COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[Ron]

There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.

BS, every 5-10 years there are stories about overwhelmed hospitals from flu outbreaks.

The reported mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably BS also. Nobody even hides the fact that dying with Covid is always reported as dying from Covid.

Wash your hands, wear a mask if it reduces your anxiety or you wish not to inadvertently spread it yourself should you happen to contract the infection.

If you have symptoms self quarantine. If you are high risk take extra precautions.

You should stop the fear mongering Charby. This isn't the Black Death.

Spreading irrational fear and blowing everything out of proportion is not helpful to anyone, well, some are profiting but that's a different story.

[TommyGunn]

There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.

We are pretty darn close to this if you believe the reporting.  

[Perd Hapley]

Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore.

About three days ago, in this very thread, I posted this:

https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/spotlight-flu-season-where-hospitals-are-slammed-hardest

This year's flu season is wreaking havoc on hospitals across the country, with ERs overflowing, hospitals diverting patients and too few beds to go around.

NBC Bay Area reported Thursday that in some California counties the rate of flu cases has doubled in just the last couple weeks. Already the flu has killed at least 10 people across the state and hospitals are slammed.

I just wondered if anyone would point out that it's from 2018.

Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection.

Sometimes people get caught up in one argument, and don't realize when someone makes a similar, but related, argument. This isn't about whether or not C-19 is a uniquely terrible disease. The question I'm asking is, if universal masking is a reasonable way to deal with this disease, why hasn't everyone been wearing masks all the time, to keep down other diseases? Diseases don't have to be deadly for people to take steps to avoid them.

Or, because it's commonly believed that working with small children is a good way to get and spread diseases, why haven't kindergarten and preschool teachers been wearing masks for the past hundred years?

[charby]

BS, every 5-10 years there are stories about overwhelmed hospitals from flu outbreaks.

The reported mortality rate of Covid is demonstrably BS also. Nobody even hides the fact that dying with Covid is always reported as dying from Covid.

Wash your hands, wear a mask if it reduces your anxiety or you wish not to inadvertently spread it yourself should you happen to contract the infection.

You should stop the fear mongering Charby.

Spreading irrational fear and blowing everything out of proportion is not helpful to anyone, well, some are profiting but that's a different story.

Show me those articles.

[Perd Hapley]

Show me those articles.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1280794#msg1280794

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61872.msg1281150#msg1281150

[Ron]

Show me those articles.

2009
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/swine-flu-stretch-icu-availability/story?id=8665454

2018
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

2015
https://www.daytondailynews.com/lifestyles/health/local-hospitals-ask-flu-patients-stay-away/I5jeXotxyNmHmZDIxgGHgI/

Add in other infectious diseases and you see all kinds of stories from around the country.

Emergency rooms and ICU's aren't designed and staffed to sit around on standby with a lot of excess capacity. I think it was they were designed to operate at 65% capacity normally.

Stop being a fear mongerer and learn how to GOOGLE yourself.

I posted links right away just show how ridiculous you are being.

The results were very dominated by 2018 btw and then the earlier swine flu.

[zxcvbob]

If you have had your vaccine, what's your beef with people who haven't had a vaccine? You're covered/protected, right? The root of the problem is with the illegal aliens since they have not had the health screening and vaccine regimen required by the law to enter this country. I spent the better part of a day when I enlisted in the Navy back in '66 undergoing a health exam and received myriad inoculations to be able to sail the Seven Seas and cross many borders. I expect nothing less from people crossing our borders.

Woody

Loose borders is a bigger problem overall than the anti-vax idiots.  (I will throw them a bone that the immunization schedule for infants might be too aggressive.)  But people not getting immunized is why measles &c is able to take hold and spread when the illegals bring it here.

[bedlamite]

Show me those articles.

How about this one where Cuomo says they were never overwhelmed by covid:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/

[K Frame]

Speaking of the regular flu overwhelming ERs, wasn't it last year, or perhaps the year before, where flu so overwhelmed the glorious socialist British medical system that they had to cancel virtually all routine procedures, as well as quite a few medically necessary procedures...

[charby]

How about this one where Cuomo says they were never overwhelmed by covid:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/cuomo-says-ny-hospitals-were-never-overwhelmed-at-covid-19-peak/

Well Ronnie Deutch better fire up the class action lawsuit for all the folks who's non covid issues were denied.

[charby]

I'm in my deer blind, I will read those posted articles later and comment back. Might be a few days if I'm cutting up a couple deer.

[RocketMan]

Wife just got back from Sam's Club and Target.  Target limited everyone to one 12-pack of TP and one 6-pack of paper towels.  Sam's Club was wiped out, no paper products at all.

