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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on February 06, 2009, 01:01:52 PM
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From a Tiger Direct email: Hitachi 1T drive. Anyone have any experience with these? It seems to be well reviewed.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=4306125&sku=TSD-1000H4
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$0.09 / Gigabyte, unbelievable.
I remember when $0.10 / Megabyte was broken, and the world freaked out! It wasn't that long ago!
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Heck, I remember when drives were $1000 per megabyte. Wholesale.
Brad
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My most recent hard drive purchase was a couple 80 gig drives for around $100 each what seems like only a few years ago. Still have those drives and if cleaned out they'd be maybe a quarter full of useful stuff. Just for laughs recently I looked online and saw the same thing, 1 Terrabyte drives for under $100. I was floored. I can't even imagine what I would possibly fill that drive up with. I guess if I lived in the city and downloaded movies all day long on FIOS I could see it, but it would take me about a year to fill that drive up if I were maxing out my current connection 24/7. Wow.
I do remember our first hard drive, an unbelievable 30 megs for I think around $800. Couldn't imagine ever filling that thing up.
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My most recent hard drive purchase was a couple 80 gig drives for around $100 each what seems like only a few years ago. Still have those drives and if cleaned out they'd be maybe a quarter full of useful stuff. Just for laughs recently I looked online and saw the same thing, 1 Terrabyte drives for under $100. I was floored. I can't even imagine what I would possibly fill that drive up with. I guess if I lived in the city and downloaded movies all day long on FIOS I could see it, but it would take me about a year to fill that drive up if I were maxing out my current connection 24/7. Wow.
I do remember our first hard drive, an unbelievable 30 megs for I think around $800. Couldn't imagine ever filling that thing up.
All my wife's music, all mine, hi res pics, movies (Red vs blue ftw!), a bunch of games, emulators and their roms....... it goes faster than you'd think.
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Looks like Newegg has the same drive up for $88 and free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145233
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Just the installation of photoshop is now 4 times larger than the 80 meg harddrive
that used to contain PS, quark, an OS, a zillion fonts and months of work files
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It takes upwards of a gig just to load WinDoze.
Brad
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1T hard drive on sale $90: a good deal?
Yup. Just ordered out a pair for a guy, costing us $109 each. (HP sold him the system with 2 drives, and set it up RAID 0. And when you have RAID 0, inevitably one drive will die.)
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You'd better buy two at that price, Balog.
All those files, and no backups?
You're tempting fate, in a big way.
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G98: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but fyi someone taught me a little trick about partitioning a drive and mirroring. :)
We don't have that much stuff on there atm. Maybe 300 gig. But we've deleted or moved to alternate storage a TON of stuff, and it'd be nice to have it centralized.
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Not sarcastic.
Pragmatic, yes.
I just had another HD crap out on me, an 80Gb Western Digital in an external USB enclosure.
Luckily, it was mirrored to one of my several SnapServers, but once again, the mortality of devices with spinning platters became evident.
It'll be heading to the rifle range soon, with others, to suffer this fate:
http://neuralmisfires.blogspot.com/2009/02/data-integrity.html
Partitioning a hard drive is cool, but if the drive craps out, so do the partitions.
Buying a second 1Terabyte HD for that cheap would make good insurance, and Raid 1 or mirroring ain't a bad idea at all.
This IBM workstation I'm on now is running RAID 1, and I've already had the good fortune to replace one drive in the mirrored pair with no loss of data. ;)
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Back in the 90's when I was a PC tech for a small local mom-n-pop computer chain, we got kind of jaded with all the smut we found on customer's PC's and started referring to storage in "porn units".
A 1 TB Drive would be a "LP drive" as in lottaporn...
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Back in the 90's when I was a PC tech for a small local mom-n-pop computer chain...
What were you? Twelve years old then? ;)
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Tigerdirect... If you think you got a good deal, count your fingers and toes and your family's fingers and toes. Seriously, If a rebate is involved, you will never see your money. Do a search on fatwallet.com about Tigerdirect.
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Just be careful where it's made. If it says "China", stay the hell away from it. I've read that those things phone home on their own.
No commie HD's for me...
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What were you? Twelve years old then? ;)
Close.. nineteen. :laugh:
Although I can say I wish I'd known you in high school.
If I'd brought someone in to American history class who'd seen the assassination attempt on Teddy Roosevelt when he visited Milwaukee, I'd have gotten lots of extra credit, I'm sure.
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Not bad.. I recently bought 2 1TB Seagates for $110 each.
That puts my server at 3.8TB it's never enough space.
I can fill a 1TB drive in a few days.
Gotta have room for all those old A-Team episodes :p
But I've had a 500GB and 200GB drive start their slow death... so I'm leary of all the new larger drives.
I back everything up on dvd's time willing just to be safe.
What I really need is a 10TB network drive mirrored for 5TB of space. Yeah that would take care of me for a year.
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So, when are they going to have a laptop PATA version? Maybe then I can convince the Debian installer developers that defaulting to a 5G /usr partition on a >100G drive is kinda silly.
