McCain gets GOP nod, then what??

[Tecumseh]

Well Ron Paul won't sign it.  Nor did he say he would.  George W. Bush was hoping to sign it.  I don't understand how you can defend him as he is no friend to gunowners. 

Bogie:  Who are you planning on voting for, if you don't mind sharing please tell us.  You seem so anti-Paul but have not said who a better candidate would be.  Who is a better friend to the 2nd amendment that is running for POTUS than Dr. Ron Paul? 

[Finch]

I think that McCain or Romney will largely stay within the scope/guidelines of the Republican party

Which guidelines are we talking about? Pre-Bush or Post-Bush?

[stevelyn]

If you're going to "write in" Paul, I hope you'll enjoy your conscience when that causes us to get a President Hillary, President Obama, or a team of one of them as president and the other as vice.

Because if that happens, your wallet will be sucked dry if you're a successful person, the country will become an unrecognizeable socialist hell, and your guns will be illegal.

Enjoy.

Well........maybe the sooner we crash and burn the better. The Phoenix can't rise except out of the ashes.

[Manedwolf]

I think Huckabee is the only one who would actually make an issue of Obama's desire to ban concealed carry on a national level.

[Bogie]

Tecumseh, just who wrote your revisionist history text?
 
Bush loudly proclaimed that he was eager to sign it. And then he called in a lot of favors to make sure it never happened.
 
I'm also not going to get into your student center debate society tactic of telling me that since I'm of the opinion that Paul cannot beat Hillary, I'm therefore anti-Paul. I like his platform, in general. I don't think we need to bug out of Iraq, because isolationism doesn't work. I like McCain on Iraq (altho I think we should actually do more), Huckabee on taxes, Paul on the 2nd amendment, and figuring that he'd be a sideshow as a president, and Guiliani as the event promoter...
 
I do not think he can beat Hillary. Especially if he ends up running as a third party. What he _will_ do is draw votes away from someone who _can_ beat Hillary.
 
Hillary WILL work to get AWBII crafted. Without loopholes. She WILL work to make sure it makes it to her desk. Oh, and she'll also sign it. Eagerly.
 
I don't think the Republicans, loathsome as they may be, will do much more than go through the motions around something like that - then they'll tell the portion of the electorate who wants more gun control "See, we tried for stronger gun control, but the people didn't really want it. So, we went on to something more important."
 
I'm voting against Hillary, for the candidate who I think can beat her.
 

[roo_ster]

McCain gets GOP nod, then what??

I don't pull the lever for the POTUS candidate from the Republicans, then.

I could hold my nose & vote for Romney.

I'd chew my arm off before voting McCain, who seems to be Ron Paul's evil twin:
* Good on foreign policy
* Horrifying on domestic policy (disqualifyingly so)

[Silver Bullet]

Bush loudly proclaimed that he was eager to sign it.

But ... did he proclaim it from a rooftop ?   

[Tallpine]

McCain wears flip-flops:

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/cover.html

[Bigjake]

You lied   ; I proclaimed it from my computer room, nowhere near my rooftop.

 gratuitous use of smileys man 

[Tecumseh]

Tecumseh, just who wrote your revisionist history text?
 
Bush loudly proclaimed that he was eager to sign it. And then he called in a lot of favors to make sure it never happened.

  Got any proof for that?  Anything at all?  Come on.  I know in the student center debates we ask for something to back up these claims. so offer some proof.

[pistolchamp]

Ron Paul may have a few interesting and maybe even good ideas, but, he couldn't beat me in an election for President... and I wouldn't vote for me.

McCain certainly isn't perfect and neither are any of the others.  I will vote for the Obamanation in the Texas primary, hopefully helping to defeat the Hildebeast.  Other than that the only vote that PIECE OF CRAP would get from me is to put IT first in the firing line.

Then maybe we'd have a chance to win.  I think it would be much easier to defeat a radically liberal black muslim than the Hildebeast.  However, remember that I live in Texarkana and hear a lot from the Arkansas bunch and in general... like in the past the Hildebeast will NOT carry Arkansas, just like Comrade Clinton never carried his home state in a presidential election.  Come to think of it, Kerry and Gore didn't carry their home states either... maybe the damocraps are just too dumb to run someone who has a bit of home support in him... we should listen to those who know them best.