[WLJ]

    From a college professor:

    You are a disingenuous ahole. I hope you have a huge Thanksgiving and everyone at it gets coronavirus. You are such an idiot. Make sure your whole family including your grandparents are there and then you can play Russian roulette with their lives.

    — Charles V Payne (@cvpayne) November 21, 2020

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/11/21/unity-and-healing-update-charles-payne-shares-note-from-super-tolerant-college-professor-about-thanksgiving-and-covid-19/

[zxcvbob]

Wife just got back from Sam's Club and Target.  Target limited everyone to one 12-pack of TP and one 6-pack of paper towels.  Sam's Club was wiped out, no paper products at all.

My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent

[ConstitutionCowboy]

My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent

Yeah, I think calling those big rolls 'smearing paper' is a much better apt description.

Woody

[Ben]

"Get a warrant." :)

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/go-get-a-warrant-business-owners-in-buffalo-win-a-standoff-with-state-health-inspector-video/

[WLJ]

My Sam's Club still had industrial TP in the giant rolls.  I thought about getting a package as an emergency backup (you don't really *need* a dispenser), but I think waxed paper or baking parchment from the kitchen section would be more absorbent

Thanks, you've single handedly started a run on wax paper.  

[zxcvbob]

"Get a warrant." :)

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/21/go-get-a-warrant-business-owners-in-buffalo-win-a-standoff-with-state-health-inspector-video/

That business will lose it's license.  But the sheriff's deputies knew they were right; the inspector was supposed to leave once they were told they were trespassing and they didn't have a warrant.  No idea what the alleged anonymous complaint was about.

[Cliffh]

There really isn't any disease in recent history that compares to human coronavirus. TB can be cured, diphtheria can be cured, measles/mumps has a very effective vaccine.

Influenza is nothing like human coronavirus. Even a big influenza outbreak doesn't overwhelm hospitals anymore. Also doesn't have the same mortality rate or have potential chronic issues that follow an infection. Things will be better with Covid-19 when there is a proven vaccine.

This story wasn't published in any media but I can verify the accuracy of it:

  Jan 2018;  I'd been feeling "not well" most of the morning.  Early afternoon, when I could no longer stand upright, DW called the ambulance.  When they arrived they tentatively diagnosed a problem with my appendix.

  The EMT's weren't able to take me to my usual hospital - they were over-run with flu cases.  So I was shuttled to another hospital.  Upon arrival they said I couldn't be admitted there - their ER was over-run with flu cases.  I was transferred to a different ambulance (the first one couldn't serve outside the county) and taken to a third hospital - where I was almost turned away, again because of too many flu cases.  Fortunately one of the doc's saw me on the gurney in the hall and took pity on me. 

  A couple hours later my appendix was out.  It'd burst some time during the run around...

  Anyway, yeah, the "normal" flu can overwhelm our medical system.

[zxcvbob]

I just got back from Sam's Club and Aldi.  I didn't check for tp at Aldi, but Sam's was out of it.  Sam's also didn't have #10 cans of any tomato products except diced and tomato sauce.  I used to buy Hunt's pizza sauce there for less than $3 per huge can; when I asked about it they said "we don't sell that anymore"    Probably because Costco doesn't sell it so now they don't have to either.

Aldi had plenty of 20 lb turkeys.  I didn't get one because it's too early, but I may regret that when I go to buy one on Tuesday and they are all gone.  They were a little low on 12-15 pounders.

I just got back from Aldi.  They were almost out of the 69¢ turkeys; I got the last one, a 15 pounder.  (they may get more, I dunno)  Also bought a 22# Butterball for 87¢ a pound.  The little one is in the freezer already.  I will probably cook that one for Christmas.  The big one is still sitting on the counter, I need to bring up an ice chest and put it in that and set it outside.  It should still be mostly frozen that way on Thursday morning.

[Angel Eyes]

[RocketMan]

We stopped at CVS after church and found they had a fair stock of TP.  In fact, they were selling both 4-packs and 12-packs at by one, get one free.

[Perd Hapley]

No TP shortage in the STL suburbs.

[MillCreek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/health/Covid-ventilators-stockpile.html

As I have mentioned before, the current issue is not so much a shortage of beds or ventilators, as it is a shortage of the staff to run the beds and ventilators.

[MechAg94]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/health/Covid-ventilators-stockpile.html

As I have mentioned before, the current issue is not so much a shortage of beds or ventilators, as it is a shortage of the staff to run the beds and ventilators.

There was never a shortage of ventilators.  There was a shortage based on someone's estimate of how many ventilators they would need.