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« on: May 10, 2006, 02:03:35 PM »
My city (suburb of Milwaukee) was hell-bent on completely tearing up our area, reducing the streets to rubble and generally making our lives miserable. All for nothing, IMO.

Many residents--but not enough--went to city council meetings to protest. But the fix was in.

They just started a couple of weeks ago, and I can't stand it anymore. And it's going to go on until about this time next year.

They start at 5:45 am with the heavy equipment, smashing through the pavement, dump trucks coming and going by the minute. The entire house shakes, probably the way a house would in a 5.0 earthquake.

The dust and dirt is so bad that I can't see out my windows. The cars are covered in dirt; no sense washing them, as they'll be covered again in an hour or two. Even my motorcycle, which is in the garage and under a cover, is full of dirt.

My head is so clogged with dust that I have a constant headache.

I need to be on my computer just about all day long, but I can't risk having a hard drive get shattered.

Aaaarrrrggghhhhh!

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 02:22:39 PM »
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My city (suburb of Milwaukee) was hell-bent on completely tearing up our area, reducing the streets to rubble and generally making our lives miserable.
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What are they doing, putting in canals?

Maybe you could bust out the video camera and make a documentary about it.  Start by showing your alarm clock bouncing off the nightstand at 5:45 am.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 05:48:01 PM »
crt360, they might as well be building canals.

They'll be tearing the streets down to the base. They're already digging some 10+ feet down, and that's just for the laterals for the sewer pipes.

The city of MKE did this last summer, when my father-in-law was dying from cancer. The city tore up one of main drags--the one my in-laws lived on--so bad that emergency vehicles could not get through. Not ambulances, not fire engines, not anything.

When my FIL started to hemorrhage really bad, the fire department had to build ramps to get him from his house to an ambulance. By that time, he'd lost so much blood the doctor was amazed that he was still conscious, much less still alive.

Our tax dollars at work. Sad

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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 06:16:22 PM »
Ya know Dick, I'd be happy to store the Softail for ya 'till they're done... Wink

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2006, 06:50:07 PM »
Hey, Bill, I might just be looking for storage. They're going to be tearing up the alley, too.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2006, 07:38:55 PM »
Yeah, well get back to us a month after they finish, when they come back and cut that pretty new road to pieces laying new gas lines or electrical cables or something.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2006, 09:09:11 PM »
Serious question: how 'bout I rent her from ya for the summer? Or you can store her, no charge (might find some newer chrome on 'er though)...

 Let me know, either way. I'd hate to think of her getting all nasty because of road destruction...

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2006, 02:17:15 AM »
The city of Lafayette did this to my subdivision last year.  It looks very nice now.Smiley

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2006, 02:29:45 AM »
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Yeah, well get back to us a month after they finish, when they come back and cut that pretty new road to pieces laying new gas lines or electrical cables or something.
Wow, if I didn't know better, I'd think you lived in MY town!

Plus we have the neverending work parties on the I 91 / 95 / 84 corridors. IIRC they started in '85 and they still ain't quite done. Just a few more tweaks I think. rolleyes
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2006, 05:07:30 AM »
Makes me glad I live way off down a dirt road.

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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2006, 07:12:48 AM »
Well Wisconsin is one them Upper Midwest States, just like Iowa. Two seasons: Winter and Road Construction. At least you are seeing your property taxes you pay at work.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2006, 07:19:06 AM »
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Well Wisconsin is one them Upper Midwest States, just like Iowa. Two seasons: Winter and Road Construction. At least you are seeing your property taxes you pay at work.

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Actually, here in Milwaukee it's only like one season most of the time: Road Construction. They even work through winter doing that stuff. Sad
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 11:58:15 AM »
El Tejon, if this was really necessary, I'd take it in stride. But it's not.

I had lengthy arguments with the city engineer about this (a couple of the guys in his office told me that there was another option: just put down new blacktop).

When I asked him why all this was necessary, he said it was because of the flooding. "What flooding?" I asked. "We only get a puddle or two when there's a heavy rain."

"Well, your street may not flood, but streets in other areas do."

"Well, fix those streets then, " I said.