However, in the general election... as opposed to throwing my very precious vote away I will NOT vote for a third party and certainly not Paul. 

Ross Perot proved that a third party candidate will help defeat a good man.  Our best bet would be for the Blooming Idiot mayor of New York to run as a third party candidate and pull some votes from the damocraps.

Ron Paul needs to go home and shut up and most certainly drop out of the race... consdiring that he has virtually NO support, he has influenced way too many... just on this board.  He is totally unelectable and is embarrassing to everyone who lives in the United States.

I emplore each of you to consider exactly how important your vote is, way to important to throw away... and every vote for Paul is not just thrown away, but, a vote for the damocraps.

No matter who the GOP puts up, we are better off than with any damocrap... PERIOD!  Just think about it, higher taxes, gun control, higher taxes, free medical, higher taxes... you got it, socialism right from the gitgo and you won't like it.

[Bigjake]

  higher taxes, gun control, higher taxes, free medical, higher taxes... you got it, socialism right from the gitgo and you won't like it.

You just described McCain.  Not happening.

[Bogie]

Okay - compare what will likely happen with McCain as president, to what will likely happen with Hillary as president...
 
I see the McCain side as weighted a bit better. Not great by any means, but better.
 
And I like Hillary better than Obama....
 
FWIW, I've got some Hillary stickers made up - but it'll be hard to come up with Obama stickers - I'm hoping she wins tomorrow.
 
I think that either of them are beatable - and Obama will prove to be more difficult to beat, once the left unites, and commences to cry "foul racist!" about any negative statement made about him...

[Paddy]

No matter who the GOP puts up, we are better off than with any damocrap... PERIOD!

Except McCain.  He's wound tighter than a banjo string.  You do not want him in the Whitehouse.  Everybody else who's running qualify as sane.  I'm flat not voting this time.

[CAnnoneer]

I despise McCain, but if he gets the nomination, the rational choice for me is to vote for him because he will still be better than Hillary. Yes, they are very similar on social and internal issues, but he is far better on foreign policy and I have no reason to believe he will stack SCOTUS with liberals. Between him and Romney, I'd rather go for Romney, but hey, California Republicans excluded the independent voters from the primaries, so I don't matter until general election. Ultimately, they probably made the right choice. Otherwise, they would have run the risk of liberals messing with the Repub primary as in New Hampshire.

[Balog]

Hillary WILL work to get AWBII crafted. Without loopholes. She WILL work to make sure it makes it to her desk. Oh, and she'll also sign it. Eagerly.

Take it from a guy who lived in AZ a long time; so would McCain. That man is evil.

Imho, Hillary would actually be considerably better than McCain. Why? One word; hatred. Everyone who isn't  far, far left (and even many of them) hate her passionately. She tries to put AWBII together (and she definitely would) and everyone even remotely on our side would raise hell. Hillary is about the onlything even the Fudds can't ignore.

McCain is dangerous because he's the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. Liberals love him because he's as bad as they are on gun control, illegals, tax cuts, and probably worse on free speech suppression. "Moderates" love him because he's an R working with the D's, and everyone hates unilateralism and party politics; finally someone willing to truly "put the children first." Republicans would hold their nose and go along because you've gotta back your party, right? He can put legislation through easily that would have millions of people up in arms if the hildabeast was behind it. And it would be a huge object lesson to 'pubbies that the way to get elected is to be more liberal.

And let's face it, between social security and the massive socialist medicine system McCain or Hillary would put in place, the country is screwed. Whoever is in charge when that happens gets blamed, and blowback moves people in the opposite direction of whatever the person in power ostensibly stands for. I can only hope the inevitable crash and burn is enough to shake the 40+ years of narcissistic policies foisted on us by the undoubtedly worst generation, baby boomers. Stinking hippies.

[Paddy]

I can only hope the inevitable crash and burn is enough to shake the 40+ years of narcissistic policies foisted on us by the undoubtedly worst generation, baby boomers. Stinking hippies.

