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Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« on: October 19, 2016, 10:26:13 PM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37707776

It should have phoned home by now and has not.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2016, 12:05:06 AM »
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2016, 12:35:58 AM »
Didn't they also bounce that Comet (or was it an asteroid) lander into a crack and not get any data from it either?


(And the article mentions a earlier attempt to land on Mars in 2003 by the ESA that also failed to land properly.   *Note to self* Do NOT volunteer to be an ESA astronaut, they have the "Not blowing up on launch" thing down pretty good, but they haven't quite yet figured out how to stick the landing...")  
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2016, 01:00:17 AM »
Quote from: scout26 on October 20, 2016, 12:35:58 AM
*Note to self* Do NOT volunteer to be an BSA astronaut...


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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2016, 02:39:59 AM »
Quote from: scout26 on October 20, 2016, 12:35:58 AM
Didn't they also bounce that Comet (or was it an asteroid) lander into a crack and not get any data from it either?


Yeah...They did get some data out of it, though; there was enough battery power to last for a day, so they managed to get some images before the juice ran out.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 03:49:48 AM »
Quote from: Regolith on October 20, 2016, 02:39:59 AM
Yeah...They did get some data out of it, though; there was enough battery power to last for a day, so they managed to get some images before the juice ran out.

And their orbiter managed to get a picture of the lander sitting in the crack just before the orbiter whacked the comet.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2016, 04:43:01 AM »
Quote from: RocketMan on October 20, 2016, 03:49:48 AM
And their orbiter managed to get a picture of the lander sitting in the crack just before the orbiter whacked the comet.

To be fair, the orbiter whacking the comet was actually planned...
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2016, 06:09:24 AM »
One of my coworkers was on a team with my company that participated in whacking a comet with a probe back in 2004-2006 or so. Pretty nifty stuff that she shared from the telemetry.

Ah, here we go. Deep Impact. Sounds like a disaster movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(spacecraft)
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2016, 06:21:25 AM »
Quote from: Regolith on October 20, 2016, 04:43:01 AM
To be fair, the orbiter whacking the comet was actually planned...

This is true.  It was a pretty slick mission, aside from the lander accidentally setting down in a crack in the comet.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2016, 02:03:16 PM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on October 20, 2016, 06:09:24 AM
One of my coworkers was on a team with my company that participated in whacking a comet with a probe back in 2004-2006 or so. Pretty nifty stuff that she shared from the telemetry.

Ah, here we go. Deep Impact. Sounds like a disaster movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Impact_(spacecraft)

Better than 1/2 MOA accuracy, huh?
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 03:43:30 PM »
Quote from: 230RN on October 20, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
Better than 1/2 MOA accuracy, huh?

Inflight corrections help.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 03:45:13 PM »
Quote from: Fly320s on October 20, 2016, 03:43:30 PM
Inflight corrections help.

Yeah, it's not like they threw the dart from six thousand miles away and hit the bullseye.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 04:01:32 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/mars-schiaparelli-lander-esa-lost/

The Lander is apparently a pile of debris.  The ESA thinks that the landing parachute was jettisoned too early and the retro rockets turned off too early.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 04:44:26 PM »
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ESA's Director General, Jan Wörner, said Schiaparelli's primary role was to test whether they could successfully land a probe on Mars.

Well, I guess they answered that ...

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 05:01:06 PM »
Am I the only one that experiences a bit of shodden-froyd (or is it shodden-frode? shodden-frowd? ???) when "Europe" fails at pretty much anything?
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 05:05:01 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2016, 05:01:06 PM
Am I the only one that experiences a bit of shodden-froyd (or is it shodden-frode? shodden-frowd? ???) when "Europe" fails at pretty much anything?

At least they are trying unlike us, who have all but quit the game.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2016, 05:55:18 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 20, 2016, 05:05:01 PM
At least they are trying unlike us, who have all but quit the game.

 ???

So... our ginormous nuclear powered rover with a rock-zapping laser that was lowered on cables from a rocket hovering platform doesn't count as "trying"?
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2016, 06:58:33 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2016, 05:01:06 PM
Am I the only one that experiences a bit of shodden-froyd (or is it shodden-frode? shodden-frowd? ???) when "Europe" fails at pretty much anything?
  Schadenfreude.   I think......... [popcorn]
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2016, 07:54:04 PM »
Quote from: wmenorr67 on October 20, 2016, 05:05:01 PM
At least they are trying unlike us, who have all but quit the game.
We haven't quit.  NASA is doing wonderous things in Global Warming Fiction Research and Muslim Outreach. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 09:11:52 PM »
They had better send Matt Damon to mars to fix it.
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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 09:16:05 PM »
Quote from: brimic on October 20, 2016, 09:11:52 PM
They had better send Matt Damon to mars to fix it.

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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 09:43:23 PM »
Quote from: fistful on October 20, 2016, 05:01:06 PM
Am I the only one that experiences a bit of shodden-froyd (or is it shodden-frode? shodden-frowd? ???) when "Europe" fails at pretty much anything?

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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2016, 02:09:38 AM »
Quote from: MillCreek on October 20, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/20/europe/mars-schiaparelli-lander-esa-lost/

The Lander is apparently a pile of debris.  The ESA thinks that the landing parachute was jettisoned too early and the retro rockets turned off too early.

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Re: Things are not looking good for the EU Mars lander
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2016, 08:23:34 AM »
So the lander built by socialists crashes and burns and the rover built by capitalists has lasted 12 years past its planned mission time!

Ok I realize that is a bit of an oversimplification, but makes ya think ... why do we keep wanting to emulate Europe?
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