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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Phyphor on June 01, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-usa-newyork-bloomberg-guns-idUSBRE94T15320130530
(Reuters) - Letters laced with the deadly poison ricin sent to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and the lobbying organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns illustrate how the group has emerged as a focal point of anger for opponents of gun control.
Wonderful. One retard with an agenda can make all of us look bad.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/30/us-usa-newyork-bloomberg-guns-idUSBRE94T15320130530
Wonderful. One retard with an agenda can make all of us look bad.
Bloomy probably arranged it himself and set up some redneck (any redneck) to be the patsy.
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There has been a recent uptick in ricin mailings recently. We just had a guy arrested here that sent ricin to the post office, Fairchild AFB, Obama and a judge. They have been pretty mum about the guy that did it. But he does have a facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005125030407&fref=ts
Ricin has been described as the perfect poison by some, mainly it has been hampered by amateurish attempts of delivery, or I believe we would be reading about deaths instead of intercepted letters.
bob
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Not that I ever would, but ...
if I was going to send a poisoned letter, it would be lavishly adulatory of the recipient, so they wouldn't suspect anything and it would get passed around to as many people as possible >:D
Just saying :angel:
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Not that I ever would, but ...
if I was going to send a poisoned letter, it would be lavishly adulatory of the recipient, so they wouldn't suspect anything and it would get passed around to as many people as possible >:D
Just saying :angel:
Devious...
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I thought that's what these guys did?
Write a "fan letter" in hopes the intended would actually handle it?
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I thought that's what these guys did?
Write a "fan letter" in hopes the intended would actually handle it?
That would be the logical thing to do.
Which leads me to think this might be some sort of false flag.
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That would be the logical thing to do.
Which leads me to think this might be some sort of false flag.
That thought crossed my mind the moment I read this. Who the hell seriously threatens to shoot someone else in the face?
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Bloomy probably arranged it himself and set up some redneck (any redneck) to be the patsy.
Oh, come on, that's just paranoid. Next thing you'll be saying is that he's the sort of scofflaw who'd send his minions across state lines to buy guns illegally with false IDs in violation of Federal law . . .
Oh, wait . . .
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Who the hell seriously threatens to shoot someone else in the face?
Well, not directly, but.
A while back there was a rash of robberies in fast food places around town. Although SWMBO and I only go to those places about once a year or so, it is best to be prepared. I told her, SWMBO, if we were out and someone wanted to rob us while we were trying to enjoy a meal, she needed to start a 3 count, and be lying on the seat or on the floor by the time she hit 3. I told her by the time she hit 3, I would have shot the guy in the face. So, in a way, I guess I did threaten to shoot someone in the face, but only if they deserved it, not some random guy via letter. ;)
bob
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Which leads me to think this might be some sort of false flag.
When I heard about this on the radio, that was the first thing I thought as well. Who sends a poisoned hate letter, that will simply get circled filed upon opening?
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And the language of the letter itself..... it sounds like something an idiot teen or someone trying to get a certain kind of rise would write.
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And the language of the letter itself..... it sounds like something an idiot teen or someone trying to get a certain kind of rise would write.
Or the kind of person who would send poisoned letters...
That being said:
A year ago, talk of false flag operations was conspiracy-mongering. Today, it's just being realistic about Obama's America.
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Or the kind of person who would send poisoned letters...
That being said:
A year ago, talk of false flag operations was conspiracy-mongering. Today, it's just being realistic about Obama's America.
Given the IRS shenanigans, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING would surprise me from the White House.
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Or the kind of person who would send poisoned letters...
That being said:
A year ago, talk of false flag operations was conspiracy-mongering. Today, it's just being realistic about Obama's America.
How hard is ricin to come up with ???
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How hard is ricin to come up with ???
Easy, some castor beans, and a few extraction steps.
