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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Bogie on August 11, 2021, 08:08:11 AM
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Harbor Freight's 10-packs of masks are at 99 cents. I had to buy one for a doctor's appointment, and I've been supposed to be wearing one at work. I get the occasional Karen.
I suspect that there's no longer a huge demand.
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Maybe that means the freakin' nitrile gloves will get back to normal too.
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Maybe that means the freakin' nitrile gloves will get back to normal too.
Maybe. My work used to pay $10/box and now they are $50.
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We buy millions of SKUs of PPE, and we have not seen the prices go down a whole lot. There is still tremendous demand, at least in the healthcare sector.
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Maybe that means the freakin' nitrile gloves will get back to normal too.
Last week our harbor fright had plenty of them in stock again but prices were still crazy high.
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When we walked through two big box stores yesterday they both had masks and sanitizer stuff on clearance.. I guess they didn't get the memo yet. >:D
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If the prices are low, I need to go ahead and get a couple packs to put away for the future.
I happened to get hold of a full face gas mask earlier this year. I need to make sure I have some filters for it. Might come in handy just for fun.
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I happened to get hold of a full face gas mask earlier this year. I need to make sure I have some filters for it. Might come in handy just for fun.
While I know it was armchair overkill, I had wanted one anyway for non-covid reasons, so when this whole shebang started last year, I bought a Mira CM-6 around JAN 2020. They were still on sale back then, albeit it with like a 3 month lead time. I'm ready for the apocalypse though. =D
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Harbor Freight's 10-packs of masks are at 99 cents. I had to buy one for a doctor's appointment, and I've been supposed to be wearing one at work. I get the occasional Karen.
I suspect that there's no longer a huge demand.
I bought a 2-pack of KN95 masks at HF a couple of days ago for $2. I haven't opened them yet but they feel nice and thick in the package, I think they are probably the real thing but not certified.
I've been wearing the same CE certified KN95 for about 2 months. (I don't wear it often) Not sure where my wife bought it. I wash it in the laundry. =) The ear loops are getting pretty loose so I should probably retire it.
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If it doesn't leave marks on your face, it isn't doing anything.
If you have to work in a dusty environment, and have dust on your face, it isn't doing anything.
I _STILL_ can't get PPE for my customers in the body shop business.
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If it doesn't leave marks on your face, it isn't doing anything.
If you have to work in a dusty environment, and have dust on your face, it isn't doing anything.
I _STILL_ can't get PPE for my customers in the body shop business.
We are running into real shortages of gloves and face shields
And forget N95 masks for breathing protection. Also our wonderful *expletive deleted*ing idiot safety director denied our welder’s request for a PAPR hood (pressurized air in welding helmet) because it has the word respirator in its description and that’s a “liability”
and he, said safety director, is a dumbass that doesn’t know *expletive deleted*it about working a real job so now our welder who is grinding and air arcing has to breath it all in.
Yet you go to Walmart and the *expletive deleted*ing unwashed trash methheads of society are all walking around with face shield, mask, gloves like they are going into a hot zone but dressed in dirty ass pajama pants and tank tops with their greasy bellies hanging out. They’d do better avoiding COVID by bathing daily and practicing hygiene instead of using all the PPE up.
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I get folks who are wearing the blue nitrile gloves... The same pair, all day long, looks nasty as hell, and the mask has grunge on it... The real winners have bedazzled masks or shields.
And they get upset if you say something like "No, I can't get into your dank ride to plug this thing in, and no, I won't tell you something different from the last three places that did your car's tarot...
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Yet you go to Walmart and the *expletive deleted*ing unwashed trash methheads of society are all walking around with face shield, mask, gloves like they are going into a hot zone but dressed in dirty ass pajama pants and tank tops with their greasy bellies hanging out. They’d do better avoiding COVID by bathing daily and practicing hygiene instead of using all the PPE up.
You obviously frequent a different Walmart than the one I go to. In recent weeks, I'd guesstimate that 50% of the customers don't wear a mask at all. And, of the ones who do wear a mask, 90% of them pull it down under their chin a soon as they get beyond the greeter.
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While I know it was armchair overkill, I had wanted one anyway for non-covid reasons, so when this whole shebang started last year, I bought a Mira CM-6 around JAN 2020. They were still on sale back then, albeit it with like a 3 month lead time. I'm ready for the apocalypse though. =D
Mine is something like that. I just need to remember to pull it out and order filter cartridges and maybe some chemical cartridges. If something actually pushes me to use it, it will likely be pretty bad.
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" so now our welder who is grinding and air arcing has to breath it all in. "
Isn't that an OSHA violation?
That would get the "safety" director to change his tune really quickly, I bet.
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What is OSHA going to do if you cannot procure the PPE?
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What is OSHA going to do if you cannot procure the PPE?
PPE is available at Harbor Freight, Home Depot, and Lowes now. I don't know how good it is, but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing.
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Oh, and I'm STILL seeing the 95 masks with the vents...
"You're wearing that because you really care about other people, right?"
And they look puzzled.
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Oh, and I'm STILL seeing the 95 masks with the vents...
