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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on April 21, 2015, 03:34:01 PM
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http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/301448-controversy-after-rotc-cadets-allegedly-forced-to-march-in-event-wearing-questionable-footwear/
Clearly the mission of our Armed Forces has been changed.
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Gotta support the command's SHARP initiatives. Pretty much no matter what. sigh.
Although the cynic in me read this:
none of these events are relevant or even well thought out. The “speeches” people give are either geared towards women or poorly constructed, and we are all sitting in uniform (men and women, both) listening and wondering how it is at all relevant.
And thought "That's actually pretty good training that will be helpful in their career."
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Clearly the commandant of the ROTC at that institution doesn't understand the meaning of the word "uniform" as it applies to the military.
Contact info:
RED DIAMOND BATTALION
(215) 204-7480
rotc@temple.edu
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Sadly the article said it was the initiative of GEN. Cross at Cadet Command. So DA level. Blowing up that BN CDR's e-mail won't help.
ETA: A CG can pretty much shred 670-1 for their command if they want to. Especially something like this that is a one time, SHARP related event. It's definately under their discretion.
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What happens when a cadet reports unfit for drill due to injury sustained from non-uniform spec. footwear?
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A few of them will come out of this with a better understanding of the left and will despise the left for it.
Me<--- example
As an undergraduate, I was exposed to two examples of this:
1. As a naive freshman, rape sounded bad, I supported anti-rape awareness, so I joined a Take Back the Night march. It turned out to be a rabid feminist/lesbian hate-filled hatefest against men.
2. As a member of a student organization, we had to acquire a certain number of 'community credits' to keep our charter. Basically we had to show up to an indoctrination speech/seminar and got a credit for every member/hour there- seemed easy and we figured we'd all meet up at the bar afterwards. There were maybe 300 people there watching a granola chick playing a piano while talking about how men are the weaker sex, how they were disgusting, how they were vile, how they preyed on women, how they cannot be trusted, etc. I lasted about 5 minutes before I noisily got up, and laughed my ass off while I walked to the exit to go to the bar a little earlier than everyone else.
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Look, it's not just the ROTC. Went on base this weekend and there were hand painted t-shirts hung up everywhere reminding me to obtain consent, no means no, etc. I got to sit through yet another lecture with the highlight takeaway for me as always being that according to the DOD one drink removes the ability to give consent. So married peoples you are all either teetotalers or rapers. Because I'm pretty sure that a few drinks is a pretty accepted practice in the field of cohabitational conjugal bliss. I have had at least 10 trainings on this in the past year. This is the most pressing problem in the military. Way more important than the fact that all of our airplanes we could be fixing are 5-10 years more used up than they should be thanks to the GWOT and crap-ass congressional procurement practices.
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I was bs'ing with my old Gunny last weekend. He was forced to fly down to New Orleans for.... Equal opportunity training.
Makes perfect sense to me. The most important thing working up for a deployment is PC death by Powerpoint. :facepalm:
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All this nonsense is part of the reason I am not so keen on my kids joining the US armed forces. Maybe my son can learn French in HS and join the French Foreign Legion for a few years to get the tempering provided by military service. In any case, I counsel my kids against a military career--as opposed to a short stint--as it seems .mil leadership has deteriorated to a parody of a tragedy of real leadership. And America is less and less worth the sacrifice every year.
For my own part, I was able to avoid all but one post-basic traisning BS PC briefing when I was in. The policy of my unit had of dismissing anyone for any reason at any time if it was deemed good for the unit kept this crap to a minimum. Plus leadership higher up actually provided top cover. I did hear horror stories of other units, though.
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Issues I see more and more is that there is way too much micro-managing from officers. Too many of them won't let their NCO's be NCO's. I'm just curious as to what happened to officers issuing the orders to the NCO's and they go make sure it gets done? Now too many want to not only tell the NCO how to accomplish the mission but actually do it for them.
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To use a quote we see here a fair bit... "The stupid, it burns." Only in this case it's not the story subject, it's the conclusion-jumping here and the blind rush to hammer the ROTC for an issue that's pure social media politi-twist.
