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Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« on: April 10, 2011, 11:33:11 AM »
http://www.revelife.com/695683765/jesus-christ-washing-osama-bin-ladens-feet/

This is from about four years ago, but I don't think we ever discussed it here. A lot of people were offended by some posters in a mall, in which Jesus washes the feet of various world leaders, including Osama bin Laden. It seems that most of the offended self-identified as Christians, (supposedly). Given that Jesus washed the feet of Judas Iscariot, I don't see what the uproar is all about.

One blogger said that "My Jesus would use nunchucks on Osama bin Laden. Or maybe rip his still beating heart out, Temple of Doom style." I understand that sentiment, but I think he misses the whole point of the artwork, and maybe even the Biblical account that is in view. I really doubt that the artist was trying to say that Christ wanted bin Laden's feet to be fresh and clean, so he could more comfortably plot death and destruction. I think it had something to do with Christ's love and forgiveness being open to all.

The one thing I'm not sure I'm on board with is the idea of putting OBL on a level with more legitimate world leaders. Or Kofi Annan, either.

The passage in which Christ washes stinky feet may be found here.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 11:37:35 AM »
My Jesus would use his Vulcan mind control on Chuck Norris, and Chuck would turn OBL into a rumpled meat-sack full of splintered bone.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 01:01:39 PM »
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not a Christian, but I have studied various and sundry flavors of chistianity's teachings.

My answer would be "Yes."

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A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another
to mean "love" in the sense of being pleased by, enjoying, or being fond of.  I do not believe that was the meaning implied, but rather something along the lines of "respect" or "honor."

I believe that if one accepts the descriptions of Jesus' worldview one must accept that he would respect every person regardless of that person's faults and failures.  Just as Jesus "respected" Judas' failure to be faithful (something that Jesus "knew" was necessary in order for Jesus to be able to fulfill his assigned role) Jesus "respected," for example, Simon Peter's request to have his hands and face washed as well as his feet.  Had he not "respected" - in this case think "allowed" - the request to be made, it would not have been possible to differentiate for the desciples the act of washing the feet (the purging of recent and temporary sins) and washing the entire body (the purging of all sin).

Yes, this goes to a view that Jesus only purged/purges only recent and temporary sins.  It also contains the view that there is another, different agent that will purge all sin.  Anybody that does not like that view is challenged to then explain why a trinity as opposed to a singularity.

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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 01:20:18 PM »
One blogger said that "My Jesus would use nunchucks on Osama bin Laden. Or maybe rip his still beating heart out, Temple of Doom style." I understand that sentiment, but I think he misses the whole point of the artwork, and maybe even the Biblical account that is in view. I really doubt that the artist was trying to say that Christ wanted bin Laden's feet to be fresh and clean, so he could more comfortably plot death and destruction. I think it had something to do with Christ's love and forgiveness being open to all.

Respectfully speaking, I've met few Christians that read the Bible cover to cover.  Of the few that I've met that did, only a very few did so more than once.  Most seem to focus on specific lines instead of entire books/sections.  I don't get it, but it appears fairly common to do so?

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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 01:25:46 PM »
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Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
No, Jesus washed the feet of his Apostles, who were his followers and believed in him.

Bin Laden would not be a believer of Jesus, so he would not wash his feet.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 02:03:30 PM »
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Respectfully speaking, I've met few Christians that read the Bible cover to cover.  Of the few that I've met that did, only a very few did so more than once.  Most seem to focus on specific lines instead of entire books/sections.  I don't get it, but it appears fairly common to do so?

I suspect so.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 02:11:59 PM »
Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" but was not much for honoring and tending to the worldly needs & vanities of the powerful.  Also, verse one of the passage hints at the purpose, "Now before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He would depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end."

IOW, on the eve before he washed away their sins with his blood, he symbolically washed the grime from their feet.

Check out verses 7 & 8, where Jesus makes it plain:
"Jesus answered and said to him, "What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter."  Peter [!] said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."

So, no, OBL as an outspoken unbeliever gets to meet God with his sins on his soul and grime on his feet.  If OBL has a change of heart and comes to believe Jesus is is savior, then alrighty with the Almighty making OBL's feet clean & whitey.

To sum up, those responsible for the image are clueless as to the meaning of the passage.  I am reminded of the scene in A Fish Called Wanda where JL Curtis dresses down the K Klein character about his total misapprehension of the philosophical and religious works he has read.

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    Otto: [superior smile] Apes don't read philosophy.
    Wanda: Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it! Let me correct you on a few things; Aristotle was not Belgian! The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself!" And the London Underground is not a political movement! Those are all mistakes. I looked them up.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 02:40:42 PM »
No, Jesus washed the feet of his Apostles, who were his followers and believed in him.

Bin Laden would not be a believer of Jesus, so he would not wash his feet.

I respectfully disagree.

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Jhn 13:12  So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you?

Jhn 13:13    "You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.

Jhn 13:14    "If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.

Jhn 13:15    "For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.

Jhn 13:16    "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.

Jesus said he washed the feet of the disciples as an example. He told them to go out and do the same thing -- in other words, he delegated.

I don't think Jesus himself would have washed the feet of any world leaders, because world leaders were/are not His disciples and would not understand the significance of the act. But I believe that Jesus would not object to one or more of the disciples washing the feet of world leaders, and I think He would also go along with washing Bin Laden's feet.

That would be to signify forgiveness. It would be the equivalent of turning the other cheek.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 02:42:30 PM »
To sum up, those responsible for the image are clueless as to the meaning of the passage.

Agreed 100 percent.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 08:19:51 PM »
Not sure about the circumstance where Christ would be found in a position to wash ObL's feet.

The whole feet washing is/was a cultural thing and the lessons being taught need to be understood in that context.

Having said that, Christ is resurrected, Christians are here, Christians are charged with emulated His love and service. So the question is really would you as a professed follower of Christ wash ObL's feet if called upon to do so?

I suspect most of us who profess Christ as our Lord and savior would probably, just as Peter did in the garden, draw our swords and strike to kill.

 
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 09:39:53 PM »
Of course he would................ as a pretext to break his toes.
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Re: Would Jesus wash Osama bin Laden's feet?
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2011, 10:11:14 PM »
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