was a legitimate issue all along, and that the birthers deserved an answer. He's also in the position of responding to Donald Trump, when he should have ignored him. He let Trump make him a chump.
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Maybe he was afraid the Trump would actually get elected in oh-twelve, and then say "You're fired!" =D
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cassandra & S daddy, does your BC list you or your parents religion?
I was bornin 1960 & mine did ( NYC )
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cassandra & S daddy, does your BC list you or your parents religion?
I was bornin 1960 & mine did ( NYC )
I was born in King County, Washington in 1960, and my birth certificate lists the religion of my parents.
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Kane county, IL, and nope, no religion on my BC.
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Why does that matter? The age of consent NOW in Hawaii is 16, and I bet it was the same or less in 1960.
They bumped it up from 14 to 16 in 2001 or maybe slightly after. I figure it's possible that it was 12 back in 1960, honestly.
And Obama was never hiding the fact that his mom was 17 when she was impregnated. He had a nice moment during the campaign when somebody asked him what he thought about Bristol and basically told the press to STFU about it.
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Not so successfully. By doing this now, he's giving the impression that it was a legitimate issue all along, and that the birthers deserved an answer. He's also in the position of responding to Donald Trump, when he should have ignored him. He let Trump make him a chump.
Obama has yet to learn what GWB, Clinton and all those before them knew... As President you set the tone, you never respond and use your flunkies to do your dirty work.
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Obama has yet to learn what GWB, Clinton and all those before them knew... As President you set the tone, you never respond and use your flunkies to do your dirty work.
I wonder if he and his staff have bought into the hype that his voice soothes all worries and sets everybody straight. Or maybe he just can't shut up.
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I wonder if he and his staff have bought into the hype that his voice soothes all worries and sets everybody straight. Or maybe he just can't shut up.
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mine doesn't have religion. my sisters does though. its from wake island. now that got the state dept clerk confused trying to decide if sis was a us citizen
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mine doesn't have religion. my sisters does though. its from wake island. now that got the state dept clerk confused trying to decide if sis was a us citizen
racist
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State of Hawaii ordered by federal judge to produce The Bamster's original typewritten birth certificate
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=331517#ixzz1UYbx6UDv
(I know it's WND)
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the judge hasn't ordered squat yet
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the judge hasn't ordered squat yet
I guess I misread it. Lawyer has a subpoena for the BC, State of Hawaii has refused, Judge has them to appear in federal court next month to explain why.
(is that close?)
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yeah orly taitz is like tammy faye baker with a jd
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Tammy Faye was a really nice lady, IDK why people always picked on her.