I'll be blunt... if ANY of you start spamming the ROTC about this then you're an unobservant dolt and deserved to be pointed and laughed at.
Read the OP link again. Pay close attention to the event title. Very, very close. If that isn't a clue then look it up.
"Walk A Mile In Her Shoes" is a respected local fundraising event held in cities all across America. I participate in the Lubbock event. It's tongue-in-cheek good fun that engages the community. Our local ROTC participates, as does many of the local high school sports teams.
Now untwist your knickers chill the f*** out.
Brad
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Issues I see more and more is that there is way too much micro-managing from officers. Too many of them won't let their NCO's be NCO's. I'm just curious as to what happened to officers issuing the orders to the NCO's and they go make sure it gets done? Now too many want to not only tell the NCO how to accomplish the mission but actually do it for them.
I've been told at one time lieutenants in training were told he had cement, a metal pole, and some line. He was then asked by his trainer what commands he would give to have a flag pole raised.
Most went through the orders of getting water to make the cement, placing the flagpole, etc...
They were failed. The correct order was "Sargeant, get that flagpole raised."
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To use a quote we see here a fair bit... "The stupid, it burns." Only in this case it's not the story subject, it's the conclusion-jumping here and the blind rush to hammer the ROTC for an issue that's pure social media politi-twist.
I'll be blunt... if ANY of you start spamming the ROTC about this being an issue, you're an unobservant dolt and deserved to be pointed and laughed at.
Read the OP link again. Pay close attention to the event title. Very, very close. If that isn't a clue then look it up.
"Walk A Mile In Her Shoes" is a respected local fundraising event held in cities all across America. I participate in the Lubbock event. It's tongue-in-cheek good fun that engages the community. Our local ROTC participates, as does many of the local high school sports teams.
Now untwist your knickers chill the f*** out.
Brad
Perhaps you ought to read the link as well. The issue is not that soldiers chose to be involved with the stupid event. The issue is that they were FORCED to and forced to do so in a specific way, with threats of reprimand.
Someone here is needing to untwist knickers and chill out, though.
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To use a quote we see here a fair bit... "The stupid, it burns." Only in this case it's not the story subject, it's the conclusion-jumping here and the blind rush to hammer the ROTC for an issue that's pure social media politi-twist.
I'll be blunt... if ANY of you start spamming the ROTC about this then you're an unobservant dolt and deserved to be pointed and laughed at.
Read the OP link again. Pay close attention to the event title. Very, very close. If that isn't a clue then look it up.
"Walk A Mile In Her Shoes" is a respected local fundraising event held in cities all across America. I participate in the Lubbock event. It's tongue-in-cheek good fun that engages the community. Our local ROTC participates, as does many of the local high school sports teams.
Now untwist your knickers chill the f*** out.
Brad
Incidentally, I'd like to know how coerced participation is "tongue in cheek good fun that engages the community."
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Perhaps you ought to read the link as well. The issue is not that soldiers chose to be involved with the stupid event. The issue is that they were FORCED to and forced to do so in a specific way, with threats of reprimand.
Someone here is needing to untwist knickers and chill out, though.
Reading the article for content? Obviously someone here needs some duhversity training. In red pumps!
Incidentally, I'd like to know how coerced participation is "tongue in cheek good fun that engages the community."
The transvestite community, silly!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2800742/transgender-military-personnel-18-countries-open-service-allowed-gather-discuss-military-join.html
Transgender military personnel from 18 countries across the world gathered today to talk about their experiences and discuss whether the US military could join them.
The conference attendees, who are all from militaries that allow transgender service, gathered in Washington, DC.
The gathering, Perspectives on Transgender Military Service from Around the Globe, is the first-ever and largest international conference of transgender military service members on US soil.
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"Tell me Donald, er, Donna, how you overcame all the obstacles and managed to force your fellow service members to treat your mental illness and boundless narcissism as perfectly natural and not a freakshow?"