"You're wearing that because you really care about other people, right?"
And they look puzzled.
^?^
You actually do that?
A stranger goes up to someone out of the blue and asks something like that, no wonder they'd look puzzled.
Terry, 230RN
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What is OSHA going to do if you cannot procure the PPE?
What you described wasn't an inability to get PPE, it was an adamant refusal to procure PPE for a potentially hazardous activity. Different kinds of things entirely.
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Usually it involves someone talking at me because I'm not wearing a face diaper...
That, and I'm not a member of a protected minority, some who seem to have plenty of protection.
I saw a car a couple of days ago that had to have over 200 masks in the front seat... Not in packages. They appeared to be used...
"Sorry, not getting in here."
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Seriously - I have had people tell me, with great seriousness, "I was tested several days ago, and just found out that I'm negative, and I'm so happy to be safe." Some other folks have tested multiple times, also in the belief that it provides protection.
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I found some soft filters at a welding store, they pop into a silicone half mask 3m respirator- about the size of a small pancake, they fit under a welding hood. Not near as nice as an air supply, but better than nothing.
part number 3m 2297 P100
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I saw a car a couple of days ago that had to have over 200 masks in the front seat... Not in packages. They appeared to be used...
"Sorry, not getting in here."
We keep 2 or 3 hanging off the blinker of our SUV that we rotate out when they start looking "used". I only wear them at the hospital(s) so that's all purified, healthy air, right? ;/
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I saw a car a couple of days ago that had to have over 200 masks in the front seat... Not in packages. They appeared to be used...
"Sorry, not getting in here."
At least that person is changing their mask from time to time. Seen people wearing masks that are noticeably stained..
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" so now our welder who is grinding and air arcing has to breath it all in. "
Isn't that an OSHA violation?
That would get the "safety" director to change his tune really quickly, I bet.
Could be, but probably not. OSHA actually makes it pretty difficult to give your employees respirators. If the employer provides them there needs to be record keeping, training, a management program, and medical evaluations of the employees that will be using them. It's one of the places that the bureaucracy makes people less safe by trying to make people safer.
Engineering controls, despite being less effective, are cheaper to instal and maintain in compliance, so that's where most employers go. I actually got a warning during an OSHA assistance visit (DOD workplace is only sorta required to be OSHA compliant) for having 3M half mask respirators available to my workers.
OSHA 1910. 134 standard:
https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/1910/1910.134
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I'm thinking the guy with the car full is picking them up... Or something... All different colors.
Oh, and I got karen'd again today by a guy in a vent mask...
"Why aren't you wearing a mask?"
"I'm not an 80 year old cancer patient - and why are you wearing that thing with the vent?"
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CNN Praises Taliban For Wearing Masks During Attack
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-praises-taliban-for-wearing-masks-during-attack
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9256-1.jpg)
Inspired by their example, the Biden Administration has invited the Taliban to the White House to record TikTok videos in hopes of convincing Trump supporters to get vaccinated.
:laugh:
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I have observed that most of the blue & white masks come from the country that gave us this disease in the first place.
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Got Karened again today... Guy insisted I hop to it to find him a special oil for his special whatever... Went and grabbed it from the warehouse section...
"Isn't there a mask mandate here?"
"I work a very physical job, I've had my shots, I've had the 'Rona, and while I'm here sweating because I just ran, and I'm supposed to be staying off my broken foot, how would you like to pay for it?"
(oh, and my doctor's physician assistant seemed amazed that my widebody didn't trigger ALL the alarms on the bloodwork from the other day... Moving brake rotors, etc., all day will do that for you...)
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Have a coworker who is pushing back hard against corporate mask and vaccine policies (new policy is that if you want to work in a corporate office, you have to be vaccinated by October 11).
We've already got the all mask, all the time policy when you're near other employees (now you have to be masked if you're in the same zip code as another employee, pretty much).
He's so far refusing on both accounts. I overheard that the matter's been escalated to HR.
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Have a coworker who is pushing back hard against corporate mask and vaccine policies (new policy is that if you want to work in a corporate office, you have to be vaccinated by October 11).
We've already got the all mask, all the time policy when you're near other employees (now you have to be masked if you're in the same zip code as another employee, pretty much).
He's so far refusing on both accounts. I overheard that the matter's been escalated to HR.
So far as I have heard, it doesn't appear that judges are backing up striking down the stringent requirements (if it ends up the legal route).
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So far as I have heard, it doesn't appear that judges are backing up the stringent requirements (if it ends up the legal route).
That's for HR and corporate attorneys to figure out.
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That's for HR and corporate attorneys to figure out.
I can to correct myself as I got my words/thought twisted up. Other than religious exemptions, I haven't seen any judges go against mask/vaccine requirements.
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One of my coworkers has decided to go to the Lawyers and HR over our mask mandate as well. He cam back today from a month off and pitched a fit.
He is claiming an unspecified (to me anyway) medical condition that requires unhindered breaths and is asking for a reasonable accommodation under the ADA.
We'll see what happens.
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I forgot (well, I didn't, really, I was at work and didn't want to mention it) to note that there's an exception for eating/drinking at your desk.
