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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2006, 08:35:24 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2006, 08:37:22 AM »
Appearntly I didn't do much talking a kid.  My Mom even took me to the local school to see if I was going to be ready for Kindergarden.  She is still mad at me to this day for what I did.  They ran through a series of tests, which I apearntly passed with flying colors, making the school people wonder what was wrong with this psycho, paranoid, lady.

My youngest doesn't have many clear words (I can only think of 5), but is able to communicate.  He is only 15 months old though.  My oldest talked like crazy.  The only thing we did with her was correct her pronunciation.

As already stated, kids learn at their own rates.  I think you would cause more harm than good if you are going force the kid to talk.  Just my $.02
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2006, 09:01:30 AM »
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The only thing we did with her was correct her pronunciation
When my daughter misspronounces something such as brocolli, we try to correct her.  She replies back, "no, occolli". rolleyes

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2006, 09:11:43 AM »
"The thing you need to understand is that they have to set charts for everything, height, weight, reflexes, dexterity, hearing, vocabulary, tooth growth, etc..."

Yep, charts for weight and height.

Mtnbkr's daughter is very small and very light for her age (doesn't keep her from hitting like a middleweight, though). I wonder whom they would send around to help with that? Smiley

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2006, 09:17:01 AM »
Funny you mention that.  We've discussed that issue with her doc.  Since the two of us were small and light as children, we were told not to worry as long as her health is good.  He said genetic testing could be necessary if problems develop, but since she's a healthy, normal child otherwise, and because we were both small, there's no reason to worry.

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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2006, 09:27:37 AM »
I've seen pictures of Michele. Her I buy being small.

You, on the other hand?

Come on. Next thing you'll be trying to sell us a bridge.

Sheesh. rolleyes

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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2006, 09:28:06 AM »
I wouldn't worry about it (her not talking and I'm sure that the Doc checked her hearing).  I didn't start talking until I was around 3 years old and now they can't shut me up lol.

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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2006, 09:37:19 AM »
The issue has been beat to death already, but I figured I'd chime in.  My dad said I took a while to talk.  I didn't talk in unclear words, I was just quiet.  Until 1 1/2 or 2, I think.  Then I just started talking in complete sentences.  Now, I was a National Merit School, graduated cum laude w/ a B.S. in math and one in C.S., blah blah blah.  Whatever.  

Bottom line, if your kid is 17 YEARS old and still doesn't have 25-30 clear words, then you might need to worry.  Until then (or maybe anything under 5 or so) I wouldn't worry too much.  Also put me down as reluctant to let some special team of doctors into my house to examine an apparently very normal child.  *shrug*  My $2*10^-2...

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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2006, 10:33:25 AM »
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When my daughter misspronounces something such as brocolli, we try to correct her.  She replies back, "no, occolli".
I don't remember when we started to correct her.  All I remember is the reason why we started to correct her.  I have forgetten what word she was starting to use frequently, but it came out as a cuss word.  We didn't think it would be "proper" for a little girl to start cussing.  

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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2006, 11:52:28 AM »
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The only thing we did with her was correct her pronunciation
When my daughter misspronounces something such as brocolli, we try to correct her.  She replies back, "no, occolli". rolleyes

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It was a sad day in our house when my son figured out that the word is not "aminal".  But he was 19 years old by then so.....(j'k)
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2006, 11:56:27 AM »
All Things Considered, March 29, 2006 ·
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5310107

It usually makes parents proud when their children reach a developmental milestone ahead of other kids. But when it comes to intelligence, researchers say, the smartest children appear to have brains that develop later.

Researchers at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have been tracking brain development in several hundred children since the 1980s. The children get an MRI scan every few years and computers analyze the results.

One goal is to find a link between specific changes in the brain and intelligence -- at least the kind that can be measured.

So a group of researchers has been studying the cortex, or gray matter that makes up the brain's outer layer. This is where so-called high-level thinking takes place.

Dr. Judith Rapoport says they expected to find evidence that a thicker cortex meant a higher IQ. But they didn't.

"When we looked at the very youngest group, the 4- to 8-year-olds, it was confusing," she says. "It looked like it was telling you that thinner brains had higher IQ."

To figure out what was going on, the team looked at how the scans changed as these children grew up. Rapoport says they divided the children into three groups, according to intelligence.

"The very, very brightest third had a later development of their cortex," she says, "so that at the earlier ages they hadn't started really growing to their peak amount yet."

The cortex in these children started thinner but grew faster and for a longer time. By about age 11 it was actually thicker than the cortex of less intelligent children.

Rapoport says the results, which appear in this week's issue of the journal Nature, challenge an assumption made by many parents.

"People are usually pre-occupied with everything happening earlier, and being able to do things in a precocious way," Rapoport says. "This suggests that there could be some very clear advantages to things happening later."

She says one advantage is that if the brain keeps growing into adolescence, it can be shaped in response to more complicated experiences and ideas.

The research does not settle another concern many parents have: the link between intelligence and genes.

