Media tiptoeing around Islamic ...

[Lee]

Connection to Boston bombing? I figured this would end up in politics, at best, so posted this here.
It's interesting that only a casual reference to the kid's Russian social media page has been made.

[AJ Dual]

Watching Rock Center on NBC, and they brought up the younger brother's Russian language social networking page and highlighted the "Worldview - Islamic" entry on it.

And they also brought up the older brother's quote "I have no American friends, I don't understand them" from whatever website or twitter posting that was.

No, not beating the war drums over it, but I don't think everyone's hiding it.

[Lee]

A little different than if he had been a tea party person, or pretty much anything other than Muslim.
Perhaps it just a given these days.

[Perd Hapley]

To our betters in the media, the Most Important Thing is that we not be bigots. That's how they advise us every time something like this happens. "I just hope that this does not become a reason for you Morlocks to hate Muslims."

[Tallpine]

To our betters in the media, the Most Important Thing is that we not be bigots. That's how they advise us every time something like this happens. "I just hope that this does not become a reason for you Morlocks to hate Muslims."

But it's okay to hate Rural Americans 

[birdman]

Connection to Boston bombing? I figured this would end up in politics, at best, so posted this here.
It's interesting that only a casual reference to the kid's Russian social media page has been made.

Fox wasn't.  Watching the takedown, even Geraldo was saying Muslim, Islamic, or similar like every 10th word

[Perd Hapley]

But it's okay to hate Rural Americans 

They don't hate you. They just need to re-educate you. Or at least control you. It's for your own good.

[Tallpine]

They don't hate you. They just need to re-educate you. Or at least control you. It's for your own good.

Because I'm bitter and clinging 

[zxcvbob]

They don't hate you. They just need to re-educate you. Or at least control you. It's for your own good.

Of course they hate us.  Embrace it.

[Perd Hapley]

Of course they hate us.  Embrace it.

We know that. I think a lot of them know it. They still think they're right. They still think they need to "civilize" us.

[Tallpine]

We know that. I think a lot of them know it. They still think they're right. They still think they need to "civilize" us.

The British thought that, too 

Saorsa!  

[cambeul41]

I was married into a Muslim family for 26 years. All wonderful people. (OK, I heard the there was a nasty uncle whom they successfully kept way form me.)

I am quite iritated by all this uninformed talk about "those people" as an undifferntiated mass. I suspect those that do so do not know on a personal level any Muslim.

Only semi-related, are you aware of how of how many Arab Muslim women wear false wear leashes? Most as determined by an informal survey by me in face to face observation.

[lee n. field]

Only semi-related, are you aware of how of how many Arab Muslim women wear false wear leashes? Most as determined by an informal survey by me in face to face observation.

Leashes, or lashes?

[birdman]

I was married into a Muslim family for 26 years. All wonderful people. (OK, I heard the there was a nasty uncle whom they successfully kept way form me.)

I am quite iritated by all this uninformed talk about "those people" as an undifferntiated mass. I suspect those that do so do not know on a personal level any Muslim.

Only semi-related, are you aware of how of how many Arab Muslim women wear false wear leashes? Most as determined by an informal survey by me in face to face observation.

Well, I do (know Muslims)

The problem isn't Islam, its that while the radical elements of other religions (e.g. KKK, etc) are met with active scorn, and most religions AID in the removal of such elements, the general consensus is that Muslims do not.  While that belief may be invalid, one would think there would be a lot more of "hey, those guys are giving our religion a bad name, lets help get rid of them" instead of -just- "hey, we aren't like those guys"

[RoadKingLarry]

I am quite iritated by all this uninformed talk about "those people" as an undifferntiated mass. I suspect those that do so do not know on a personal level any Muslim.

I tend to think that a lot of the "those people" comments are aimed at the radical elements and not so much the "all the wonderful people".

[birdman]

I tend to think that a lot of the "those people" comments are aimed at the radical elements and not so much the "all the wonderful people".

I agree.  Most people really couldn't care less what religion people are.  Its when people who self identify as "true {choose your religion}" go and kill a bunch of people.

When people say that they don't like those people, its probably fair to assume the smaller group.

My point remains...I have YET to see a general, religion-wide condemning of the behavior, instead of a "don't blame us as a whole".

[AJ Dual]

Well, I do (know Muslims)

The problem isn't Islam, its that while the radical elements of other religions (e.g. KKK, etc) are met with active scorn, and most religions AID in the removal of such elements, the general consensus is that Muslims do not.  While that belief may be invalid, one would think there would be a lot more of "hey, those guys are giving our religion a bad name, lets help get rid of them" instead of -just- "hey, we aren't like those guys"

I posted this on Arfcom in a thread on a similar topic:

Well, there are a lot of different sects in Islam, and besides the main split between Sunni and Shiites, there's tons of other sub-sects and traditions that branch off through the followings of various writings and Imams, then on top of that there's all the cultural groups of different countries, or ethnicity/tribes within those different countries.

