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« on: December 16, 2005, 10:22:36 AM »
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Senate rejects reauthorization of USA Patriot Act

WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.

In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.

President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent
, and add new safeguards and expiration dates to the two most controversial parts: roving wiretaps and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.

Feingold, Craig and other critics said that wasn't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on Dec. 31.

Frist changed his vote at the last moment after seeing the critics would win. He decided to vote with the prevailing side so he could call for a new vote at any time. He immediately objected to an offer of a short term extension from Democrats, saying the House won't approve it and the president won't sign it.

"We have more to fear from terrorism than we do from this Patriot Act," Frist warned.

If the Patriot Act provisions expire, Republicans say they will place the blame on Democrats in next year's midterm elections. "In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without these vital tools for a single moment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The time for Democrats to stop standing in the way has come."

But the Patriot Act's critics got a boost from a New York Times report saying Bush authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of people inside the United States. Previously, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations.

"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

"It is time to have some checks and balances in this country," shouted Sen. Patrick Leahy, ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. "We are more American for doing that."

Most of the Patriot Act -- which expanded the government's surveillance and prosecutorial powers against suspected terrorists, their associates and financiers -- was made permanent when Congress overwhelmingly passed it after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington. Making the rest of it permanent was a priority for both the Bush administration and Republican leaders on Capitol Hill before Congress adjourns for the year.

The House on Wednesday passed a House-Senate compromise bill to renew the expiring portions of the Patriot Act that supporters say added significant safeguards to the law. Its Senate supporters say that compromise is the only thing that has a chance to pass Congress before 2006.

"This is a defining moment. There are no more compromises to be made, no more extensions of time. The bill is what it is," said Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

The bill's opponents say the original act was rushed into law, and Congress should take more time now to make sure the rights of innocent Americans are safeguarded before making the expiring provisions permanent.

"Those that would give up essential liberties in pursuit in a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security," said Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H. They suggested a short extension so negotiations could continue, but the Senate scrapped a Democratic-led effort to renew the USA Patriot Act for just three months before the vote began.

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 04:14:01 PM »
Im glad to see it myself. Its important to remember though that it isnt expiring because of our lawmakers' love of personal freedom, its happening because its the politically sound decision (kinda like how all those same lawmakers voted for it in the first place).

Regardless its good for America that it goes away, and I just hope that it does. My happiness is just tempered by the fact that the whole thing was a symptom of a broken system that hasnt gotten any better.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 04:22:10 PM »
OH NOES!!!!!!!11111ELEVEN

NOW TEH TURRRIERSTS R GIONG 2 FLY PLANS IN2 U!?!!!!!!ONEHUNDREDELEVEN

TEH TURRISTSTSTS HAVE 1!!!!!1111
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 06:50:33 PM »
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Half the party still doesn't trust me because when they interruped a heavily armed Drow sacrafice to said Driders...
Wait, that does not make any sense.  Drow HATE Driders, and the feeling is reciprocated.  What in Lolth's name are you playing? Cheesy

As for the "Patriot Act", may it die as quick as a red-tunic'd NPC.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »
No kidding, I thought a Drider was a drow warrior that fell out of favor with the priestesses, so he gets converted to the Drider form.  It's like a kind of punishment.


Uh..not that I'd know or anything.  Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 08:11:16 PM »
You all just failed your saving throw vs. nerdity.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 03:30:17 AM »
We were discussing the unPATRIOTic Act???

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 03:41:30 AM »
Senator Lisa Murkowski was part of the group that opposed PA. She just earned herself another vote from me next election and a complimentary e-mail.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 03:52:14 AM »
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Just for that, I'm going to make you read about my dungeons and dragons experience. .....
I really hate to admit this to myself or to anyone but I haven't the foggiest idea what this means.  You needn't spend time explaining.  I presume it's an internet exercise.  Please understand that my "gaming" stopped with "Frogger."  :-)

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2005, 05:14:07 AM »
Being as I am a "old dude" by some folks definition...

patriot

n : one who loves and defends his or her country [syn: nationalist]

na·tion·al·ism   Audio pronunciation of "nationalist" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (nsh-n-lzm, nshn-)
n.

   1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
   2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
   3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.


trea·son   Audio pronunciation of "treason" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (trzn)
n.

   1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
   2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.


4 entries found for gaming.
game1   Audio pronunciation of "gaming" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (gm)
n.

   1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games; word games.
      -. A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.
      -. The total number of points required to win a game: One hundred points is game in bridge.
      -   Mathematics. A model of a competitive situation that identifies interested parties and stipulates rules governing all aspects of the competition, used in game theory to determine the optimal course of action for an interested party.
     -. Wild animals, birds, or fish hunted for food or sport.

Well according to these definitions it would seem one such as myself, ahering to COTUS and BoR , with certain inalienable rights have been the "Patriot".

Them folks enacting such statues infringing in my rights, are the ones committing "Treason".

Gets into that "defending against all enemies foreign and domestic".


What do I know?  Never played video games.  Being a "gamer "  - yeah I do gaming...

Now I do admit to attending horse races, eating a Corned Beef Sandwich and watching the races. Sometimes just call my Bookie if I could not attend personally. I competed in shooting sports, and some not being sanctioned...folks still paid monies to play the game.
Monies for table tennis matches, shooting pool, even Pinball...

Pacman?  Yeah I "Played" that game twice.  Seems a 45ACP cures that damn obnoxious noise right quick. 12 ga slug takes care of the 13" TV being played thru.

Friend of mine asks if I knew any good ways to help her improve some changes she wanted to make in her life.

She to my knowledge has yet to replace her TV, Went back to college, Reads and studies RKBA stuff, and became more involved in shooting.

When her first computer finally died, we went out and shot it too. Then shot the HDD. Then she tossed all this in a deep hole, set it afire, and had dozer put the dirt back over it.  Some stuff need to be private. Some stuff needs to be defended. PC is one such tool. "Too much to do to play games - Freedoms at stake here".

Yep.