McCain gets GOP nod, then what??

[RadioFreeSeaLab]

If it's McCain or Romney, I'll just write in Paul, or possibly myself.  Or I'll stay home with a stiff drink and watch it all come apart on CNN.

[CAnnoneer]

Up until a couple of weeks ago I was of the same opinon - Americans still hate socialism. Now I'm not so sure.

I recently joined a shooters forum for Oklahomans. I was amazed at how much support Obama is getting from Okie shooters.

It is possible that they support him not because they like socialism, but because they see him as an agent of change, in contrast to the others being viewed as DC aparatchiks.

[Manedwolf]

Up until a couple of weeks ago I was of the same opinon - Americans still hate socialism. Now I'm not so sure.

I recently joined a shooters forum for Oklahomans. I was amazed at how much support Obama is getting from Okie shooters.

It is possible that they support him not because they like socialism, but because they see him as an agent of change, in contrast to the others being viewed as DC aparatchiks.

That sort infuriates me, because if you ask them what that change is...they can't say.

[charby]

Up until a couple of weeks ago I was of the same opinon - Americans still hate socialism. Now I'm not so sure.

I recently joined a shooters forum for Oklahomans. I was amazed at how much support Obama is getting from Okie shooters.

It is possible that they support him not because they like socialism, but because they see him as an agent of change, in contrast to the others being viewed as DC aparatchiks.

That sort infuriates me, because if you ask them what that change is...they can't say.

Or anything not Bush

[CAnnoneer]

That sort infuriates me, because if you ask them what that change is...they can't say.

Some people are so pissed off about the status quo that they are almost ready to accept ANY change. Not a good thing that is, but there we have it.

[Manedwolf]

That sort infuriates me, because if you ask them what that change is...they can't say.

Some people are so pissed off about the status quo that they are almost ready to accept ANY change. Not a good thing that is, but there we have it.

I remind them that higher taxes or even nationalization of industries would be "change".

Also, Obama wants a national ban on concealed carry. Show that to the gun guys.

[Silver Bullet]

I can't stand any of them, and therefore won't agree with the person they are supporting.

Interesting !

[seeker_two]

Just my humble opinion here.......

....but, with McCain's Florida win putting the fear of God & Hillbama into many conservatives, I'm expecting to see Ron Paul's numbers jump up into the double-digits on Tuesday....maybe even winning a few states in "flyover country"......

Your thoughts?.....

[seeker_two]

I just took the 'test' here, and it pointed me towards McCain as the closest candidate.

Of course, I don't think that it was a very good test, as a number of options were nearly identical.

I took the same test. It listed Paul as my first choice and McCain as my second..... 

And I agree about the questions....esp. education and RKBA. They needed an RKBA option of "NO infringement of RKBA".  But, what do you expect from Minnesota Public Radio.... 

[Waitone]

When one's home suffers disaster (be it fire, flood, landslide, tornado, whatever) the best course of action is not always to repair the damage.  Sometimes the best course of action is flatten what survived, scrape the ground flat and start all over.

I wonder if we are not in one such situation.

[Manedwolf]

Just my humble opinion here.......

....but, with McCain's Florida win putting the fear of God & Hillbama into many conservatives, I'm expecting to see Ron Paul's numbers jump up into the double-digits on Tuesday....maybe even winning a few states in "flyover country"......

Your thoughts?.....

No. The Paulistas have pissed off too many people for people to even consider voting for him. Standing on street corners yelling that 9/11 was an inside job tends to do that.

[Bogie]

Every campaign has a lunatic fringe. A few years ago, I chatted with a Republican volunteer at a local gun show. About two minutes into the conversation, I learned that he'd been abducted by aliens... Okay...
 
With the independent thinkers, this can be a very public danger... And with publicity, comes MORE danger... So you've got a very small, but VERY VISIBLE, group of guys slavering about Paul, who otherwise would be crafting their next Dalek costume... Or dressing up as a giant stuffed toy and doing unspeakable things to other giant stuffed toys. And I'm not even going to MENTION another subculture of strangeness...
 

[MrRezister]

Add me to the list of annoying (possibly crazy) Paulbots.  I just can't shake this feeling that voting for "slightly better" is preferable to voting for either "just as bad" or "considerably worse".  I'm sure that someday I'll outgrow this bothersome conscience, and learn to love whichever BOHICA candidate "my" party chooses for me.

[Bigjake]

See what I mean though?? You Paulians just can't help proclaiming from every rooftop (no matter how irrelevant), that YOU'RE VOTING "DR." PAUL.

[Manedwolf]

If you're going to "write in" Paul, I hope you'll enjoy your conscience when that causes us to get a President Hillary, President Obama, or a team of one of them as president and the other as vice.