So, this guy, who sits at the desk right next to mine, has a trick...
He's got a big-assed bag of sunflower seeds and keeps a big wad of them in his cheek and spits the hulls into a cup on his desk...
Apparently he's claiming that he's exempt from wearing a mask because he's "eating."
I think there's going to be an open seat next to me pretty soon because his boss is just about ready to can his ass from what I understand.
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Have a coworker who is pushing back hard against corporate mask and vaccine policies (new policy is that if you want to work in a corporate office, you have to be vaccinated by October 11).
We've already got the all mask, all the time policy when you're near other employees (now you have to be masked if you're in the same zip code as another employee, pretty much).
He's so far refusing on both accounts. I overheard that the matter's been escalated to HR.
Ran in to a former AT&T co-worker yesterday. He told me about the pending vaccine mandate. From what he is hearing there will be a mass exodus of craft workers (union labor) locally if it goes down.
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On the one hand, we have vast numbers of jobs going unfilled.
On the other hand, large corporations are going to start kicking out people that want to work, all because they won't go through every step of the covid dance?
OK
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Here's the fun part.
The masks don't block the 'Rona viruses. Especially if they don't seal to the face.
And you're indoors.
So, you'll have clouds of the damn beasties. Whether folks are wearing the masks or not.
I wonder how many of the folks who are freaking out have already caught it, not noticed, and just beat it...
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FWIW, a friend who works at Barnes told me "The 'Covid is in the news, but it isn't in the hospitals."
St. Louis' casedemic curve continues to look like last summer's...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
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Here's the fun part.
The masks don't block the 'Rona viruses. Especially if they don't seal to the face.
And you're indoors.
So, you'll have clouds of the damn beasties. Whether folks are wearing the masks or not.
I wonder how many of the folks who are freaking out have already caught it, not noticed, and just beat it...
And they say that may be true whether people are vaccinated or not.
Do they really know yet how this is spread? There was a whole lot of conflicting information and "studies" last year. It was all confused.
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On the one hand, we have vast numbers of jobs going unfilled.
On the other hand, large corporations are going to start kicking out people that want to work, all because they won't go through every step of the covid dance?
OK
I came here to say that but you beat me to it.
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FWIW, a friend who works at Barnes told me "The 'Covid is in the news, but it isn't in the hospitals."
St. Louis' casedemic curve continues to look like last summer's...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
When it gets hot, and especially humid, people go indoors, where it spreads easily, so it spikes in hot climates. In the north, when it gets cold, people also go indoors, so look for maybe a spike in THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - oooops, covid 19 when and where it gets Cold too. Hopefully more people will be vaccinated by then and the numbers won't be so high, but expect spikes.
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Ran in to a former AT&T co-worker yesterday. He told me about the pending vaccine mandate. From what he is hearing there will be a mass exodus of craft workers (union labor) locally if it goes down.
The latest (as of 2 days ago) is that as of right now the vaccine mandate doesn't cover the unionized groups and that negotiations are ongoing with the unions to figure this out.
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Being that the unions are historically notoriously libtarded I would not be surprised to see them go along with vaccine mandates.
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Here's the fun part.
The masks don't block the 'Rona viruses. Especially if they don't seal to the face.
And you're indoors.
So, you'll have clouds of the damn beasties. Whether folks are wearing the masks or not.
I wonder how many of the folks who are freaking out have already caught it, not noticed, and just beat it...
Untrue.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
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Untrue.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
Interesting, but other "studies" disagree. I'd like to think masks are atleast somewhat effective, given how often I've had one plastered across my face this past year making me feel like I was preparing for a career as a bandit ..... [tinfoil] :mad:
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Masks aren't required at work. We have one person that could be described as spherical that "wears a mask to protect everyone" except that she always has it hanging from one ear, so her orange fingers can stuff Cheetos into her face.
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So, you are worried about West Nile Virus mosquitos entering your yard.
So you erect a 10' fence all the way around it.
And it's chain link.
And sometimes, at random, you take a few sections out.
My "former lab rat" self is NOT impressed.
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So, you are worried about West Nile Virus mosquitos entering your yard.
So you erect a 10' fence all the way around it.
And it's chain link.
And sometimes, at random, you take a few sections out.
My "former lab rat" self is NOT impressed.
This is misinformation. Everyone knows you need TWO chain-link fences to keep out mosquitos.
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Untrue.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
The study summarizes masks as 50% to 70% effective when worn correctly? Color me unimpressed.
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The study summarizes masks as 50% to 70% effective when worn correctly? Color me unimpressed.
[Shrug] my goal wasn't to impress you, but rather present data on the efficacy of mask wearing to combat community spread of the virus. Lots of people say masks don't work, when the demonstrably do work. If you'd like to argue they aren't effective enough to be worth the social and economic costs, that's a different and subjective arguement.
Interesting, but other "studies" disagree. I'd like to think masks are atleast somewhat effective, given how often I've had one plastered across my face this past year making me feel like I was preparing for a career as a bandit ..... [tinfoil] :mad:
Please post those studies so that we may compare methods, data, and outcomes.