Besides, in a slim form factor, you could make them in pre-stacked pairs for a standard bay in a desktop, with a built-in RAID controller to mirror them.
(I still don't know why Debian in particular works fine if I let it decide the partitions, but always fails to work right if I partition manually. I've done it manually for plenty of other distros, but Debian always seems to have a major problem with at least one of the partitions.)
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Hard to imagine that my first PC that I owned only had a 540 MB hard drive and 32 Meg of RAM.
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Hard to imagine that my first PC that I owned only had a 540 MB hard drive and 32 Meg of RAM.
:lol:
Mine had 512k of ram and a cassette tape drive.
And you were in constant peril of mistaking a tape of your BASIC programs for a music tape and sticking it in your Walkman.
SCREEEEEEEEEYYYAAOOOOOXXXZZZZZZZZBBUUUSSSSSSBBBEEEEEEEEEEEESCRAAWWWWWWWWWW...!
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:lol:
Mine had 512k of ram and a cassette tape drive.
And you were in constant peril of mistaking a tape of your BASIC programs for a music tape and sticking it in your Walkman.
SCREEEEEEEEEYYYAAOOOOOXXXZZZZZZZZBBUUUSSSSSSBBBEEEEEEEEEEEESCRAAWWWWWWWWWW...!
My first computer:
TRS-80 Color Computer with 16K RAM & cassette
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My first computer:
TRS-80 Color Computer with 16K RAM & cassette
Mine was a TRS-80 Model I, 4K RAM and cassette. It was modded and tweaked and spindled and mutilated until it had the BASIC II interpreter, an expansion interface, a huge 48K of RAM, and two blazingly fast 180K floppy disks.
It was really cool in its day. I even built some interface circuitry that plugged into the expansion port so it could control stuff in the outside world. Man, that was fun!
I still have it around here someplace. I wonder if it works.
eta: Every time one of these threads takes a turn into describing the first computers some of us owned, it amazes me just how many old mature geeks we have around APS. Then comes the realization that "geek" is often synonymous with "gunny".
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Mine was a TRS-80 Model I, 4K RAM and cassette. It was modded and tweaked and spindled and mutilated until it had the BASIC II interpreter, an expansion interface, a huge 48K of RAM, and two blazingly fast 180K floppy disks.
It was really cool in its day. I even built some interface circuitry that plugged into the expansion port so it could control stuff in the outside world. Man, that was fun!
I still have it around here someplace. I wonder if it works.
My first was a Model III. Basically the same, with all that stuff built in. It's been sitting in my folks' chicken house for 20 years. I wonder if it still works.
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Working with HD video, you can fill up a terabyte in less than a day.
Master files can be 50-100 GB easy.
Just be careful where it's made. If it says "China", stay the hell away from it. I've read that those things phone home on their own.
No commie HD's for me...
I would like to see how an external firewire drive could manage that, really.
I do just try to avoid drives from China after horror stories about how awful the Deskstars got after IBM moved production there...
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So, when are they going to have a laptop PATA version? Maybe then I can convince the Debian installer developers that defaulting to a 5G /usr partition on a >100G drive is kinda silly.
Besides, in a slim form factor, you could make them in pre-stacked pairs for a standard bay in a desktop, with a built-in RAID controller to mirror them.
(I still don't know why Debian in particular works fine if I let it decide the partitions, but always fails to work right if I partition manually. I've done it manually for plenty of other distros, but Debian always seems to have a major problem with at least one of the partitions.)
5G seems pretty big. /usr expands with the amount of packages you install, not the amount of files you save. I don't see where it makes sense to size it to a certain percentage of disk space.
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I'm too lazy to make any partitions. I use the brute force approach of using separate drives for everything on my main rig.
74GB Raptor for XP Pro x64
74GB Raptor for Vista Ultimate x64
750GB Seagate for Games
750GB Seagate for 'immediate' Storage (video projects and downloads)
2TB Western Digital Studio II for my CD collection backup, and everything else under the sun.
I'm using my notebook as my primary web machine at the moment though.
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5G seems pretty big. /usr expands with the amount of packages you install, not the amount of files you save. I don't see where it makes sense to size it to a certain percentage of disk space.
/dev/hda5 4806904 3747512 815208 83% /usr
I just installed on this machine last week. Granted, I've got most of the stuff from the current distro that I plan to use, but there are a few other things I'll probably be doing from source later.
10G would probably never fill up for 99% of users, but remember that a lot of different things go into /usr/*. [/usr/src|/usr/local/src] alone can get huge.
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Hard to imagine that my first PC that I owned only had a 540 MB hard drive and 32 Meg of RAM.
48K of ram and a floppy drive.
My first hard drive was a 40MB Seagate ST157A. That drive cost me more than the last PC I bought.
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48K of ram and a floppy drive.
My first hard drive was a 40MB Seagate ST157A. That drive cost me more than the last PC I bought.
I still miss the noises those drives made. They sounded really IMPORTANT!
Hard drives nowadays just click. Nowhere near as cool.