Richard Passingham is a neuroscientist at Oxford University in the United Kingdom. He says it would be easy to look at this study and conclude that intelligence is predetermined by how your brain grows.

"You might naively just think, 'Oh, that must be because there are differences in the genes compared with those of lesser intelligence,'" he says.

Passingham says he doesn't want parents to see this study and think: "Oh dear, it's all the brain, therefore there's nothing as parents we can do about it."

Genes aren't the only explanation for smart kids, he says. "It's possible that those with superior intelligence live in families in which there are also people with superior intelligence, and thus there is a richer linguistic and social environment."

Passingham says intelligence depends on the right mix of nature and nurture. Genes might determine whether a child's brain develops later. But that won't make the child smarter unless the brain also gets the right kind of stimulation.

During childhood, Passingham says, every experience helps shape the brain and determine its abilities. He says the study makes a case for paying more attention to a child's surroundings, not less.

"What you would do is advise teachers, parents and everyone else to produce as stimulating a social and linguistic environment as possible," he says.

That can be especially difficult for children who are extremely intelligent. Studies suggest that talented and gifted kids are more likely to drop out of school because of boredom.
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2006, 01:19:45 PM »
I wouldn't let them in my home.  Your kid is fine.  People experince puberty at different ages, same applies with young children.

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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2006, 05:46:44 PM »
I'd consider it a blessing.   At least now you know she should pursue an education path in advanced physics.

I mean Einstein didn't speak until he was 3yrs old and didn't communicate properly until he was 7.

Personally I am of the belief that ALL "defects" in children are completely normal.  
Perhaps it's God's way of teaching the parents a lesson or two.
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That being said I wouldn't worry about it.  I also wouldn't waste time with "specialists"  Treat her like a normal little girl and love her all the same and she will blossom in her own time.  You may just have a genius on your hands.
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2006, 06:10:24 PM »
>Funny you mention that.  We've discussed that issue with her doc.  Since the two of us were small and light as children, we were told not to worry as long as her health is good.  He said genetic testing could be necessary if problems develop, but since she's a healthy, normal child otherwise, and because we were both small, there's no reason to worry.<

they missed the most important thing: id she still beating the pulp out of Mike? If yes, then she's able to do hat she needs to, so no problem! :neener:

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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2006, 08:47:06 PM »
"id she still beating the pulp out of Mike?"

She's been taking it somewhat easy on me lately.

A few weeks ago she caught me over the left ear with a cupped palm. My ear rang for about 10 minutes and my ear and throat were sore for the better part of a day.

She also punched me in the crotch a couple of weeks ago. I don't know why, but she always targets the left ghoolie.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2006, 09:06:19 PM »
>She's been taking it somewhat easy on me lately.

A few weeks ago she caught me over the left ear with a cupped palm. My ear rang for about 10 minutes and my ear and throat were sore for the better part of a day.

She also punched me in the crotch a couple of weeks ago. I don't know why, but she always targets the left ghoolie.<

what... she's slacking off? Chris... do I need to send her some multivitamins?!?!? We can't have her sluffing off her job!

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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2006, 09:55:27 PM »
I looked at the website, and don't think you should be concerned that the Dr. is sending out someone because of a suspicion of abuse/neglect, but rather that the dr suspects some physical disability on the part of your child, and this is his/her method of sending you to a specialist (sending a specialist to you).

Did your child have any hearing tests? Any tests for symptoms of autism?

It's probably nothing at all wrong, but if something (like a hearing difficulty) can be corrected early on, it can prevent speech impediment later on in life.
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2006, 08:06:01 AM »
Ex ma hole,

First, let me tell you something that might interest you (and everyone else).  Everyone by now knows I was one of the resident criminal prosecutors on THR, and came over here for the laughs.  Back in the early days of my career, I was a prosecutor assigned to be legal counsel for Child Protective Services.  In other words, I prosecuted complaints seeking to remove children at the request of those "nanny state busybody aholes."  Now, I am a Magistrate (think Assistant Judge), and among my varied duties is to preside over and decise such cases.  Whether that makes me one of the busybody aholes or not, I don't know.  Smiley

Anyways, in my experiences, the key issue is not whether an issue exists with a child, such as a possible speach delay, etc.  Those things happen.  The key is whether or not the parents do anything about it.  And you are.  As for the people coming to your home, I wouldn't sweat it.  Is your home safe and clean?  By that I mean no dog crap on the floor, no moldy food on the stove, no stack of moldy dishes in the sink, food in the fridge and cupboards, no exposed wiring, no holes in the floors, no holes in the roof, utilities working, guns secured (you might want to conceal them for the duration of the visit, just to avoid the headaches.)  That is what matters. Sounds to me like the service people want to see the family interact in a normal environment, for purposes of making suggestions, and to help rule in or out any kind of organic vs. non-organic issues.  In this part of the world, having guns would make you average.  I had the fight with one of the more extreme liberal social workers about guns in the home.  I'm now the magistrate, and she moved to N.Y.C.  Care to guess who won that argument?  Smiley  

Yes, I agree with most people that this is overreacting to the problem at hand, but then again I had my oldest son run through a battery of hearing tests when it looked like he may have had hearing problems.  He did. Selective hearing, meaning he would llisten when he wanted to.  Like his mother.