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[Shrug] my goal wasn't to impress you, but rather present data on the efficacy of mask wearing to combat community spread of the virus. Lots of people say masks don't work, when the demonstrably do work. If you'd like to argue they aren't effective enough to be worth the social and economic costs, that's a different and subjective arguement.
Please post those studies so that we may compare methods, data, and outcomes.
Actual human studies to determine the infectious dose of Covid-19 have not been done due to ethical concerns. That is, the patient could die. However, studies have been done that attempt to extrapolate the Covid-19 infectious dose from the behavior of other viruses, including some that are related to Covid-19. From these studies it is thought that the infectious dose for Covid-19 is quite low.
If the outcomes of these studies are accurate, then a 50% to 70% mask efficacy is essentially useless. That is why I was unimpressed.
You can look for these studies yourself. They are easy to find.
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There is a link in one of the covid threads I posted of many studies showing the lack of any impact mask wearing has on the spread of covid across the nations.
The mask crowd can rightly point out it may not stop the spread but possibly can lower how much virus to which you are exposed.
How that justifies what we have been subjected to I don't know. The country has lost its mind and actually doesn't look anything like the mythology we've been sold about ourselves.
Sheep and slaves.
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Actual human studies to determine the infectious dose of Covid-19 have not been done due to ethical concerns. That is, the patient could die. However, studies have been done that attempt to extrapolate the Covid-19 infectious dose from the behavior of other viruses, including some that are related to Covid-19. From these studies it is thought that the infectious dose for Covid-19 is quite low.
If the outcomes of these studies are accurate, then a 50% to 70% mask efficacy is essentially useless. That is why I was unimpressed.
You can look for these studies yourself. They are easy to find.
Someone didn't read the link....
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Someone didn't read the link....
Actually, I did. And as stated, I wasn't impressed.
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There is a link in one of the covid threads I posted of many studies showing the lack of any impact mask wearing has on the spread of covid across the nations.
The mask crowd can rightly point out it may not stop the spread but possibly can lower how much virus to which you are exposed.
How that justifies what we have been subjected to I don't know. The country has lost its mind and actually doesn't look anything like the mythology we've been sold about ourselves.
Sheep and slaves.
People tend to eject small amounts of stuff from mouths as they talk and such. Wearing a mask blocks some of that from getting out into the air/surfaces. Not sure what it helps with on the receiving side.
I was thinking about that with the NRA Annual Meeting coming up. That has been very crowded at times. I don't know if they will try to require masks. I will have one with me. The odds of someone there carrying COVID are high. I am thinking about it.
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People tend to eject small amounts of stuff from mouths as they talk and such. Wearing a mask blocks some of that from getting out into the air/surfaces. Not sure what it helps with on the receiving side.
Though I think it was Millcreek who posted that covid particle sizes are very small. That doesn't mean a mask doesn't help. It's just a matter of how much, given mask type, proper fitting, etc.
I'm more concerned with the stuff like being arrested for not wearing one. That doesn't seem to help anyone with anything.
I believe we're at a point now where no one is going to be laughed at if they choose to wear a mask out and about. No different than if you choose to wear a ball cap someplace or not - nobody cares. It has simply become a common practice, and I think we can allow people to make their own decisions about it. I'd like to see a little of that leeway for people who choose not to mask up.
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Actually, I did. And as stated, I wasn't impressed.
If you had you would have noted that the table, that is the main results of the paper, all talks about infection risks, and lowered infection outcomes. How many individual particles make it or don't make it through are irrelevant to the results if you measure the infections, or drop in infection rates. (or case rates, as some of them do)
Wide spread mask wearing (even of cotton masks) has a large effect on slowing community spread of COVID-19. Study after study after study as well as real world measurements all show this. Even Ron's link, which I read and pointed out at the time, didn't actually show what he claimed. It showed that widespread masking was somewhere between 40% and 80% effective at slowing community spread.
Again: If you'd like to make the argument, as Ron is, that the social costs of enforced widespread masking is worse than the gains in lowered community spread of COVID-19, that's a more subjective call, and that could be made. However, trying to argue that masks don't slow community spread is provably, laughably, untrue.
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Okay. You are wearing your magic mask.
You're standing in line at 7/11, your morning cup of "don't kill the coworkers" clutched in your hand, and a wake'n'bake walks in the door, and you immediately smell the dank weed...
Tell me more about how that mask is magically blocking the covids...
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^^^An article on how smells get through a mask while virus-laden particles are blocked, at least by a N95 mask.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7447000/
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^^^An article on how smells get through a mask while virus-laden particles are blocked, at least by a N95 mask.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7447000/
Guess how many N95 masks I see in public? maybe one every few weeks. Interesting data but really a little off point. Unless we all get issued N95 masks.
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Most of the N95 masks that I've seen have the little "outgoing air" vents. Which don't filter the wearer's exhalations.
At all.
And something to consider... When you hit the company restroom after the boss treated everyone to a few White Castle crave cases, keep in mind that quite a few smells ARE particulate.
They -might- help with wet projectile stuff. Drop(let)s bit enough to be caught...
