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Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« on: February 20, 2008, 11:46:44 AM »
http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=160513&zoneid=500

By Meg Haskell
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - Bangor Daily News


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All members of the American armed forces will soon have their brain functions tested and recorded before and after deploying to a war zone, courtesy of federal legislation co-written by U.S. Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Hillary Clinton of New York. The testing is seen as an important step toward recognizing and treating traumatic brain injury, or TBI, widely considered the "signature injury" of the war in Iraq and, increasingly, in Afghanistan as well.

Getting a jump on the federal policy, the Maine Army National Guard already has started testing soldiers brain function before deployment, perhaps the first group of "civilian soldiers" to generate computerized records of their cognitive performance.

Estimated rates of service-related traumatic brain injury, also known as concussion, vary, but some say that as many as 15 percent of all troops who have deployed to Iraq are affected. The physical trauma occurs most often when troops are the targets of roadside explosives or suicide bombers. The force of the explosion causes the brain to hit forcibly against the inside of the skull. The injury may be intensified inside soldiers protective metal helmets.

The most severe cases of TBI may be marked by visible wounds to the head and may cause irreversible and life-changing losses of brain function. But mild to moderate cases often are unaccompanied by any outward indication and may go unrecognized and untreated.

In the absence of a clear diagnosis, the physical damage of TBI may easily be confused with the psychological response of post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, another common consequence of wartime violence. Both conditions can cause loss of concentration, trouble with language or numerical concepts, intrusive thoughts, depression, irritability and aggression.

The new policy of testing brain function throughout the active-duty military is authorized in the federal Heroes at Home Act. President Bush signed the measure into law in January, and servicewide testing is mandated to be included as part of the routine pre-deployment medical assessment beginning April 1.

The computerized testing program asks subjects to perform tasks designed to measure memory, distractibility, word discrimination, eye-hand response and other aspects of brain function. Since different areas of the brain are responsible for different functions, changes in performance on the test will alert clinicians to areas that may have been damaged.

Treatment, which typically includes rest, medications and graduated rehabilitation exercises, is targeted to restoring the specific functions that have been lost or altered.

In a telephone interview on Tuesday, Collins, who serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said her interest in TBI was piqued by a conversation with Rockport neurologist Bruce Sigsbee, who was at the time treating a former service member for TBI. His patient had initially been diagnosed with PTSD.

Sigsbee persuaded Collins that the best way to determine the presence of TBI and to differentiate it from PTSD was to establish each service members "baseline" brain function before deployment, and to repeat the test after deployment to see if changes are evident.

Collins said she had heard of a case in which a surgeon was deployed and came back having lost the ability to perform medical procedures.

"He didnt realize he had TBI," she said, "but that kind of loss would have been picked up" by the routine testing.

Collins noted that TBI is nothing new for combat troops, but Iraq is the first war zone where the use of roadside explosive devices has been the prevailing form of attack, and worsening conditions in Afghanistan portend an increase in TBI cases from that area as well.

The federal legislation also calls for support and training for family members caring for service members with TBI, and authorizes the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Defense to explore the feasibility of using telemedicine to assess the brain function of troops still in the field who have suffered a head injury while deployed.

Testing of some active-duty troops already has begun.

Separately, the Maine Army National Guard began testing troops late last year in preparation for deployments in January to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Dr. Patrick Tangney, the chief medical officer for the Maine Army National Guard, said Tuesday that about 200 soldiers took the approximately 40-minute test, using a computer cluster at Husson College in Bangor. The testing was voluntary, he said, but to the best of his knowledge no soldiers declined.

The Maine Army National Guard project is funded with a three-year grant from the Maine Health Access Foundation and is being carried out in partnership with a head injury specialist at Dartmouth Medical School in New Hampshire.

Tangney said some people will always be "uncomfortable" with the idea of having their brain function mapped, and that military culture has traditionally promoted a "suck it up and dont be a baby" mentality when it comes to psychological or physical injuries.

But the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are giving rise to new awareness of and respect for PTSD and TBI, he said, since improved body armor and other equipment has allowed many troops to survive injuries that would have killed them in previous conflicts.

The goal of the testing program, he said, is to ensure that Guard members returning from combat can make the transition safely to civilian life.

Tangney said testing of Maine Army Guard troops will continue until its clear the federal program is effective and consistent.

"Were going to go ahead until the bigger system catches up with us," he said.

The Maine project, thought to be the only state-level program of its kind, also includes funds for training mental and physical health care providers in the treatment of traumatic brain injury.

Not sure what to think of this. I don't like seeing my senator co-writing anything with Mrs. Clinton, first off. Ha ha. How could this possibly be abused/misused?

I like the thought behind this, but, I'm not smart enough to know why I'm suspicious of it.

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 11:51:23 AM »
Uhm...

I'm assuming they're going to use PET scans or the like.

These will tell you how your brain is functioning, NOT what you're thinking.

For some medical procedures, especially those involving cranian surgery, these kinds of tests are very common.
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 11:52:29 AM »
Metal helmets? I thought that was Vietnam, and everything now was Kevlar "k-pots"?