Making a larger quantity that's relatively pure and high-grade, and in a fine enough form the victim will absorb/inhale enough of it from just handling a dusted letter, and then handling it repeatedly without getting yourself sick or dead... that takes maybe some good honors H.S., definitely college-grad level lab skills.
Something most of these goofballs lack.
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Mmmm, ricin beans.... :drool:
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. . . Making a larger quantity that's relatively pure and high-grade, and in a fine enough form the victim will absorb/inhale enough of it from just handling a dusted letter, and then handling it repeatedly without getting yourself sick or dead... that takes maybe some good honors H.S., definitely college-grad level lab skills. . . .
I'll bet there's more than one government lab capable of producing and handling it; manufacturing, handling, and weaponizing extremely lethal biotoxins like ricin with instructions pulled of the Internet is more high-risk than a bunch of hippies using The Anarchist's Cookbook as a bombmaking manual.
And many of us are old enough to remember the frequent blowups of hippie bombmaking factories several decades ago.
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I'll bet there's more than one government lab capable of producing and handling it; manufacturing, handling, and weaponizing extremely lethal biotoxins like ricin with instructions pulled of the Internet is more high-risk than a bunch of hippies using The Anarchist's Cookbook as a bombmaking manual.
And many of us are old enough to remember the frequent blowups of hippie bombmaking factories several decades ago.
So they should be checking the ER's and Death records for their subject ;)
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So they should be checking the ER's and Death records for their subject ;)
Not a bad idea - unless whoever did it is REALLY skilled, with facilities and training, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they poisoned themselves in the process.
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Not a bad idea - unless whoever did it is REALLY skilled, with facilities and training, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they poisoned themselves in the process.
If he was really skilled, he would be devious like me ;)
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Update: some actress has been arrested for allegedly sending the ricin-tainted letters to Obama and Bloomberg. Apparently it was an attempt to frame her estranged husband.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Rogers_Richardson
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Update: some actress has been arrested for allegedly sending the ricin-tainted letters to Obama and Bloomberg. Apparently it was an attempt to frame her estranged husband.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Rogers_Richardson
If he was really skilled, he would be devious like me ;)
"She" :facepalm:
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:rofl:
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This is rather interesting- wasn't the Elvis impersonator also framed?
Seems like she was a copycat... and copied the inept framer in that episode perfectly.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/07/texas-woman-reported-arrested-in-connection-with-ricin-laced-letters-sent-to-president/2400989/
I expect this story and the blaming of tea party/gun supporters to go down the memory hole, like every other time.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/06/07/texas-woman-reported-arrested-in-connection-with-ricin-laced-letters-sent-to-president/2400989/
I expect this story and the blaming of tea party/gun supporters to go down the memory hole, like every other time.
One of these days it'll really be a gun nut (we have our share of crazies, just like they do) and we'll never hear the end of it.
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Bob, you're exactly right. All the while completely ignoring the left wing crazies, like the folks at occupy wall street convicted of building bombs, the movement that needed to build rape shelters. Or the left wing crazy that tried to assassinate Giffords, or the crazy that tries to assassinate a number of LAPD folks.
Nope, its still really those bourgeois Tea Partiers who leave demonstrations areas cleaner than when they found it that are the real dangerous ones.
Its this kind of behavior that shows we are typically not dealing with genuine people. But our side still gets caught up in treating them as if they are engaging in "honest debate". One on one with a normal person, sure have an honest debate. At the higher media level, our side should be focusing on exposing them as dishonest ideologues, not trying to engage "debate" set by their ground rules, a frame of rules designed to make us fail.
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Bob, you're exactly right. All the while completely ignoring the left wing crazies, like the folks at occupy wall street convicted of building bombs, the movement that needed to build rape shelters. Or the left wing crazy that tried to assassinate Giffords, or the crazy that tries to assassinate a number of LAPD folks.
Nope, its still really those bourgeois Tea Partiers who leave demonstrations areas cleaner than when they found it that are the real dangerous ones.