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Incidentally, I'd like to know how coerced participation is "tongue in cheek good fun that engages the community."
Yeah, and...? If Pvt Buttercup doesn't like taking orders, he shouldn't have joined the ROTC.
Events (In order of occurrence)
1. Local non-profit has a community fundraiser.
2. ROTC, which likely has a history of their cadets participating in this annual community fundraiser, joins.
3. ROTC command issues ROTC cadets orders to show up for duty at community fundraiser.
4. Cadet Buttercup gets butthurt because he has to follow an order for "...the stupidest f^^^ing thing I've ever done" (Direct quote from Pvt Buttercup's message).
5. Cadet Buttercup tweets said butthurt to his buddies who glom on to it because, you know, it's f^^^ing stupid, dude!
6. Cadet Buttercup's social media buddies take his whine-fest and spread it as absolute, objective fact.
7. Hair trigger factions of the Conservative Political Justice Brigade accept it without any attempt at establishing context, perspective, or credibility.
8. It gets posted to multiple forums where politically sensitive types foam at the mouth over it.
"...then the Princess married her handsome Prince, the Kingdom was saved, and they all lived happily ever after. The End."
Brad
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Yeah, and...? If Pvt Buttercup doesn't like taking orders, he shouldn't have joined the ROTC.
Events (In order of occurrence)
1. Local non-profit has a community fundraiser.
2. ROTC, which likely has a history of their cadets participating in this annual community fundraiser, joins.
3. ROTC command issues ROTC cadets orders to show up for duty at community fundraiser.
4. Cadet Buttercup gets butthurt because he has to follow an order.
5. Cadet Buttercup tweets said butthurt to his buddies.
6. Cadet Buttercup's social media buddies take his whine-fest and spread it as absolute, objective fact.
7. Hair trigger factions of the Conservative Political Justice Brigade accept it without any attempt at establishing context, perspective, or credibility.
8. It gets posted to multiple forums where politically sensitive types foam at the mouth over it.
...and they all lived happily ever after. The End.
Brad
If you'll note, several other "Cadet Buttercups" tweeted their disgust as well.
So we've gone from "good fun" to suck it up and deal with it, cause I support this action.
Good to know.
Any comments regarding the breaking of the uniform regulations required of these cadets?
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Yeah, and...? If Pvt Buttercup doesn't like taking orders, he shouldn't have joined the ROTC.
Events (In order of occurrence)
1. Local non-profit has a community fundraiser.
2. ROTC, which likely has a history of their cadets participating in this annual community fundraiser, joins.
3. ROTC command issues ROTC cadets orders to show up for duty at community fundraiser.
4. Cadet Buttercup gets butthurt because he has to follow an order for "...the stupidest f^^^ing thing I've ever done" (Direct quote from Pvt Buttercup's message).
5. Cadet Buttercup tweets said butthurt to his buddies who glom on to it because, you know, it's f^^^ing stupid, dude!
6. Cadet Buttercup's social media buddies take his whine-fest and spread it as absolute, objective fact.
7. Hair trigger factions of the Conservative Political Justice Brigade accept it without any attempt at establishing context, perspective, or credibility.
8. It gets posted to multiple forums where politically sensitive types foam at the mouth over it.
"...then the Princess married her handsome Prince, the Kingdom was saved, and they all lived happily ever after. The End."
Brad
1. Being ordered to do something does not automatically transform that something from dumbassery to training gold. Dumbass officers would tell us otherwise, but they are, remember, dumbasses.
2. The entire event, in and of itself, is feminist dumbassery even before ROTC got involved.
Go to the website. Run of the mill leftist "War on Women" pablum. I would be ashamed to associate with this drek.
http://www.walkamileinhershoes.org/
A Walk a Mile in Her Shoes® Event is a playful opportunity for men to raise awareness in their community about the serious causes, effects and remediations to men's sexualized violence against women.
There is an old saying: "You can't really understand another person's experience until you've walked a mile in their shoes." Walk a Mile in Her Shoes® asks men to literally walk one mile in women's high-heeled shoes.
