COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[zxcvbob]

I guess new strains/mutations are emerging. I haven't read anything on it, but how are the current vaccines regarding strains? Are they somewhat "broad spectrum" for lack of a better layman's term?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/uk-tier-4-lockdowns-new-covid-strain-surge-cases

They should be broad-spectrum, but poorly so.  OTOH, as viruses (viri?  virii?) mutate the new ones tend to be less virulent. 

[Ben]

Viruses will Virus. I don't know why this is not being hit on more. There is a reason people get the common cold year after year and why so much research is put into "next year's flu strain" before coming up with the accepted vaccination. Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) will be around and around and around.

bob

I mentioned colds early on in the discussion, but people (not here - people in general) seem to treat the bioweapon differently, as if a vaccine will just cure everyone. If we can't do it with even the flu, then how do we do that with something more similar to a cold?

Not that there's anything wrong with working on vaccines, but they are not going to stop it. Especially if vaccines can't keep up with what appears to be (again, layman here) rather rapid mutation.

[dogmush]

I mentioned colds early on in the discussion, but people (not here - people in general) seem to treat the bioweapon differently, as if a vaccine will just cure everyone. If we can't do it with even the flu, then how do we do that with something more similar to a cold?

Not that there's anything wrong with working on vaccines, but they are not going to stop it. Especially if vaccines can't keep up with what appears to be (again, layman here) rather rapid mutation.

My understanding is that because the mRNA that is in the vaccines causes your cells to develop antibodies that target the spike proteins on the viral particle, rather than the specific SAR-COV-2 particle, this vaccine should be pretty effective for all Coronavirus (Coronaviri?) as they all have that "crown" of spike proteins. (hence the name)  But the details of that are well out of my depth of immunology.  That's just what an epidemiologist friend told me.

I don't know why the various versions of influenza are so slippery.

[Angel Eyes]

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A record 621 people died of drug overdoses in San Francisco so far this year, a staggering number that far outpaces the 173 deaths from COVID-19 the city has seen thus far.

Of course, drug overdoses are easily avoided by not using in the first place.

Avoiding the Kung Flu is a bit more problematic.

[Boomhauer]

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php

Of course, drug overdoses are easily avoided by not using in the first place.

Avoiding the Kung Flu is a bit more problematic.

So you’re telling me a city of 3.3 mil had only 173 Kung Flu deaths? I thought this was the Deadliest Disease Ever! Weak *expletive deleted*ing tea!

[Angel Eyes]

So you’re telling me a city of 3.3 mil had only 173 Kung Flu deaths? I thought this was the Deadliest Disease Ever! Weak *expletive deleted*ing tea!

Not to nitpick, but San Francisco's population is about 805,000 according to the 2010 Census.  Even so, 173 is still a mighty small percentage, so your point about "weak *expletive deleted*ing tea" is apt.

[charby]

They should be broad-spectrum, but poorly so.  OTOH, as viruses (viri?  virii?) mutate the new ones tend to be less virulent. 

Not always, look at the influenza viruses.

[RocketMan]

Ten years from now we'll be watching commercials on TV that say, "If you received the COVID-19 vaccination between 2020 and 2021, you may be entitled to compensation."

[charby]

Ten years from now we'll be watching commercials on TV that say, "If you received the COVID-19 vaccination between 2020 and 2021, you may be entitled to compensation."

I don't think so, I believe part of the agreement with the feds to fast track a vaccine was to remove the possibility of future lawsuits.

[kgbsquirrel]

I don't think so, I believe part of the agreement with the feds to fast track a vaccine was to remove the possibility of future lawsuits.

Laws don't mean what they say anymore.

[charby]

Laws don't mean what they say anymore.

True, common law relies on court decisions vs. the letter of the law.

[kgbsquirrel]

True, common law relies on court decisions vs. the letter of the law.

Specious and obtuse; we live under rule of power/men.

[charby]

Specious and obtuse; we live under rule of power/men.

Always have, you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.

[Ron]

Always have, you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it.

The primary difference is that historically the state tried to maintain the fiction by going along with the social contract as written in the original constitution.

The original "law" has been interpreted away over the decades.

Our courts and bureaucracies are no longer interested in maintaining the fiction.

They abandoned inalienable natural rights a long time ago.

[charby]

The primary difference is that historically the state tried to maintain the fiction by going along with the social contract as written in the original constitution.

The original "law" has been interpreted away over the decades.

Our courts and bureaucracies are no longer interested in maintaining the fiction.

They abandoned inalienable natural rights a long time ago.

It got derailed right from the start. i.e. Whiskey Act, became law in March 1791.

[Ron]

It got derailed right from the start. i.e. Whiskey Act, became law in March 1791.

Yea, but it is like mutations building up over the generations.

We live in the bizzaro world version of the original America.

[charby]

Yea, but it is like mutations building up over the generations.

We live in the bizzaro world version of the original America.

Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

[Jim147]

We are not that far from that. It still happens in some places. Just the races may have changed.

[Perd Hapley]

Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

Ooh, sick burn, bro.

[kgbsquirrel]

Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

Besides, we don't even have to ride your loaded question back in time for that, just go visit Libya.

[charby]

And when did you stop beating your wife?

Besides, we don't even have to ride your loaded question back in time for that, just go visit Libya.

Libya isn't the US.

[Ben]

I continue to be irked by this:

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/12/21/no-masks-no-social-distancing-how-come-saturday-night-live-continues-to-be-an-essential-business-in-nyc/

Restaurants are shut down or heavily restricted, kids can't go to school, but these idiots can carry on like nothing is happening (all while smugly using their twitters to nag ordinary people about masks and sacrifice).

[Ron]

Do you want to go back when white folks could own humans, women were second class citizens and you could kill Indians without legal consequences?

I would like to reverse the movement toward the government acting as if it owns its citizens, where everyone is a second class citizen compared to our petty rulers and the state can kill its citizens with impunity.

LEX REX based upon inalienable God given natural rights.

[charby]

I would like to reverse the movement toward the government acting as if it owns its citizens, where everyone is a second class citizen compared to our petty rulers and the state can kill its citizens with impunity.

LEX REX based upon inalienable God given natural rights.

Unfortunately none of us were alive during that time, probably need to go back to time of the 1780s with the Articles of Confederation.

I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2ns World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.

[Ron]

Unfortunately none of us were alive during that time, probably need to go back to time of the 1780s with the Articles of Confederation.

I think you want to go back to the 25-30 year period after the 2ns World War, where just about every industrial nation was bombed and the only functional one left was the US and she dominated the world for a while.

I think you have a terrible habit of arguing against straw men and imputing arguments to people they never made.