Its this kind of behavior that shows we are typically not dealing with genuine people. But our side still gets caught up in treating them as if they are engaging in "honest debate". One on one with a normal person, sure have an honest debate. At the higher media level, our side should be focusing on exposing them as dishonest ideologues, not trying to engage "debate" set by their ground rules, a frame of rules designed to make us fail.
QFFT.
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Bob, you're exactly right. All the while completely ignoring the left wing crazies, like the folks at occupy wall street convicted of building bombs, the movement that needed to build rape shelters. Or the left wing crazy that tried to assassinate Giffords, or the crazy that tries to assassinate a number of LAPD folks.
Nope, its still really those bourgeois Tea Partiers who leave demonstrations areas cleaner than when they found it that are the real dangerous ones.
Its this kind of behavior that shows we are typically not dealing with genuine people. But our side still gets caught up in treating them as if they are engaging in "honest debate". One on one with a normal person, sure have an honest debate. At the higher media level, our side should be focusing on exposing them as dishonest ideologues, not trying to engage "debate" set by their ground rules, a frame of rules designed to make us fail.
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Yep, false flag op. This story has disappeared already.
http://weaponsman.com/?p=9018
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She is sentenced to 18 years.
[wrong link, because I am stupit - yes, stupit]
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She is sentenced to 18 years.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/17/the-obama-admin-just-exempted-us-territories-from-obamacare/
While that might be an interesting article, methinks you didn't mean to post that link and meant to post this one:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/17/the-walking-dead-actress-who-mailed-ricin-to-obama-gets-18-years-in-prison/
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From the article:
“I never intended for anybody to be hurt. I’m not a bad person. I don’t have it in me to hurt anyone.”
Except, of course, her husband. She wanted him put in jail.
But I guess he's not "anyone".
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From the comments section:
She told the judge Wednesday that she loved her country and respected her president.
That just might be the most contradictory statement I've ever heard.
Lolz.
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She told the judge Wednesday that she loved her country and respected her president.
That just might be the most contradictory statement I've ever heard.
Good point.
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How's THIS for a conspiracy theory:
Just a few days ago the .gov closed a couple of .gov "research" laboratories, supposedly because they had mis-handled antrax. A couple of days later the news breaks that someone has been mailing Ricin around. A curious mind might be prompted to ask," Now just what sort of facility would be used to produce Ricin?"
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The ricin got mailed last year. 'nother zombie thread.
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As a former chemist, I can tell you that it would be fairly easy to manufacture ricin in the home with simple materials and techniques. It would certainly be good enough to kill someone with it. Being able to manufacture it in bulk, with high purity, and then being able to weaponize it and put it into a delivery system, that is where you get to the core competencies of the governmental biowarfare labs.
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As a former chemist, I can tell you that it would be fairly easy to manufacture ricin in the home with simple materials and techniques. It would certainly be good enough to kill someone with it. Being able to manufacture it in bulk, with high purity, and then being able to weaponize it and put it into a delivery system, that is where you get to the core competencies of the governmental biowarfare labs.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2939/14707550683_e1a0f8a669_o.jpg)
Edit: Because I got caught image leaching.
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As a former chemist, I can tell you that it would be fairly easy to manufacture ricin in the home with simple materials and techniques. It would certainly be good enough to kill someone with it. Being able to manufacture it in bulk, with high purity, and then being able to weaponize it and put it into a delivery system, that is where you get to the core competencies of the governmental biowarfare labs.
Meh. 99% nicotine isn't that hard to get, is ridiculously toxic, absorbs easily through the skin or pretty much any other method, and you can dilute the leftovers way down for your ecig later.
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Meh. 99% nicotine isn't that hard to get, is ridiculously toxic, absorbs easily through the skin or pretty much any other method, and you can dilute the leftovers way down for your ecig later.