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Brad, you should be a military recruiter.
The message said they had to buy their own women's shoes as well.
Every one of these march for this and walk for this events are useless. They just spend a bunch of money and make a bunch of people feel good that they are "doing something". "raising awareness" is BS.
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Brad, you should be a military recruiter.
The message said they had to buy their own women's shoes as well.
Every one of these march for this and walk for this events are useless. They just spend a bunch of money and make a bunch of people feel good that they are "doing something". "raising awareness" is BS.
No, they don't. The "Walk A Mile" fundraisers have a sign up fee but shoes are provided. Locally the sign up fee is $25 but it's waived if you get that much in donations. Donations go directly to the agencies involved (in our case the local Rape Crisis Center). Hardly a "just did it to feel good" event. As for "every one of these march for this and walk for this events are useless", well, you need to educate yourself how most local non-profit organizations are funded, and how critical many of these organizations are to their communities.
Listen guys, everything about this is BS. It's a kid who thought it was beneath him to walk in women's shoes, good cause be damned. He messages his butthurt about it, people take it completely out of context, run with it, and here we are. People have invested emotional spittle in damning the ROTC for their "heinous act" and don't want to admit they got suckered by a teenager with a beef, a lopsided story, and the vagaries of social media.
The kid's post oozes self pity, put upon-ness, and a general sense of this-is-beneath-me elitism. Until anyone can prove different I'm sticking with the kid being a coddled twit, and the story making rounds because some overly sensitive political warrior(s) decided that context, back story, and a generally considering all the facts didn't matter because, you know, it's LIBERAL BAD PEOPLENESS RUN AMOCK LOOK OMIGOD THEY'RE WEARING WOMEN'S SHOES IT'S THE ROTC THEY'RE A BUNCH OF LIBTARD SCUM!!!
If we're to do anything about real problems then we have to stop letting ourselves get fooled into obsessing over the manufactured ones.
Brad
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I view it as equally unethical and sickening as "voluntary" Combined Federal Campaign.
I always refused to participate, which did not go down well with my command staff. Apparently their command unethically pushes them to push their units and personnel to cough up money to make the participation rates look good. I'd be told to participate, refuse, they'd order me, I'd ask for the orders in writing but also volunteer to gladly take a counseling statement, then I'd be "punished" in some administrative manner. Usually ordered to go rake dirt, paint rocks, or clean field gear. Usually stretching significantly "off duty". Which was fine with me. Worth every second to give the finger to the CFC.
One of the smarter officers solved the problem with bribery. She made the squad food and gave me cash which I would then donate. Violating Articles 81, 88, 92, 98, 107, 123, 131 and 133 of UCMJ in this context was entirely ethical, as "stealing money from your subordinates to further or support your own career" is significantly less ethical and immoral, even if common. The Lt was a pretty good officer.
A good officer should never under any circumstances take from his or her troops, against their will, to support said officer's own career and entirely for non-military purposes. Doesn't matter whether it's ordering NCOs to put the strong arm on the PFCs to cough up money to the CFC, or spend $20 on red shoes for some PR event, or anything else. People can flip out over feminism or liberalism or whatever else they wish to flip out over. They're entitled to their opinion.
I am choosing to point out how the ROTC is training potential officers to engage in unethical behavior that will erode any faith in said officer's fundamental ability to command. Otherwise, I completely concur with Brad.
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No, they don't. The "Walk A Mile" fundraisers have a sign up fee but shoes are provided. Locally the sign up fee is $25 but it's waived if you get that much in donations. Donations go directly to the agencies involved (in our case the local Rape Crisis Center). Hardly a "just did it to feel good" event. As for "every one of these march for this and walk for this events are useless", well, you need to educate yourself how most local non-profit organizations are funded, and how critical many of these organizations are to their communities.