"If we don't put in the new sewers, curbs and gutters, the water will get under the asphalt and it will begin to buckle. And we'll have to come back in ten years to fix the street."

"Sir," I replied, "this street hasn't been re-paved in 35 years, and it still is in good condition."

"Well, we need to put in the new sewer system so that clean water doesn't get into the sanitary system."

"Let me get this straight," I said. "Clean water getting into sewer pipes filled with crap is a problem...how?"

I couldn't get a straight answer from the guy.

But I'm going to stop in at city hall to examine the campaign finance reports for the mayor, city council members, and city engineer for last year. I think I may find some answers there.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2006, 12:06:02 PM »
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"Well, we need to put in the new sewer system so that clean water doesn't get into the sanitary system."

"Let me get this straight," I said. "Clean water getting into sewer pipes filled with crap is a problem...how?"

I couldn't get a straight answer from the guy.

But I'm going to stop in at city hall to examine the campaign finance reports for the mayor, city council members, and city engineer for last year. I think I may find some answers there.
Too much water in the sanitary sewer system will overload the system, makes sense to me.  Why there is storm sewers and sanitary sewers. Turd plants can only handle so much in flow of effluents at a time. Most storm sewers take water to a water way, wetland or something to that nature.  

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2006, 12:08:36 PM »
If you're worried about your computer, go find yourself a sheet of 3/8" thick neoprene. Scuba shops occasionally have them. Double up to give you 3/4" and put your computer on it.

Amazingly resistant to vibration.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2006, 12:20:36 PM »
Also your street being torn up and sewers redone because something further up the line might connecting, ie a new development, change of sewer flow from existing system, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2006, 12:22:27 PM »
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Too much water in the sanitary sewer system will overload the system, makes sense to me.  Why there is storm sewers and sanitary sewers. Turd plants can only handle so much in flow of effluents at a time. Most storm sewers take water to a water way, wetland or something to that nature.  

C
Exactly. And Milwaukee's had a problem for a couple of years with their waste drains reaching capacity in big rainstorms. They've even had to dump sewage in Lake Michigan because they couldn't handle that much water. So yeah, clean water in sewage pipes has been a bit of a problem for Milwaukee before.
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2006, 01:02:33 PM »
I had asked one of the engineers if this was being done because of the overload for the MKE sewarage system, and was told no.

Mike, thanks for the tip about the neoprene. I'm not being paranoid: an outfit I did business with a few years ago had several hard drives crash when the street they were on was being torn up like this.

I just gotta love the way the city tried to sell this to the residents. They told us that only 20% of the cost of the project would be added to our tax bills, and that the other 80% would be added to the tax bills of other Greenfield residents.

That means that somebody else is paying for "improvements" to my street. And that, when their streets get "improvements," I'll get to pay for theirs.

On top of that, to appease local residents, the city is taking a small area of woods at the end of my street and building a park. A flyer from one of the neighborhood groups sounded absolutely jubilant, saying that "we're getting a park for free, paid for by the City!"

Don't these people get it?

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2006, 07:00:33 PM »
On the drive to my first day on my new job in Milwaukee a few weeks ago, I took the same route that I had mapped out for my interview. I just about panicked when I found that same street ripped up a few blocks from my workplace that monday and I had no idea now how to get from point A to point B. All I knew was that I had to find a way across the river then loop around back north. Not at all familiar with that part of the city, I somehow managed to find a route and get to work just in time.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2006, 05:46:22 AM »
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I'm not being paranoid: an outfit I did business with a few years ago had several hard drives crash when the street they were on was being torn up like this.
I wonder if it was from the concrete dust?  It is very fine and quite abrasive.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2006, 12:46:50 PM »
OK, now they're really driving me insane. I woke up around midnight last night and didn't fall asleep until a bit after 6 am.

6:40 am they started with the heavy equipment. The whole house was shaking, and I awoke so fast I thought I'd have a heart attack. I have no idea what they were doing or what they were using, but it was louder than anything I've ever heard.

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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2006, 07:27:55 PM »
Since nobody is replying, just consider this my personal rant.

Today, at about 1:30 pm, the guy with the Ditch Witch hit a natural gas main pipe. Must have been a main pipe, because the hissing sound was so loud folks heard it a block away. Also, all the construction guys stopped what they were doing, and the foreman ran to the site with this "OhMyGod" look on his face.