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 12:36:52 PM »
So I'm guessing that any change from baseline means a braininjury and PTSD and you are nbanned from owning firearms for life.
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 12:38:42 PM »
So I'm guessing that any change from baseline means a braininjury and PTSD and you are nbanned from owning firearms for life.

Outside of Larry Pratt's tinfoil rantings, no condition but court ordered judgment of mental incompetence has ever prevented purchase of firearms.

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 12:41:38 PM »
I'm all for it.  Anything that lets us know if a Veteran who's sacrificed so much (even for the aholes in Bezerkley) is injured and in need of care or a Medical pension after separation. 
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 01:36:23 PM »
Uhm...

I'm assuming they're going to use PET scans or the like.

These will tell you how your brain is functioning, NOT what you're thinking.

For some medical procedures, especially those involving cranian surgery, these kinds of tests are very common.
Yeah, I know they're not reading minds. It just seems kind of odd. Is it going to be mandatory? What happens when it's deemed that you have a problem?

There has to be more to this than a simple scan before/after duty. What will eventually be done with the compiled information?

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 02:06:49 PM »
Can we start with Congress?.....
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 11:32:19 PM »
Actually, if you believe what they are printing in rags like Pop Science etc things are much closer to "mind reading" than is implied here.

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 05:42:48 AM »
Actually, if you believe what they are printing in rags like Pop Science etc things are much closer to "mind reading" than is implied here.



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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 05:47:38 AM »
This is probably something like the ImPACT (if not that exact thing) testing that is currently done for concussions. Since I've got two kids playing ice hockey, I'm somewhat familiar with it. It's an on-line test that gathers data from responses that you make using the keyboard and mouse. There is a neurocognitive portion including: memory, spatial relationships, visual processing speed, color matching and so on. The idea is that you establish a baseline for yourself, and then if you suffer a head injury, your progress can be measured against the baseline.

If you haven't done the testing ahead of time, it can use a projected baseline, but it's inherently not as accurate. The system is being used by a number of college and pro sports teams.

Assuming that this is what they're talking about, it's a very good tool for helping assess the extent of concussions and help with their treatment.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 06:42:01 AM »
Well, I'm definitely suspicious of it.  Some questions:

-Did the military ask for this?  If not, why is it being shoved down their throats?

-Why is a senator who is supposedly calling for pulling out in 60 days suddenly co-authoring a bill which will mandate - meaning it will be mandatory for all soldiers - head scans which the article contends are useful for helping to reduce high rates of injury in the present conflict?  "I'm against this and I'm going to stop it, but I'm also mandating federal funding that pretty much only applies to the thing I'm going to stop" -- Huh???

-"The most severe cases of TBI may be marked by visible wounds to the head and may cause irreversible and life-changing losses of brain function" - what about the guys who are coming back with irreversible and life-changing losses of legs and arms?  Is TBI and PTSD really more of an issue than the amputations?

-Same question as always: where is the funding coming from?  Is this funding getting made part of the permanent federal budget - meaning if we ever see an end to this debacle, we'll be continuing to increase funding for brain scans by 10% each year despite not being in a conflict where it's a huge issue?

-Is anyone going to even ask these questions before a vote, or is this going to be used as leverage to keep the big brother machine plugged in and get immunity for AT&T, without any thought put into whether the troops actually need this?

-Do I also get a tinfoil hat for seeing this as being a very short distance away from arms confiscation and other offenses?  If we don't trust our autocrats with gun registries, why would we trust them with brain registries?

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 06:57:56 AM »
Here's a link to the ImPACT site: http://www.impacttest.com/index.php

From the article, it certainly sounds like that's the sort of thing we're talking about. Get up in arms if you want, but this technology is very, very useful in diagnosing and treating concussions, especially the more subtle long-term effects. Since this is a common type of injury our troops are experiencing, I'm all in favor of taking measures to help them. If anything, it should help soldiers document injuries they received in the line of duty and (hopefully) ensure that they get appropriate medical care (instead of VA doctors being able to say "Nope, they're fine. Next patient please!").

Honestly, not everything is an elaborate attempt to take away our 2nd Amendment rights.

If this were psych profiles for the entire population, that would be one thing. However, to provide a baseline for soldiers prior to sending them off into combat is something else entirely.

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 07:25:52 AM »
"-Did the military ask for this?  If not, why is it being shoved down their throats?"

Why?

Probably because the number of troops coming back with head and brain injuries is, in comparison to other wounds, significantly higher than in any other war compliments of the Roadside Bomb Coalition of Iraq.


"what about the guys who are coming back with irreversible and life-changing losses of legs and arms?"

Did anyone say that those wounds are NOT being treated? Are there tons of returning veterans hobbling around without prosthetic limbs because the government doesn't know how to treat them?

Think about it for a moment, for Christ's sake.

If someone loses an arm or a leg, or God forbid both, you still have a pretty good idea where they were functionally before they lost those limbs.