Listen guys, everything about this is BS. It's a kid who thought it was beneath him to walk in women's shoes, good cause be damned. He messages his butthurt about it, people take it completely out of context, run with it, and here we are. People have invested emotional spittle in damning the ROTC for their "heinous act" and don't want to admit they got suckered by a teenager with a beef, a lopsided story, and the vagaries of social media.
The kid's post oozes self pity, put upon-ness, and a general sense of this-is-beneath-me elitism. Until anyone can prove different I'm sticking with the kid being a coddled twit, and the story making rounds because some overly sensitive political warrior(s) decided that context, back story, and a generally considering all the facts didn't matter because, you know, it's LIBERAL BAD PEOPLENESS RUN AMOCK LOOK OMIGOD THEY'RE WEARING WOMEN'S SHOES IT'S THE ROTC THEY'RE A BUNCH OF LIBTARD SCUM!!!
If we're to do anything about real problems then we have to stop letting ourselves get fooled into obsessing over the manufactured ones.
Brad
Ok. I took you at your word and looked up to find out what worthy cause the Temple (which is where this was happening) Walk a Mile In Her Shoes™ walk was supporting.
Reading the site, I don't see any charity involved in receiving donations there. I do see something about "Raising Awareness", but no mention of anything useful.
Maybe you can help me out by showing where this walk benefited a Women's shelter?
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If we're to do anything about real problems then we have to stop letting ourselves get fooled into obsessing over the manufactured ones.
Brad
You mean like the bogus "1 in 5 women raped in college" manufactured crisis? Or the "War on Women" manufactured crisis?
Or those manufactured on the http://www.walkamileinhershoes.org/ web page?
Every two minutes someone in America is raped. One in six American women are victims of sexual assault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/forcible-rape
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Military & associated personnel being ordered to support leftist front organizations, now there might be a problem.
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Yes, it is just a "feel good" event. They could just ask for donations only. They set up this "walk" stuff because it creates a social event so donors can hang out with other donors and pat themselves on the back. The physical act of walking makes them feel even more like they "did" something.
No, they don't. The "Walk A Mile" fundraisers have a sign up fee but shoes are provided. Locally the sign up fee is $25 but it's waived if you get that much in donations. Donations go directly to the agencies involved (in our case the local Rape Crisis Center). Hardly a "just did it to feel good" event. As for "every one of these march for this and walk for this events are useless", well, you need to educate yourself how most local non-profit organizations are funded, and how critical many of these organizations are to their communities.
Listen guys, everything about this is BS. It's a kid who thought it was beneath him to walk in women's shoes, good cause be damned. He messages his butthurt about it, people take it completely out of context, run with it, and here we are. People have invested emotional spittle in damning the ROTC for their "heinous act" and don't want to admit they got suckered by a teenager with a beef, a lopsided story, and the vagaries of social media.
The kid's post oozes self pity, put upon-ness, and a general sense of this-is-beneath-me elitism. Until anyone can prove different I'm sticking with the kid being a coddled twit, and the story making rounds because some overly sensitive political warrior(s) decided that context, back story, and a generally considering all the facts didn't matter because, you know, it's LIBERAL BAD PEOPLENESS RUN AMOCK LOOK OMIGOD THEY'RE WEARING WOMEN'S SHOES IT'S THE ROTC THEY'RE A BUNCH OF LIBTARD SCUM!!!
If we're to do anything about real problems then we have to stop letting ourselves get fooled into obsessing over the manufactured ones.
Brad
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I don't know what the kid's complaint is. My complaint is that it disrespects the uniform. The ROTC could have donated a bunch of cash, and had some guys show up, in full uniform, to help out in a support role.
Brad, it's not a small thing to humiliate someone, by forcing opposite-gender clothing on them. You may wear ladies' shoes, if you like. You feel it's a good cause, and that's fine. Others may feel differently, and they are not necessarily wrong.
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Yeah, I'm with Mak on this one. I'm looking for the good cause here and not finding one. Feminist agitation is not, in itself, a good cause.
The military has a real job to do. Maybe they should spend their time doing it.
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Now untwist your knickers chill the f*** out.
No. I will not.