Have you sneezed with a mask on yet? I've seen people pulling them down.
They're basically just virtue signaling.
Oh, and the blue ones mean that you support the patriarchy, and our police's thin blue line.
I'm REALLY surprised that companies are not pushing HEPA filtration and so on for home/business hvac - but you can't wear a furnace filter to show how much you care about showing that you care about showing that you care about showing how much you care.
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Okay. You are wearing your magic mask.
You're standing in line at 7/11, your morning cup of "don't kill the coworkers" clutched in your hand, and a wake'n'bake walks in the door, and you immediately smell the dank weed...
Tell me more about how that mask is magically blocking the covids...
Smells are not carried by aerosolized droplets. You know that, right? And the smell of weed is not coming out of his upper respiratory tract through his mask. It's a completely different mechanism. Like, you can see him too, photons bounce off him and hit your eyes, but they don't carry COVID.
It's not a magic mask. I never claimed it was. It's just a piece of fabric that stops a bunch of the droplets that carry respiratory viri. If everyone is wearing one is significantly reduces community spread of (at least this) upper respiratory virus.
I'm not even a huge fan of masking. I do it at work (now) because I am required to. I avoid inside places that require a mask. I agree that the "you have to wear it to the table at a restaurant, but are fine when you sit down" is illogical, and at best a poor coping strategy. I held last year, and still think that governors had authority to do, at most, a week or two of mandating, but then it needed to go to the legislative bodies. years long "emergency mandates" are not great government. Ron does have a point that the societal costs of mask mandates should at least be considered.
But none of the above changes the fact that it's pretty dang clear that widespread mask wear in a population significantly reduces community spread of COVID-19. Probably other respiratory sicknesses as well. It's not some evil conspiracy, it's basic germ theory backed by, literally, more than a century of medical practice, and 100's of solidly researched studies and papers.
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And I see people driving alone in their cars, A/C on, windows up, mask firmly affixed on their faces.
It makes them feel safe.
Because safety is good. You have to have safety. Perfect safety. If you wear that mask, you're never going to die.
I'm more worried about getting shot than I am about dying of the 'rona. Because I'm not a terminally ill nursing home patient in a facility with shared, unfiltered, HVAC.
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And I see people driving alone in their cars, A/C on, windows up, mask firmly affixed on their faces.
It makes them feel safe.
Because safety is good. You have to have safety. Perfect safety. If you wear that mask, you're never going to die.
I'm more worried about getting shot than I am about dying of the 'rona. Because I'm not a terminally ill nursing home patient in a facility with shared, unfiltered, HVAC.
I sometimes wear a mask in my car. Because I'm making multiple stops where I want to wear it (or they want me to wear it) and I don't want to be taking if off and putting it back on any more than I have to.
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I've been at a light, and had someone yelling at me from their car (windows up...) waving a mask...
Just make sure that if you wear a mask that it isn't a white one - those support the KKK...
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We could play dueling studies all week, DM. For every study you find supporting mask wearing, I can find one that states the opposite. I've seen a number of them.
Does that mean I would believe the studies I dig up? No, it does not. Covid-19 is the most politicized virus in recent history, save HIV. It may even be more politicized than HIV. Many, if not most studies are, in my opinion, tainted by the politics of the virus. Who really knows which ones are believable? I sure as hell don't.
I do put some credence in the 50%-70% efficacy of masks that your study cites. Why? It just feels right, no other reason than that.
At those efficacy rates, masks are unlikely to do much good at protecting an uninfected person from catching Covid from an infected person. Given that the infectious dose of Covid particles is likely very low (you can catch the flu from as few a eighteen virus infused particles. Other studies of similar Corona viruses show fairly low infectious dosages.), a healthy person standing next to a sneezing or coughing Covid sufferer while both are wearing masks, is likely to inhale some load of the virus. After that, it's up to the newly exposed person's immune system whether or not they become infected.
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This post has a smattering of links about mask ineffectiveness.
https://wmbriggs.com/post/32326/
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I wonder how many people put on their magic masks to "save other people" when they themselves are ill, and venture out, trailing a bunch of viral particles that are leaking through/around their talisman of virtue?
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I've been at a light, and had someone yelling at me from their car (windows up...) waving a mask...
Just make sure that if you wear a mask that it isn't a white one - those support the KKK...
You have Karen’s that criticise you for not wearing a mask in your own car? Holy *expletive deleted*ck
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My immediate neighborhood is a gentrified portion of St. Louis.
It seems that a LOT of people in the area watch a LOT of television news. And really take it to heart. We have had a bunch more tests done than our population, for instance. I think that some of the folks think that the free tests protect them from the FATAL (as per the headlines on the evening news) virus... I regularly see people wearing multiple masks (usually gaping...) AND gloves. Sometimes the blue things, sometimes jersey or leather gloves. Saw one guy with welder's gloves. He had a helluva hard time getting his wallet into play to check out.
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So, you are worried about West Nile Virus mosquitos entering your yard.
So you erect a 10' fence all the way around it.
And it's chain link.
And sometimes, at random, you take a few sections out.