We closed our windows, but the gas was in the air, everywhere. I still have a headache.

What I find really interesting is that nobody went door-to-door to tell people to leave. Nobody even called the fire department to have a truck nearby, just in case things went south.

Instead, they got a guy from Wisconsin Gas. He put on his flame-retardant suit, oxygen tank, some sort of face shield/helmet and other gear, and had him go down to check it out. I just hope it wasn't Bondo that he put on the cracked pipe.

I love government.

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2006, 08:44:05 PM »
Dude... given the competance level, it wouldn't have supprised me if he had tried welding it...

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2006, 03:44:16 AM »
Time for a vacation, Dick.Cheesy

Maybe check out Kerrville.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2006, 10:06:48 AM »
Despite the fact that the city engineer told Monkeyleg that it wasn't because of Milwaukee's sewer problems, with a straight face, I'd be skeptical.

Here's a little background for the non-Milwaukee posters:

- Due to the historically curious fact that we once had a small dynasty of socialist mayors, Milwaukee was one of the first large cities in the U.S. to install a "modern" sewer system.

- Unfortunately, by doing it so early they, jumped the gun, and installed what's known as a "combined sewer" That means rain from the streets, and pewp from homes goes in the same pipe. When modern sewage treatment came on the scene, this was a huge problem when it rained. It's way too much for any plant to handle. Untreated sewage was going into lake Michigan just like the old days.

- Liberal Milwaukee decided they needed to come up with a scam ("wealth distribution") to make the "rich" suburbs (which all have modern separated rain and pewp sewers) pay for Milwaukee's screwed up sewers, or even better, get them out of having to replace them.

- Milwaukee is the driving force behind forming the MMSD, the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewage District, which all municipalities that share Milwaukee's exit point into Lake Michigan have to participate in.

- The burbs have a chance to either be full members with a seat on the MMSD board, or, just be a non-voting "customer" city of the MMSD. Most burbs chose the "customer" status fearing that being a full member will somehow cost them more money.

- The Burbs were stupid.

- The MMSD packs it's board with pro-Milwaukee people who will follow the "screw the rich suburbs" agenda.

- Instead of biting the bullet and separating Milwaukee's sewers, the MMSD comes up with the "Deep Tunnel Project". It's a huge thing 10x the size of NORAD under Milwaukee, (where all those pretty limestone rocks lining the shore came from&) costing billions of dollars that (supposedly) stores the rain/pewp mix from Milwaukee's screwed up sewers, then "catch up" and treat it on dry days later. Because some of the burb's normal pewp-only sewage goes into the tunnel on rainy days, it's the justification that they have to help pay. The fact that their clean rainwater from their proper sewers stays out, is not enough to get them off the hook apparently.

- Surprise! The Deep Tunnel doesn't work! It was supposed to only get overloaded and let pewp into Lake Michigan during a "100 year rain", but instead does so regularly at every decent thunderstorm. Milwaukee public beaches are closed more often than not because of dangerous bacteria. (Although who'd want to swim in Lake Michigan is beyond me anyway, the western shore is cold as a witches tit, even in August, all the warm water blows east to Michigan's eastern shore&)

- Instead of admitting the Deep Tunnel was a scam/failure, the MMSD is now pushing the Burbs to clean up "incidental" sources of rain water, claiming older sections of the burb's sewers "leak" and let a little rainwater in, increasing the volume. There's also a big push to make sure people's downspouts are not dumping into sewers. However Milwaukee's downtown combined sewers are more than likely 95%+ of the rainwater mixing with the pewp, causing overflows into the lake. This is all just more re-direction and scamming...

- Despite the fact that Milwaukee/MMSD is arguably the biggest polluter by volume in Lake Michigan, maybe even the U.S. the WI state DNR, and the Fed EPA do NOTHING, because it "isn't fair" to fine a big liberal city full of "poor people". All the while, some small business spills a can of paint thinner in their parking lot, and gets fined millions, has to dig up tons of dirt etc...

So that's why poor Monkeyleg has a headache.

The whole Sewer problem in Milwaukee makes our CCW fight look trivial some days...