Because if that happens, your wallet will be sucked dry if you're a successful person, the country will become an unrecognizeable socialist hell, and your guns will be illegal.

Enjoy.

[Werewolf]

If you're going to "write in" Paul, I hope you'll enjoy your conscience when that causes us to get a President Hillary, President Obama, or a team of one of them as president and the other as vice.

Because if that happens, your wallet will be sucked dry if you're a successful person, the country will become an unrecognizeable socialist hell, and your guns will be illegal.

Enjoy.

True - if - and this is a really big IF - the DEMS get solid control of both the house and senate. Other wise...

The presidency really doesn't have as much power as most seem to attribute to it.

ASIDE: A HILLBAMA or OBAMHILL presidency wouldn't be fun even if the Republicans can wrest control of the congress back from the Dems.

[Bogie]

What worries me is that we could end up with an Obama/Hillary ticket... She hasn't really pushed the "vote for me, because I'm a woman" thing hard, and I suspect we'll be seeing that - That's a lot of voters that'll go that way just, well... because... don't you understand?
 
Then, six months after they're in office, she has Obama whacked, and blames it on a 19 year old kluckerboy with a 72 IQ, who gets a real deer in the headlights look for the whole week that the trial lasts, until he mysteriously hangs himself in his cell... All civil rights are suspended, and door-to-door gun nut conspiracy searches ensue...
 
Dang, but it's fun playing "what's the worst that could happen?"

[Manedwolf]

I suspect that Hillary, once she was in the oval office, would just use her resources to assasinate the character of any opposition, which means any noted Republican legislators. There'd suddenly be child porn on their computers or the like, the political equivalent of throwing someone over a cliff in a bag.

And Obama, beholden to Daley, would probably just give Daley and his goons the run of the White House by appointing his puppets to the cabinet, just as Illinois' governor is a Daley puppet. Chicago as a model for the entire United States.

[Werewolf]

Chicago as a model for the entire United States.

OKAY...

That picture actually caused a cold shiver to run up my spine. Freakin' scary man - freakin' scary.

[RocketMan]

McCain gets GOP nod, then what??

No real difference.  Hillary still gets elected.

Edited to add:
I should have mentioned that Hillary's election will not make me happy.  She is...well, evil is the nicest thing I can say about her.
In fact, there is no one remaining in the race on either side that I could vote for in the general election.

[Bogie]

Right - Because the publicity campaign for the past seven years has been "Bush is bad. Bush is a Republican. Vote, but vote for ANYONE but one of his Republican Cronies. Because they are bad. Bad, bad, bad."
 
A cross between Abe Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Millard Filmore (hey, nobody's perfect) could show up, and all we'd hear from much of the media is "He's a Republican - Vote for anyone but him!"

Remember too that a very significant number of people do not want to be disappointed. They want to back a winner! So they'll see if they can figure out who is going to win, and then they'll vote for that person.
 
You know, it's really sad that the shooting community has such a great number of online forums, and so many shooters active on them, and they can't figure out how to coordinate a political strategy for beans. They can argue amongst themselves very well...
 

[seeker_two]

Millard Filmore wasn't all that bad....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millard_Filmore


I'd vote for him over McCain or Romney.....

[Silver Bullet]

See what I mean though?? You Paulians just can't help proclaiming from every rooftop (no matter how irrelevant), that YOU'RE VOTING "DR." PAUL.

I'M VOTING DR. PAUL !   

You lied  ; I proclaimed it from my computer room, nowhere near my rooftop.   

That is, I'm voting for Dr. Paul in the primaries.  If he's not the Republican nominee, I'll be voting for whoever the Republican nominee is in the general election over Clinton  or Obama  .  There are Supreme Court appointments and AWBs to think about, after all.  I think Romney (according to what I just read today over at TFL) and McCain might veto an AWB, but I'm sure Clinton  and Obama  will approve it, and probably push for it.  I think McCain will certainly give us a more conservative Supreme Court appointee(s) than Clinton  or Obama  .

What was Fillmore's position on RKBA ?   

[seeker_two]

What was Fillmore's position on RKBA ?   

He never promised to sign a AWB bill or close the gun show "loophole".....

[Bogie]

Yeah, like that Bush fellow, who said he'd sign the AWB, and then did everything in his power to make sure it actually made it to his desk, so he could sign it.
 
Oh... Wait a minute... Never mind...

Remember - Keep an open, but cynical mind, folks... And consider something: A lot of the negatives that people keep bringing up likely got their first publicity pushes from the democratic national committee...

I think that McCain or Romney will largely stay within the scope/guidelines of the Republican party - neither of them really strike me as mavericks - Guiliani worried me in that regard. Hence, knowing that I can vote for Hillary, Against Hillary, or For My Conscience, well... My conscience will be happy if we don't get a supreme court put in there by Hillary...