My "former lab rat" self is NOT impressed.
This is misinformation. Everyone knows you need TWO chain-link fences to keep out mosquitos.
You're both wrong, just put up a no mosquitos allowed sign. Works for guns right?
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Frankly, I think the whole kerfuffle is meant to keep folks from thinking about more important stuff...
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Frankly, I think the whole kerfuffle is meant to keep folks from thinking about more important stuff...
They certainly have you thinking about masks and COVID 24/7.
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Mostly when I walk past the computer...
But my VERY DAMN WOKE neighborhood also has a veritable bleepload of "covid awareness" stuff going on. It isn't stupid require a face panty to walk 10' from the door to a barstool... It is showing that you care about others.
I don't.
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Debating masks' merits is all well and good, but people seem to have overlooked the question of whether it's really reasonable to demand that the general public wear them on a regular basis.
There are plenty of public health measures we could demand of people, which would save lives. We could ban booze again. We could make flu vaccines mandatory. We could force everyone to have regular health and welfare screenings, and ban trans-fats, and strictly regulate fast food portion sizes.
But none of those things are the constant bugbear of the media, so we have to actually debate them, and vote to approve such measures. With covid, it's just one, never-ending emergency.
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Besides, masks are the reason why almost nobody died from the flu last year...
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Masks are so yesterday. Internment camps are the new craze.
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Masks are so yesterday. Internment camps are the new craze.
Or mass graves. Yes I have screenshots of leftists calling for people to be lined up and shot if they won’t take the vaccine
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They certainly have you thinking about masks and COVID 24/7.
That's a very good point. (not just about Bogie in particular but skeptics in general)
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When you look at a news site, and the first thoughts are... "Gee, that doesn't add up... And that doesn't either. And that's just off."
I'm still waiting for the moon-suited guys in the ambulances to walk down my street scraping the bodies off the pavement.
Only body on my block was a gangbanger.
I'm MUCH more worried about lead poisoning than about the 'Rona.
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Double post
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One of the things that I used to do at The Big Drug Company was proofreading. Proofing stuff written by PhD types for errors, including statistical stuff... You wouldn't believe how often a decimal gets moved... And when I saw the initial numbers from China, my first thought was "they're lying, and they're blowing things out of proportion." And things went downhill from there.
Mortality happens. Regardless.
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Not critical. Discovered these things right away when the mask stuff started.
1. You can't blow chewing gum bubbles. Not even the small ones you can make go crack.
2. You can't spit into the urinal when taking a leak. I never realized I had this habit.
3. Eyeglasses fog up perversely, at the most inopportune moments. Especially when you want to look at a lookable girl.
4. The back of my right ear is amazingly sensitive to the mask string for some reason. I've had to cushion that string with a scrap of tissue on occasion. Left one's OK.
5. I tried to think of that SF novel where filters in everyone's nostrils were required. Not critical to the story, just an opinion of the author, I guess. Asimov's "The Caves of Steel" in the original novel?
Just for what it's worth on a Saturday morning.
Terry, 230RN
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Bogie's in the big city, but here in the outlying area (St Louis County), the stores I've been to are no longer hectoring customers (maybe not even employees) to wear masks. At least not since the county executive's attempt to go back to a mask mandate was denied by both the county council and the courts. And that's even true in Cori Bush territory, where I live.
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My neighborhood is gentrified urban, altho most of the residents would never call it that. 95% for Clinton.
Even most of the old farts who are still hanging on were union, and still do whatever the union tells them to do.
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https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/02/a-look-at-scientific-evidence-suggesting-face-masks-damage-your-health/
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https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/02/a-look-at-scientific-evidence-suggesting-face-masks-damage-your-health/
There you go again, spreading counter-narrative misinformation. Banschwerk for you.
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https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/02/a-look-at-scientific-evidence-suggesting-face-masks-damage-your-health/
Masks can increase CO2 levels and lower Blood O2. OK, Numbers would be nice to judge how much.
Masks can cause pulse and respiration to rise? Sure, and it's definitely something to think about. I, for one, don't jog in a mask, and don't workout indoors where they require one. I can see where one would have to weigh their individual health against the activity they want to do that requires a mask.
Do governments, employers, and schools have the legal authority to subject Americans to the same stressor at work in waterboarding?
You lost me. GTFO of here with your hyperbolic bullshit.
It's bad enough that they do the now standard new thing of vague assertions with no real info and a hyperlink to their source, so you have to click through, get numbers from some other source, and apply them back to the article to get any real info, but torture? Make a real arguement.
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When I see someone wearing a mask, and they are not easily identified as Woke Folk, I assume they have warrants.
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I got Bells Palsy after having to wear a mask all day at Disney World. The sweat and splash from the water rides apparently provided the perfect breeding ground.
Now granted that’s an unusual case but it was not fun having stroke mouth for a few weeks. I’ve avoided the hell out of wearing a mask since.
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Masks can increase CO2 levels and lower Blood O2. OK, Numbers would be nice to judge how much.