Those injuries can be SEEN. Their effects are immediately recognizable. That's NOT the case with brain injuries. You can't look at someone who had a severe concussion and say "Oh, well, for the next 6 weeks you're going to slur the following words: cream, reality, spindle, and rectify. Try not to use them. After that you'll develope blinding headaches for approximate 6 months that will slowly fade over the following 3 months. Then you'll be fine."

Physiologically all limbs are also generally the same -- 5 fingers or toes, musculature, bone structure, etc. How they function is pretty much the same from person to person, as well.

When it comes to the brain, though, no two people's brain utilization patters are the same. They're as distinctive as fingerprints, and that's one of the reasons why it's so important to have a baseline knowledge of brain function if you want to have a realistic change of helping someone recover from such an injury.
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 07:35:26 AM »
From what I've been told, the inside of your skull is not smooth. It has protrusions and projections. When a bomb goes off under you, you can get thrown around pretty hard - and bounce your brain off those projections. Doesn't take skull fractures for brain injury.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 07:41:49 AM »
"Doesn't take skull fractures for brain injury."

Of course not.

A concussion, where the brain actually slams into the skull and is bruised, is the CLASSIC brain injury and there's normally no fractures involved.

The greater the severity of the concussion the greater the risk of functional changes in the brain AND the greater the risk of changes in the individual's cognative abilities, and even personality.
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 08:11:35 AM »
CDMRP has recently issued research RFAs targeting TBI. So, this is likely going to be a large pool of baseline data for comparison against that of specific research projects already funded by DoD.
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 09:55:05 AM »
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because the number of troops coming back with head and brain injuries is, in comparison to other wounds, significantly higher than in any other war compliments of the Roadside Bomb Coalition of Iraq.

But what are the numbers?  How many TBI and PTSD cases are we seeing, especially in relation to other more palpable and always-in-all-cases-irreversible injuries?  Why does well-meaning legislation like this get a pass where other legislation which doesn't use any numbers, like AWB, get our eternal ire?  Where is the dividing line between well-meaning group A and well-meaning group B?

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Think about it for a moment, for Christ's sake.

Put away the is-he-supporting-the-troops sensor for a second.  I'm not arguing against the treatment, I'm arguing against the way it's being done.

I will always be suspicious of anything the federal government does regardless of whether or not there are good intentions behind it.  Even if the federal government guaranteed that I will always get quality medical care, never have to worry about retirement income, and will always make my mortgage payment - hey, wait a second, they do, and I don't believe them... and neither do you.

The assumption is that since this is good for the troops, we need to do it.  The question of how to prevent our troops getting roadside bombed to begin with isn't entering the discussion.  I'm not even getting to the question of whether their presence there is warranted or even legal.

This reminds me of a story I read about in the early 90's - don't remember the city, but the locals decided to buy the local homeless people their own shopping carts so they wouldn't have to steal them from grocery stores.... and nobody stopped to ask if they could just end homelessness in their city.

I'm not saying that new ways of treatment is a bad idea.  I'll boil it down to two points:

one, that the federal government is evil and it regularly screws up a free lunch, and since this originated in the senate as opposed to the military, and especially since it comes from a RINO and a Clinton, I have nothing to help me trust that this will be different, and

two, that despite the fact that this is a good idea, we need to keep some perspective here with other injuries and maybe talk about alternatives that will prevent the injuries from happening.


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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 11:12:49 AM »
Here. As of last November.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/565407


"Put away the is-he-supporting-the-troops sensor for a second."

Hum... interesting that you'd jump to the conclusion that I'm questioning your level of support for the troops.

I'm not.

I'm questioning why you're apparently opposed to measures to add possible treatment avenues to individuals who need it.

Why does there need to be a law passed to get this kind of treatment plan implemented?

Oh, I don't know, but the VA and other entities responsible for treating wounded troops certainly hasn't covered itself in glory by providing high levels of care to their charges.

Here's a fact of life...

Sometimes the people who are most directly responsible (the military infrastructure) simply CANNOT be trusted, or unfortunately even expected, to provide even minimal levels of care. The fiascos with returning veterans repeatedly being denied VA care for war wounds, the fiasco at Walter Reed hospital, and many others. All compliments of the military, NOT Congress.

"Why does well-meaning legislation like this get a pass where other legislation which doesn't use any numbers, like AWB, get our eternal ire?"

You're joking, right?

If you don't see the differences, there's no way any amount of breath could ever make you understand.

So, given that no matter what the free lunch is always screwed up, why bother making any effort to treat wounded soldiers at all?

Why not just leave them by the side of an Iraqi road to fend for themselves if they're able, and to die if they're not.

After all, it's just another screwed up free lunch.

Right?

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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 02:21:55 PM »
Metal helmets? I thought that was Vietnam, and everything now was Kevlar "k-pots"?


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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 02:30:47 AM »
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Re: Troops' Brain Function Targeted
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2008, 07:10:20 PM »
Nobody is really questioning the usefulness of this.  The question on my mind is, if Hellary is involved in it, where is the catch?  How is she going to screw us?  Where is the "but"?

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