So imagine uh.. .for instance... er... some Catholic French Canadian from Quebec goes ape-*expletive deleted*, and for whatever reason kills a bunch of people in China "in the name of Christianity".

So the Chinese media comes to you, a Presbyterian from the United States, sticks a microphone in your face, and because you're both European/Caucasians from North America, and both "Christians", they want to know what you think about what the guy did and why don't you denounce it.

Well hell, from your perspective the guy's a different religion, a different ethnicity, and from a different country. Your first impulse isn't to denounce it, but to be pissed as to what the hell this French Canadian Catholic even has to do with you...  

Now imagine that the majority of the Chinese people and their media, after years and years keep on asking you this, or imply it, and "don't get it", how much of a *expletive deleted* would you give if some Catholic guys from Quebec kept on going over there and killing them?

[zxcvbob]

S h i i t e  == expletive deleted?

[Lee]

I've got nothing against Muslims. I do have something against the ones who think it is their duty to kill people unlike themselves. If a Klan member set off bombs in Harlem, the media would be talking about nothing but the Klan and racism.  From initial reports, it appears that the older brother's distorted view of his faith was the primary motivation for this act.

[roo_ster]

The biggest problem non-spoldey muslims have is that the fundy/splodey muslims hew closer to the orthodox reading of their faith's big documents.  The labels used by most in the west are not helpful in conveying this.

Mohammed was a conqueror and murdered non-muslim men & women out of hand when they were inconvenient.  There is a big difference between WWJD? and WWMD?

[freakazoid]

Well, I do (know Muslims)

The problem isn't Islam, its that while the radical elements of other religions (e.g. KKK, etc) are met with active scorn, and most religions AID in the removal of such elements, the general consensus is that Muslims do not.  While that belief may be invalid, one would think there would be a lot more of "hey, those guys are giving our religion a bad name, lets help get rid of them" instead of -just- "hey, we aren't like those guys"

I'm curious about how you expect them to do that? Go out as armed roving gangs?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I'm curious about how you expect them to do that? Go out as armed roving gangs?

Great point. Its a real bite when the fundys kill you and your family if you speak up.  Does keep folks from opposing the fringe.

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[birdman]

Great point. Its a real bite when the fundys kill you and your family if you speak up.  Does keep folks from opposing the fringe.

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I'm curious about how you expect them to do that? Go out as armed roving gangs?

[sarcasm]
You know, you guys are TOTALLY RIGHT, there is NOTHING they could do to help rid their religion of the negative "splody" types, and if we want them to stop "splody-y-ing" we have to find them ourselves, because its not the responsibility of a group to police itself, when that group is harming others.
[/sarcasm]

Okay, here is my solution:
1. Find out which town/village/family the splody guy came from.
2. Kill EVERYBODY in that unit.
3. Go on the news saying "damn straight, we killed everyone, because you guys can't seem to find the bad guys yourselves, and guess what, we care going to keep doing this"
3. Repeat (I guarantee, they will run out of people before we run out of bombs)

Because you know what, I'm sick of this religion of peace crap, you don't see a 14-yr old Mormon going to another country to BLOW THEMSELVES UP.  And that's a religion that was persecuted by OUR country.

So it needs to be a decision, find the bad guys, and kill them, or we will, and we are less....precise.

Sounds terrible?  Sounds like murder of innocents?  Well, at least the innocents we would kill are in so e way affiliated with the bad guys, not say, an 8 year old kid at a sporting event six thousand goddamn miles from the crap my "terrorism" is protesting.

Screw them. 

[birdman]

I posted this on Arfcom in a thread on a similar topic:

You are also right, there are many different sects...lets see if we can find one that doesn't have splody elements:
Sunni: damn...those crazy AQ bastards
Shia: crap, Hamas, Libya, etc.
Hrm...not much help, seems like breaking it down into a catholic/Protestant like divide to see if we can isolate which part of the religion of peace thinks of it in a more...energetic nature.

So you tell me, can YOU narrow it down to ONE region/sect?

Because your analogy seems to rely on (not my country)/(not my sect). When it seems to me, using your analogy, we have québécois Presbyterians, American Mormons, Argentinian Lutherans, German baptists, Japanese Catholics and every other country/sect combo you can get.

Oh wait you say...why didn't people come down this hard on Irish Catholics with the whole IRA thing...well, it turns out the troubles got way more attention when they STOPPED targeting innocent kids/families/etc.  because it tends to piss people off and hurt your cause...in effect they policed themselves, and it WAS a specific region/sect.

The problem is these people aren't saying "I'm blowing you in another country up because I'm Shia" (referring to terrorism HERE) they are saying Islam.  Wen the self-grouping doesn't occur, and when the rest don't condemn a specific region/sect (ie "don't blame Islam"...with no follow up of "blame....something") others can't help but apply the same non-grouping that you are so vehement about.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Your analysis of the irish "troubles" is most unique.
Not realistic

We had similar action ob the tez with aim

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