Masks can cause pulse and respiration to rise? Sure, and it's definitely something to think about. I, for one, don't jog in a mask, and don't workout indoors where they require one. I can see where one would have to weigh their individual health against the activity they want to do that requires a mask.
You lost me. GTFO of here with your hyperbolic bullshit.
It's bad enough that they do the now standard new thing of vague assertions with no real info and a hyperlink to their source, so you have to click through, get numbers from some other source, and apply them back to the article to get any real info, but torture? Make a real arguement.
A little personal experience.
When I had my 3rd shoulder surgery (4th surgery for the year) last October I had to wear a mask while waiting in the pre-op ward.
Having had recent experience with the process I was familiar with the drill. They did a nerve block on the shoulder and lightly knocked me out for that procedure. Sometime after I was shaken awake by a couple of nurses and woke to find myself on O2 and no mask. The nurse told me my blood ox had dropped too low while I was napping with the mask on. They let me leave off the mask until they took me back and after my nearly 8 hour surgery they didn't make me put a mask on while I was in recovery nor when they wheeled me to the door.
I overheard the nurses talking amongst themselves while they thought I was napping before surgery and their opinions on the mask requirements were pretty well bullshit.
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A little personal experience.
When I had my 3rd shoulder surgery (4th surgery for the year) last October I had to wear a mask while waiting in the pre-op ward.
Having had recent experience with the process I was familiar with the drill. They did a nerve block on the shoulder and lightly knocked me out for that procedure. Sometime after I was shaken awake by a couple of nurses and woke to find myself on O2 and no mask. The nurse told me my blood ox had dropped too low while I was napping with the mask on. They let me leave off the mask until they took me back and after my nearly 8 hour surgery they didn't make me put a mask on while I was in recovery nor when they wheeled me to the door.
I overheard the nurses talking amongst themselves while they thought I was napping before surgery and their opinions on the mask requirements were pretty well bullshit.
That's interesting. I woulda thought you'd wake up in a panic when your CO2 levels got too high.
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When I see someone wearing a mask, and they are not easily identified as Woke Folk, I assume they have warrants.
Same same...
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That's interesting. I woulda thought you'd wake up in a panic when your CO2 levels got too high.
Very unlikely. A brain deprived of oxygen simply goes to sleep - permanently !
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A "customer" yesterday walked in, wearing a mask and sunglasses and a hat. Seems like a lot of the fashion is to cover as much skin as possible.
Grabbed a half dozen cans of paint, walked straight out the door, climbed in a plateless truck, probably stolen, and drove off.
They don't let me tackle them.
Another customer shows up, dressed much the same way, proceeds to interrogate me on deep cycle batteries for about a half hour. Finally figure out that he wants to go off-grid in the City. I tell him to look up Iron Edison, and he finally goes away. He was creeping out my new boss - mostly, to me, he was just one of the crazy locals...
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(https://i.imgur.com/4vaca88.jpg)
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Harbor Freight's 10-packs of masks are at 99 cents. I had to buy one for a doctor's appointment, and I've been supposed to be wearing one at work. I get the occasional Karen.
I suspect that there's no longer a huge demand.
Are those HF masks any good at all? How many plies are they?
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Are those HF masks any good at all? How many plies are they?
HF's KN95 respirator masks (item 58392) seem to be pretty good. Nice and thick, and they seal well around the edges and bridge. They don't have an NIOSH certification, but there's a little piece of official looking paper in the package that might be an equivalent Chinese certification -- of course even if it is it could be counterfeit. I like them and they weren't too expensive and seem durable enough to launder them.
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Apparently this is the latest mask celebrities and virgins are wearing. I notice the site is rather vague on both filtration in and out. It's apparently in double secret probation beta mode right now, price estimated at $300.
https://www.razer.com/campaigns/road-to-zephyr
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That's hilarious.
I have a Razer laptop, and it's great. I've used a Razer keyboard and mouse, and they were good for gaming.
Not sure they'd be my first choice for PPE.
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Not sure they'd be my first choice for PPE.
From the minimal gazoogling I did, they said they wanted to design the mask to be cool (as in hip), comfortable, and good for the environment (due to disposable mask pollution). Might be good fashion reasons, but yeah, for effectiveness, I'll stick with people like 3M.
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I have never seen anything more guaranteed to cause instantaneous soy face than that device. I'll stick to the same dirty cloth masks I've been wearing since the beginning and treating with reckless abandon.
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Are those HF masks any good at all? How many plies are they?
Uh... They work very good at getting Karen to STFU.
That's about it.
Pretty much NOTHING you can buy retail these days will do much to stop viral particles.
But they signal the BLEEP out of virtue.
Oh yeah - blue masks mean you support the Thin Blue Line - spread that word...
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For what it is worth...
I sell stuff to people who do automotive body work. Who sand bondo and fiberglass. Who paint cars.
I can't get PPE for my people, because there are people attempting to signal virtue. Can't get actual useful masks. And some folks wonder why I laugh at the crap that fashionable people are flaunting. Because I can't cry about it.
I can't get frickin' GLOVES for my customers. I wonder how many people will have problems due to the chemicals that they now have to be in contact with to do their jobs.
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For what it is worth...
