Post by: 280plus on November 30, 2006, 12:49:28 AM
1960 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lockdown, FBI and Swat team called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
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Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1960 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best friends Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.
2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
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Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1960 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. Sits still in class.
2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his Dad gives him a whipping.
1960 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
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Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to school.
1960 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car and parent's home searched for drugs and weapons.
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Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1960: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic party. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he can't speak English.
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Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1960 - Ants die.
2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
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Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.
1960 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison.
Post by: Nightfall on November 30, 2006, 05:36:21 AM
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Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
I dunno about the rest of you, but when I was in school in the 90's, the last part at least was true. If Johnny came up and started hitting you, and you hit him back, you both got detention/after-school/etc. Self-defense wasn't differentiated from initiating violence. Unless you sat there and took it, you got in trouble too. Kinda helps explain some of the crap we hear from anti-self-defense folk&
Post by: Ben on November 30, 2006, 05:45:29 AM
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If Johnny came up and started hitting you, and you hit him back, you both got detention/after-school/etc.
This started in the 60's, at least where I grew up. The favorite saying of my elementary school Principal, Mrs. Albright, was, "It takes two to start a fight."
I was kinda scrawny when I was in elementary school, and got beat up quite a bit. I spent just as much time picking up rocks at recess as the other guy did because I participated in the fight by using my face or stomach to stop a fist*.
*Unfortunately, pop always told me to stand up for myself, so running away and telling a teacher wasn't an option.
Post by: HankB on November 30, 2006, 06:30:47 AM
The favorite saying of my elementary school Principal, Mrs. Albright, was, "It takes two to start a fight."
Things were different at my elementary school . . . except for one instance I won't go into. (Long story, ending with a long face on an idiot nun.) But if a teacher or principal had said something like "It takes two to start a fight" to me while meting out a punishment for being a victim, I would've been in MORE trouble for leaning across her desk, slapping her face, and saying "STOP STARTING A FIGHT WITH ME!!!!"
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on November 30, 2006, 07:40:35 AM
He locked us in the gym and told us to duke it out once and for all, or quit the nonsense fighting.
Post by: Bob F. on November 30, 2006, 04:11:20 PM
Graduated Catholic HS in '63. Know how quick 16 oz gloves will wear your butt out?? Really wanted to fight, go to the gym and put the gloves on. Had an issue with a teacher? He'd put the gloves on with ya'. Gotta love the Marist Brothers!! God bless 'em.
Butt hole wild child in senior yr smacked a dude in the head with a paper wad in class. I'm talking baseball size wad at about 6 feet! (mass x velocity= THUMP!) Marist principal (all 5'6") happened to be walking by the door. Joe the perp, desk and all, were dragged out the door, by the neck. Hear a few thumps in the hall. Class went on with no one batting an eye. Joe eventually came back to class, quiet as a mouse, but not that day.
Actually, some psychologists are saying that the problem with violence in schools is that kids have no outlet for normal childhood/teen/pubescent tensions. We played "cops & robbers", "cowboys & indians", "war" and all that good sh... aahh, stuff!
A lot of the problems today could be solved with a good, old fashioned ass kicking!!
Stay safe.
Bob
Post by: cosine on November 30, 2006, 04:18:01 PM
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Actually, some psychologists are saying that the problem with violence in schools is that kids have no outlet for normal childhood/teen/pubescent tensions. We played "cops & robbers", "cowboys & indians", "war" and all that good sh... aahh, stuff!
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
You know, I've never ever been in a fight. Never started a fight either. But then, I played a lot of cops 'n robbers and war with my brothers when I was little.
Post by: Antibubba on November 30, 2006, 09:24:51 PM
Post by: Vodka7 on November 30, 2006, 10:13:28 PM
Kids just aren't allowed to be kids any more--somehow everything is so much more dangerous than it was before, and the only safe activities are apparently playing videogames inside, or finding something to do in your fenced in backyard with a mother watching from inside (how much fun can you have with your mom watching, anyway?)
Post by: 280plus on December 01, 2006, 12:45:19 AM
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"go outside, you're driving me crazy."
Yup, we weren't allowed to stay in the house during summer, mostly for the above reason. 
Post by: Leatherneck on December 01, 2006, 03:37:44 AM
Thug shapes up and completes class. Today? Hah!
TC
Post by: Ex-MA Hole on December 01, 2006, 05:37:44 AM
It's pretty sad how kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore
Any qustions?
http://www.10news.com/education/10102602/detail.html
Post by: LAK on December 12, 2006, 02:57:10 AM
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2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
.... and one day Jeffrey waltzes into school with a couple of guns and murders a few students and teachers.-------------------------------------
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