Chill the f*** out yourself. I put my a** on the line wearing the uniform of a United States soldier, and I didn't do it so forty years later ROTC cadets could be ordered to prance around wearing ACUs with red stiletto heeled shoes.
Rape is bad. Rape in the military is bad. Ordering cadets to wear red shoes will not in any way reduce rape in the military. Claro?
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...It's a kid who thought it was beneath him to walk in women's shoes, good cause be damned. He messages his butthurt about it....The kid's post oozes self pity, put upon-ness, and a general sense of this-is-beneath-me elitism.
Brad, I'm sorry, but that's all in your head. There's nothing in what he said that would make that impression on an objective observer. All of your talk of "if he didn't wanna follow orders, he shouldn't a' enlisted," is baloney. You know very well that he had no way of knowing he would be asked to do something like this.
Also, it certainly is "beneath him" to wear women's shoes, in the same way it is beneath my wife to get a crew-cut and don a tuxedo. If that weren't true, they wouldn't be asking men to wear heels, for this event. The whole idea is based on the self-effacement of a man wearing feminine footwear, is it not?
But again, I know you've done one these walks. For you, it's a fun way to support a good cause. I won't argue with that. You weren't forced to do it, while in a military uniform.
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http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/301448-controversy-after-rotc-cadets-allegedly-forced-to-march-in-event-wearing-questionable-footwear/
I think that what gets me about it is that the armed forces is actually very gender neutral. Wearing a 'combat' uniform? Outside of a medical waiver or publicity stunt authorized from HIGH UP, it's combat boots.
If anything, I think that if we're going to put them in heels while in uniform, they should be in service dress while wearing the directed plain black moderately heeled shoes. IE in uniform, just a 'female' authorized variation.
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Need to apologize to you guys. I had a well and truly craptastic day and I let it piss poor attitude spill over into the way I was posting. I stand by my opinion, but my approach and presentation could have been a lot more... umm... tactful and diplomatic about it. Sorry.
Brad
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Need to apologize to you guys. I had a well and truly craptastic day and I let it piss poor attitude spill over into the way I was posting. I stand by my opinion, but my approach and presentation could have been a lot more... umm... tactful and diplomatic about it. Sorry.
Brad
Thank you.
I still think you're being defensive, due to your own connection with the event in question. Viewed more dispassionately, one might ask; is it a good idea for a government program to require people to be involved with charity organizations, or issue-advocacy? Is it somewhat more questionable when it might undermine the value the military has traditionally placed on the squared-away uniform, and what it represents? Is it even more questionable when it requires something as controversial, as personal, and as potentially offensive as cross-dressing? Yeah, I know, it's not exactly Rue Paul; but not everyone is going to be comfortable with bright red high-heeled shoes on a dude. In a world where we dare not offend anyone, I think we can manage to be respectful of people's boundaries on the subject.
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It was my understanding that ROTC requires community involvment as part of the program. Is that incorrect?
Brad
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It was my understanding that ROTC requires community involvment as part of the program. Is that incorrect?
Brad
I don't know. My last two objections would not be affected by this.
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It was my understanding that ROTC requires community involvment as part of the program. Is that incorrect?
Brad
Irrelevant, really. And no, there's generally not a requirement as part of the program to get involved in community events. Although it's frequently done for good PR. There are ways to support events like this that don't involve forcing a cadet, under threat of reprimand, to violate AR 670-1 (a regulation which, as a contracted cadet, he's BOUND BY LAW to follow).
Community involvement that involves mandatory participation in violating uniform regulations, is bogus. The uniform regulations exist for a reason.
Further, putting on heels to demonstrate for womens issues when the basic combat uniform is very purposely gender neutral kinda defeats the purpose.
It's degrading, and it's immoral to force a contracted cadet to violate 670-1 by wearing women's shoes.
Also, crossdressing, while not prohibited to members of the military, is expressly prohibited while representing the military. Further, it's ANOTHER ucmj violation to mix civilian clothing with the utility uniform, with the sole exception being a tennis shoe profile for someone with a foot condition which boots would aggravate.