I sell stuff to people who do automotive body work. Who sand bondo and fiberglass. Who paint cars.
I can't get PPE for my people, because there are people attempting to signal virtue. Can't get actual useful masks. And some folks wonder why I laugh at the crap that fashionable people are flaunting. Because I can't cry about it.
I can't get frickin' GLOVES for my customers. I wonder how many people will have problems due to the chemicals that they now have to be in contact with to do their jobs.
I expect a wave of new cancer to happen in the next couple decades from the excessive and continuous exposure to chemical agents.
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Nationally, this DEADLY disease has had 0.195% of the overall population die WITH it. Or at least attributed to it.
It is SO transmissible. Your best friend could be a carrier. SHUN them!
Oh, and most of those numbers were terminally ill patients over 70.
But SHUN your neighbors!
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For what it is worth...
I sell stuff to people who do automotive body work. Who sand bondo and fiberglass. Who paint cars.
I can't get PPE for my people, because there are people attempting to signal virtue. Can't get actual useful masks. And some folks wonder why I laugh at the crap that fashionable people are flaunting. Because I can't cry about it.
I can't get frickin' GLOVES for my customers. I wonder how many people will have problems due to the chemicals that they now have to be in contact with to do their jobs.
Your distributors suck. I haven't had a problem getting PPE for my guys except for a couple months right at the beginning.
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We would normally have about 50 or so boxes of gloves on the shelf, different weights and sizes. Now we've got about a dozen, and they're pretty much reserved for the shops. They have also darn near doubled in price.
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Many of you have probably heard that IL-ANNOY's governor, "Jabba the Hutt", ordered everybody mask up, indoors and out, regardless of vaccination status, effective 8/30/21.
I went to three grocers on Friday and only one even bothered to say anything to me.
I stopped in a local "Walfart" today and the greeter offered me a mask. I just said "No thanks" and continued into the store. I stopped at a Ace Hardware store a little while later and nothing was said.
So much for Jelly Belly's "executive order". [barf] :rofl:
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Had another customer ask for a free mask.
And put it in his pocket.
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Governor Brownshirt has decried masks for everyone everywhere and the morons out here Goebbles'd it right up like it was the sacred truth to not dying.
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My observation, from dealing with people, is that the low information folks are scared bleepless.
Generally not the smartest sheeples...
Unless, of course, they are really woke.
How to make one of those folks' head hurt: "You know, I've been wanting to get a good mask - do you know where I can get one that is certified to stop that virus thing?"
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Governor Brownshirt has decried masks for everyone everywhere and the morons out here Goebbles'd it right up like it was the sacred truth to not dying.
Everyone in Eastern OR is ignoring her. Even places like Albertsons and Home Despot, who last time both had signs out and were semi-sorta-enforcing masks, this time have no signs and are enforcing nothing.
It appears they are enforcing masks for their employees, but personal observation shows perhaps 10-20% of customers wearing masks. Further personal observation shows zero compliance with the outdoor mask mandate.
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Everyone in Eastern OR is ignoring her. Even places like Albertsons and Home Despot, who last time both had signs out and were semi-sorta-enforcing masks, this time have no signs and are enforcing nothing.
It appears they are enforcing masks for their employees, but personal observation shows perhaps 10-20% of customers wearing masks. Further personal observation shows zero compliance with the outdoor mask mandate.
They have not learned one of the first rules of leadership (it might even be rule #1, I'm not sure) Never give an order that you know will be ignored/disobeyed.
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They have not learned one of the first rules of leadership (it might even be rule #1, I'm not sure) Never give an order that you know will be ignored/disobeyed.
Unless you want it disobeyed as a legal excuse to push an agenda.
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Unless you want it disobeyed as a legal excuse to push an agenda.
IMO, the mask orders are just virtue signalling and they don't really care about them. They never have cared about masks for themselves as leftist elites all over the country have been caught not wearing masks where they recommend everyone else wear them.
I think the politicians in office are generally the useful idiots that are too stupid to know good leadership. The smart ones are probably running the billion dollar foundations that funnel money to those politicians and push agendas.
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Psaki let's one slip off her toungue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfjrj-_rjVg
Freudian slip if I ever saw one :lol:
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(https://i.imgur.com/4vaca88.jpg)
Tar. Feathers. Rail. Those.... people... in the back row.
Some assembly required.
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Some good links regarding mask mandates.
Briggs has done a yeoman's job of collating information during the pandemic.
It's a little over my head but maybe some of you guys might find the discussion about the Bangladesh study interesting.
https://wmbriggs.com/post/37320/
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^^^That is a very interesting website, Ron.
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(https://i.imgur.com/4vaca88.jpg)
Who are the adults in this picture? Someone I should recognize?
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^^^^ Teachers. At a school where there is likely a mask mandate.
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^^^^ Teachers. At a school where there is likely a mask mandate.
And you know at least one of them has ranted on Facebook about how going back to in person school is “literally killing us”
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Psaki let's one slip off her toungue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfjrj-_rjVg
Freudian slip if I ever saw one :lol:
"Plandemic"?? What a gaff ! Good catch.