Nicotine, ricin... mix with DMSO http://www.ihealthtree.com/dmso-liquid-99-9--unfragranced-plast8oz.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwi6OeBRCCrZqp-qaQhhISJACrfbtAAo49PfVJTUiBjF1xL_kYF1amFnAL3wUi1m1RvDqYuhoCaDDw_wcB , you have yourself a pretty lethal weapon. DMSO is a transdermal agent- it absorbs directly through your skin into your bloodstream, carrying any dissolved organics with it.
As a friend of mine likes to say "To a chemist, A walmart store looks like constructive possession."
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"To a chemist, A walmart store looks like constructive possession."
LOL
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Or the kind of person who would send poisoned letters...
That being said:
A year ago, talk of false flag operations was conspiracy-mongering. Today, it's just being realistic about Obama's America.
Fast and Furious.
Bloomberg's sending folks to illegally buy guns that was mentioned earlier.
And those are the ones we know about.
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Another interesting aspect. This case revealed the existence of the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking, which is the Post Office's version of NSA mass domestic surveillance. They collect and store the data from your correspondence. And pass it to law enforcement without a warrant.
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Nicotine, ricin... mix with DMSO http://www.ihealthtree.com/dmso-liquid-99-9--unfragranced-plast8oz.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwi6OeBRCCrZqp-qaQhhISJACrfbtAAo49PfVJTUiBjF1xL_kYF1amFnAL3wUi1m1RvDqYuhoCaDDw_wcB , you have yourself a pretty lethal weapon. DMSO is a transdermal agent- it absorbs directly through your skin into your bloodstream, carrying any dissolved organics with it.
As a friend of mine likes to say "To a chemist, A walmart store looks like constructive possession."
My local WalMart doesn't carry DMSO. Have to go to Tractor Supply for that.
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Speaking of ricin, just last weekend, we went to see the Spy exhibit at Seattle Center (http://www.pacificsciencecenter.org/Exhibits/spy). One of the exhibits on display was a re-creation of the Bulgarian umbrella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella) which used a ricin pellet to assassinate dissidents.
This was a very interesting exhibit, and it is well worth your time and money if it comes to you. The best part was we bought discount tickets for it at Costco, which saved us $ 20 per head. The tickets included admission and the audio guide.
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The best part was we bought discount tickets for it at Costco, which saved us $ 20 per head, until Costco uses our money to help another Obama get into office, and that $20 costs us thousands in taxes and "mandatory purchases".
FIFY
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FIFY
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Please list what kind of phone you have, where you buy your clothes etc. I'm sure you'd never support any company ran by liberals right?
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Fast and Furious.
Bloomberg's sending folks to illegally buy guns that was mentioned earlier.
And those are the ones we know about.
Pistol left among toys at Target store.
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Pistol left among toys at Target store.
Was shown to be a convicted felon ditching an illegally-possessed weapon, IIRC.
Granted, that's a core Democrat demographic, but still... Not false-flag or conspiracy-worthy. Just a garden variety bad guy doing bad things.
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The ricin got mailed last year. 'nother zombie thread.
Yes, but it wasn't big news a year ago. I hadn't heard of the incident until she was convicted, and that coincided with the news about the gummint labs being closed.
Hey, it works for me. If'n you don't like it, generate your own conspiracy theory.
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Yes, but it wasn't big news a year ago. I hadn't heard of the incident until she was convicted, and that coincided with the news about the gummint labs being closed.
Hey, it works for me. If'n you don't like it, generate your own conspiracy theory.
The labs were closed because they grew the Small Pox that was on the Malaysia Airliner that the CIA shot down to frame Putin. [tinfoil]
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Yes, but it wasn't big news a year ago. I hadn't heard of the incident until she was convicted, and that coincided with the news about the gummint labs being closed.
Hey, it works for me. If'n you don't like it, generate your own conspiracy theory.
No, it was a fairly big story when the stuff got mailed. No one's talking about it now. As someone correctly predicted, the story went away in a few days, when the facts were no longer embarrassing to the right.