Finally, I get real tired of hearing the "if he didnt want to follow orders, he shouldn't have joined" being tossed up as a catch-all for whatever hare-brained, borderline illegal order a soldier is forced to follow.
THe person who made this mandatory should be facing UCMJ action. Period.
Answer me this: what possible benefit to these soldiers' leadership abilities is produced by humiliating them in such a way and forcing them to violate several bits of military policy?
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"...then the Princess married her handsome Prince, the Kingdom was saved, and they all lived happily ever after. The End."
Brad
SecDef says ytou can't go there any more.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/22/defense-secretary-stamp-out-dirty-jokes-to-fight-sexual-assault-in-ranks/
Defense Secretary Ashton Carter told Georgetown University students today that dirty jokes are among the military behaviors that need to be corrected to stop sexual assault in the ranks.
“Our military is based on an ethos of honor, and this is dishonorable,” Carter said of the military’s sexual assault problem. “And second, we’re based on trust. We have to have trust. You have to trust in the soldier in the foxhole next to you. You have to trust in the sailor you’re underway with. You have to trust in the airmen on your wing. And you have to trust in the Marine on your flank. And these violations and these assaults are not just violations of the law, they are violations of that trust, which is essential to our mission.”
Looks like it would be better just going to Obama's free community colleges where this stuff will get drumed into you without the useless interruptions for drill, police calls, KP, and traveing to foreign lands to meet exotic people and killing them.
Some of you have talked about discouraging your kids from considering the military as a career. At this point I'd say it's time to channel Nancy Reagan and "Just Say No!" to the whole thing.
But for old time's sake, just once more: An Army Ranger, an Airforce Parajumper, and a Recon Marine walk into a bar. Nobody gets upset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8JB_rLL1uY
stay safe.
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the female in charge needs to be bitchslapped
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<<<<<<<ROTC Graduate.
I'm on my phone now, and will post more about it later.
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OK, I' home and can type from a real keyboard.
I 100% agree with Fitz, for the reasons he stated.
At least when I was going through ROTC, community involvement was not a requirement. Although, the "Black Berets" (aka Ranger wanna-bees) would march (in full uniform and full Rucksack, as a unit with the guidon and not as a gagglefuck as shown in the pictures) in the Wheaton 10k every year. Other cadets could join them, BUT the cadre was completely indifferent to who did and did not march. It was for your own personal betterment, marching 6.2 miles with a full ruck. I never did it, simply because I would either be working or have drill that weekend.
Earlier this month I went to visit a Cub Scout Pack during their Blue and Gold Dinner. (I was there to beg for money for Friends of Scouting). When I walked in, there were several soldiers in Dress Blues/ASU's holding Flags and drill Rifles. An NCO (SSG) and 4 cadets from Wheaton College. They had been asked by the Cub Scout Pack and volunteered to serve as Color Guard for the dinner. That's an acceptable thing for cadets to do. And according to the SSG it was totally voluntary. The ROTC department got the request and put it out to the Cadets. Once they had four cadets willing to give up their Friday night, they called back and said "Yes". Now, the four cadets may get a line in their "Reportcard" that says "Volunteered to represent the program at a community event", but none of the other cadets that didn't volunteer got down-checked or had "Refused to participate in a community activity." In fact, 3 of the four were freshmen (non-contract) and one a sophomore (Scholarship/contract). The SSG left, once she had "dropped them off".
But getting back to this event.
This has ZERO value, in teaching and training new officers how to lead. However, it does show the "real world" Army in which failing to do stupid *expletive deleted*it or acts one considers immoral can negatively affect your "Reportcard".
And one the officers I admired in Wheaton College, gave us several blank sheets of paper and the Flagpole Test. Being prior service I was only one to get the correct answer. (Although I did lose points for "I'll be at the Officer's Club" addendum. =D ;/)
But since Vietnam there has been the "Zero Defect" mentality, where the leadership gets blamed for PVT Snuffy's *expletive deleted*ck-ups. Things that used to be and should be handled at the NCO level are now reflected on OER's as leadership failures. Which was one reason I got out. I was tired of being told to do NCO jobs and be in NCO business. And my OER reflected it (Along with constantly being either setup to fail or thrown under the bus by my bigot/idiot of a Company Commander.)