Nevermind you inherited one of the highest standards of living in the history of mankind.  And the lowest tax rate in the modern industrialized world.  And you did nothing for it.  Nothing, except show up.  STFU and keep paying your taxes.

[Balog]

I can only hope the inevitable crash and burn is enough to shake the 40+ years of narcissistic policies foisted on us by the undoubtedly worst generation, baby boomers. Stinking hippies.

Nevermind you inherited one of the highest standards of living in the history of mankind.  And the lowest tax rate in the modern industrialized world.  And you did nothing for it.  Nothing, except show up.  STFU and keep paying your taxes.

We've had this discussion before Riley. The filthy hippies inherited a great world and proceeded to bitch, moan, and smoke pot. The only thing that generation has given the world is a new standard in smugness and entitlement and the glorification of victimhood. I'll put my years in the Marines up against whatever you feel you've contributed to society and we'll see who's done more. And telling someone to shut the f### up is generally considered bad manners; I guess when you're argument is poor being rude is the next best thing.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

McCain is dangerous because he's the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

Absolutely correct.  I'll vote for Hillary before I vote for McCain.  Better to have a devil everyone knows for a devil, than to have a devil that everyone loves and agrees with.

[Balog]

McCain is dangerous because he's the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

Absolutely correct.  I'll vote for Hillary before I vote for McCain.  Better to have a devil everyone knows for a devil, than to have a devil that everyone loves and agrees with.

Oh. My. God. I totally agree with HTG! That's one of the signs of the Apocalypse, isn't it?

Oh wait, I'd just throw my vote away on a write in candidate. /wipes brow. Wow, that was a close one. 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Bwahaha.  The end is near for you.  We agree far more often than you know.  <evil grin>

For instance, I agree with you completely about the narcissistic entitlement mentality created by the baby boomers.  It's gonna be darned hard to cure the social and economic ills they created.

[Perd Hapley]

I think if a female like Hillary becomes president, I will give up on America.  I will become an "America-hater."  Not of America-that-was, but of Amerika as it has become.  I'm going to go do some drugs now. 

[Balog]

I think if a female like Hillary becomes president, I will give up on America.  I will become an "America-hater."  Not of America-that-was, but of Amerika as it has become.  I'm going to go do some drugs now. 

You should move to Canada with all the celebs who left when El Presidente won in 2004. 

[Tecumseh]

Ron Paul may have a few interesting and maybe even good ideas, but, he couldn't beat me in an election for President... and I wouldn't vote for me.

McCain certainly isn't perfect and neither are any of the others.  I will vote for the Obamanation in the Texas primary, hopefully helping to defeat the Hildebeast.  Other than that the only vote that PIECE OF CRAP would get from me is to put IT first in the firing line.

Then maybe we'd have a chance to win.  I think it would be much easier to defeat a radically liberal black muslim than the Hildebeast.  However, remember that I live in Texarkana and hear a lot from the Arkansas bunch and in general... like in the past the Hildebeast will NOT carry Arkansas, just like Comrade Clinton never carried his home state in a presidential election.  Come to think of it, Kerry and Gore didn't carry their home states either... maybe the damocraps are just too dumb to run someone who has a bit of home support in him... we should listen to those who know them best.

However, in the general election... as opposed to throwing my very precious vote away I will NOT vote for a third party and certainly not Paul. 

Ross Perot proved that a third party candidate will help defeat a good man.  Our best bet would be for the Blooming Idiot mayor of New York to run as a third party candidate and pull some votes from the damocraps.

Ron Paul needs to go home and shut up and most certainly drop out of the race... consdiring that he has virtually NO support, he has influenced way too many... just on this board.  He is totally unelectable and is embarrassing to everyone who lives in the United States.

I emplore each of you to consider exactly how important your vote is, way to important to throw away... and every vote for Paul is not just thrown away, but, a vote for the damocraps.

No matter who the GOP puts up, we are better off than with any damocrap... PERIOD!  Just think about it, higher taxes, gun control, higher taxes, free medical, higher taxes... you got it, socialism right from the gitgo and you won't like it.

  Obama is not a Muslim.

Also what is a damocrap?

[Silver Bullet]

gratuitous use of smileys man

Busted !