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Hard drives nowadays just click. Nowhere near as cool.
Sometimes they clunk. Sometimes they go tick-tick-tick. Sometimes they go "twanggggg!". Sometimes they go into a wind-up, wind-down, wind-up, wind-down cycle.
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:lol:
Mine had 512k of ram and a cassette tape drive.
And you were in constant peril of mistaking a tape of your BASIC programs for a music tape and sticking it in your Walkman.
SCREEEEEEEEEYYYAAOOOOOXXXZZZZZZZZBBUUUSSSSSSBBBEEEEEEEEEEEESCRAAWWWWWWWWWW...!
I remember those days. The very first PC I ever played with was a Heathkit homebuilt jobber that had 65K RAM, a monochrome screen, and cassette tape drives. I learned BASIC pretty quick, as I would change the parameters of a couple of games as to make it too hard to win, too hard to lose, or whatever tripped my trigger that day. I can safely say that I'm almost a "plank owner" of the Home Computer generation.
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/dev/hda5 4806904 3747512 815208 83% /usr
I just installed on this machine last week. Granted, I've got most of the stuff from the current distro that I plan to use, but there are a few other things I'll probably be doing from source later.
10G would probably never fill up for 99% of users, but remember that a lot of different things go into /usr/*. [/usr/src|/usr/local/src] alone can get huge.
use -h, human! =D
Okay, so you are a little over 3.5GB already. My own install is right at 3GB. Baseline includes a lot of stuff like your desktop env, etc. Those last 1.5 - 2GB fill up more slowly.
PROTIP: If you are installing a lot of stuff from source, make a /usr/local it's own partition and always ./configure --prefix=/usr/local If you bork something you can restore system to stock by unmounting /usr/local/
Sometimes they clunk. Sometimes they go tick-tick-tick. Sometimes they go "twanggggg!". Sometimes they go into a wind-up, wind-down, wind-up, wind-down cycle.
We are no longer the hard drives who say "click". We are now know ans the hard drives who say "Ickyicky icky ptang ptang whoooep bwooooow"
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REAL HUMANS use ZFS and can add storage on the fly.
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Timex Sinclair ZX-81. 1k of memory with outboard 16k expansion module. Membrane keyboard. Headphone jacks for to connect your own tape recorder, whereupon to save your programs.
My parents bought me that to see if my interest in computers was passing, or long-term. Once they surgically removed me from the thing, they bought me an IBM PC. 4.77MHz 8088. 256K. Two double-sided floppy drives (360k each). If Jean-Luc Picard had existed back then, I'd have felt like him.
My first hard disk was a Seagate ST-225. 20 megs of MFM, stepper-motor goodness. There was no way I'd ever fill it up.
-BP
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My first hard disk was a Seagate ST-225. 20 megs of MFM, stepper-motor goodness. There was no way I'd ever fill it up.
...with just one Powerpoint briefing.
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1980's Daffinition
10 meg harddrive:
The quickest way to loose 10 megs of data with one failure.
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Seagate 1.5T external at NewEgg for $199 while supplies last.
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx
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Okay, so you are a little over 3.5GB already. My own install is right at 3GB. Baseline includes a lot of stuff like your desktop env, etc. Those last 1.5 - 2GB fill up more slowly.
Actually, after I posted, I noticed that I didn't have anything in */src yet. That's a laptop, I'll probably be working up a new kernel for it and its predecessor soon, (since most of the hardware isn't changeable, no point in having support for things that will never be there, and things that are always there might as well be compiled in rather than modules) and that can end up taking a lot more space. I'm also starting to lean towards my old tactics of debugging (read as "find the otherwise irrelevant routine that's causing an error and comment it out, then recompile") certain things, which will result in a lot more source hanging around.
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Speaking of deals, I just hopped on their Dell Store page and they have some screaming deals on refurbs at the moment. Refurb'd 20" Ultrasharps for $179. Looks like they have about 50 in stock. Non-Ultrasharp 17's for as little as $100.
Looks to be some pretty good deals on CPUs, too.
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/desktops?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh
Brad
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Browsing that Dell outlet..... on some of those gaming rigs, they want $2k for a refurbished!! How much did they cost new......
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Factory overclocked, liquid cooled Dell XPS gaming units bring a pretty penny when new.
This one went for $7,129.00 when new:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2156657,00.asp
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Sweet merciful crap that's a spendy computer.
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REAL HUMANS use ZFS and can add storage on the fly.
REAL humans use LVM and then can add storage on the fly while using any old file system they want.
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Factory overclocked, liquid cooled Dell XPS gaming units bring a pretty penny when new.
This one went for $7,129.00 when new:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2156657,00.asp
And they depreciate faster than a Ford Taurus.
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Oh, for sure. I've been known to hop onto various custom PC sites, as well as the Mac Pro configurator, and spec a £15,000 rig. It won't really be any more powerful than a £2-3000 rig, and you can definitely watch the value of it drop every week!
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REAL humans use LVM and then can add storage on the fly while using any old file system they want.
Ouch.