This is just one more example of the social engineering experiment that the military becomes under leftist (CINC) leadership.
This, in my mind, damn near borders on an illegal order.
But for old time's sake, just once more: An Army Ranger, an Airforce Parajumper, and a Recon Marine walk into a bar. Nobody gets upset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8JB_rLL1uY
stay safe.
I thought this was what you were going to post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIqHhpX-pVs
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But since Vietnam there has been the "Zero Defect" mentality, where the leadership gets blamed for PVT Snuffy's *expletive deleted*ck-ups. Things that used to be and should be handled at the NCO level are now reflected on OER's as leadership failures. Which was one reason I got out. I was tired of being told to do NCO jobs and be in NCO business. And my OER reflected it (Along with constantly being either setup to fail or thrown under the bus by my bigot/idiot of a Company Commander.)
And there it is. This starts at the Joint Chief level or above. And gets hammered on down the line with a clear understanding that every subordinate command had better not let this happen. So whatever DEOMI puts out that week becomes about as important as a tablet Moses lost. I clearly understood 20 years ago in the military of when not to tell "those" jokes, not to grab female co-workers asses, and really didn't need to be told not to rape. But 20 years later I'm still treated like a suspect.
It's not just the ROTC getting marks against them. I have an EO block on my eval. Unless I actively participate as part of the command's EO or SAPR(Sexual Assault Prevention and Response) teams I will never ever see a 5.0 in that block. In fact I will see only a 3.0. The only way I can get lower than that is bad touching I suppose.
I hit 21 years in July. The micro-management is ridiculous. Nothing I do could not be done by a motivated and junior E-5. Same goes for the all-knowing E-7s who exist solely to pad their resume and behave as un-documented admirals. I had one good tour for leadership and that was on a Gator Freighter. Our 80 person department had one LDO O-4, 2 CWOs and the rest enlisted. My chief was the divo. I pretty much functioned as the chief. Meanwhile back in CVN land you pretty much had to route a memo to take a piss.
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It was already rooted way back when I got out in '92. I was an E6 and the LPO of my division. My div-o was a LT and Dept. Head was LCDR.
As LPO I got reamed first if one of my guys screwed up. Best was a standing ass chewing from the COB(Chief of the boat, E9 top enlisted) when one of my E5s bounced a check at the commissary. Somehow I should have seen it coming and prevented it. Turned out to have been the banks screw up but I didn't get any apology.
The beginning of the end of my career came one afternoon in the ward room during our 2nd daily status briefing with the Dept head.
The LCDR got into a nasty shouting match with his E6 ET division LPO over trivial crap. I took it till he started the personal attacks, name calling and cussing then gave back as good as I was getting while the XO watched. "*expletive deleted*ck you" was flying thick from both sides but he was first to let fly.
Guess who went to Captain's Mast (Art. 15 for you ground pounders) for disrespect to a superior officer? =D
I'm pretty sure the Old Man dismissed it in large part because the LCDR was in fact an incompetent, worthless piece of *expletive deleted*it(the LCDR called me that first, I just repeated it to him during the dust up). That and the POS was such a dick that he didn't bother to formally notify me of the pending Captain's Mast.
Lots more details but it was dismissed with no official record in my records.
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Such is why I am seriously considering leaving in about two years after my 20 year letter hits in August of 2016.
I will never see SFC (E-7) and if I'm not careful I might wind up back as a SGT (E-5).
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I have my letter. It is a dangerous and powerful thing that you want to frame and wear around your neck like Flavor Flav. I'm there until 22 mainly so I can transfer educational benefits.
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I've been looking at doing that also, which would put me around 23 or so.
If I fulfill my contract I will be done at 22 also.