Try to relax.  But then again, keep worrying.  It makes you the good dad that you are.

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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2006, 08:10:03 AM »
"what... she's slacking off? Chris... do I need to send her some multivitamins?!?!? We can't have her sluffing off her job!"

Nah, I figure she's just disgusted with me. It seems that I always end up in the corner, sobbing and sucking my thumb after spending a little time around her.

I think I'm suffering from PTSS... Post Toddler Stress Syndrom.
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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2006, 02:51:07 PM »
well, ok... s'long as she's not sluffing off. Maybe she's just giving you a little time to recover, before REALLY tying into you? :neener:

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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2006, 04:22:49 AM »
Got 3.  First (now 16) walked at 8 months.  2nd (my son) now 14, didn't until 15 months.  3rd walked about 10 months.  

All kids are different.  Yours is okay and if needed (at about age 4-5), you can get a speech therapist to help clear up any issues.  I don't know that it's possible to get a clear diagnosis on speech problems (unless it a physiological issue with deformed palate, etc.) before age 3.

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2006, 05:44:35 AM »
cas700850 -  Yes, house is clean, etc.



I got some more info.  I guess they are coming to offer suggestions in the form of games, that may or may not help her to speak.

The "Team" in 4-6 weeks is really only two people, to offer more input, in case the woman on Monday doesn't offer anything that works.

I feel a bit better now.  Thanks y'all for your help.
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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2006, 05:56:20 AM »
ex-ma hole,

Glad to hear things are working out this way.  And, don't worry about the speech.  It will come.  Then, you may wish it didn't, because it won't stop.  Smiley

Good luck, and feel free to ask questions if anything makes you suspicious again.  My advice is available on legal issues, but remember, I'm from a different part of the world, so it may not be much.  But it's there.

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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2006, 07:28:08 AM »
Everyone here has offered good advice already.

I only feel compelled to jump in because I've got four little girls in diapers. A set of 22 month-old fraternal twin girls, and 11 month-old identical girls.

Anyway, everyone's advice is pretty on the mark. (Except for those with paranoid knee-jerk responses, thinking this is a CPS visit, and to "kick the bums out" etc.) This isn't the child-welfare agency coming to your house. There are independent in-home rehabilitation service agencies out there and often they get some state money, and they need to "keep busy" to justify the grants and funding. The lion's share of their work is for semi-independent handicapped adults, those with mental development issues, home-care for the elderly etc. But they also do therapy for children and toddlers. They usually affiliate with a hospital system, or a chain of medical clinics, which is why your pediatrician referred them.

A speech pathologist will come to your house a couple of times and will sit down with him and show him pictures, flashcards, and toys, and try to get him to say "ball", "blue", "truck" etc I'm with everyone else that it's about 99.99999% certain your kid is fine, but the speech therapy won't hurt. So if it's free, or insurance covers it, don't sweat it. I sincerely doubt there's any suspicion his speech delay has anything to do with you being "bad parents".

 Just do what parent's always do with their kids naturally, talk to them constantly about what they're doing, the things they point at or are holding, read them books etc. and just be sure to go ape-*expletive deleted*it happy when they use a new word correctly, as positive reinforcement, and it'll all come out fine in the end.

We have a family friend who's two boys barely uttered a word until they were five years old. We were all really concerned because of their father, who'd been a childhood friend of my dad since the late 40's. Everyone loves the guy to death, he's so good-natured he's a shoo-in for heaven if there is an after-life. However, also imagine a 6'2" blue-collar "Forrest Gump" but built like an ox, a quintessential Wisconsin cheesehead, who played armature rugby up into his 40's because he's nearly invulnerable to pain, and you get the idea why people might be worried about his kids intellectual development. Our worries were baseless however,  both his sons are in college and studying abroad this year. So I think everyone's got an example in their circle of family or friends of kids who are "different" but ultimately turn out just fine.

With our two sets of twin girls only 11 months apart we've had a unique opportunity to compare how kids develop and progress, and it's amazing how different children even in the same family can be. Our younger identical girls were late to roll, sit up, crawl, and pull up to stand, as compared to our older twin girls, and it concerned us a bit. However, what they wound up doing is while each milestone was late, when they finally conquered it, they did so within a day or two, while our older girls who were performing the milestone at the right time, often struggled with it much longer before they mastered the skill.

So just one more "+1" that all kids are different in how they develop, and the vast majority turn out fine.
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« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2006, 08:02:44 AM »
The only issue your kid has is natural, commonly called No 1 and No 2.  As to her not speaking, she is just saving up for when she has something to say, hopefully for your sake it will be after she gets married...Wink

I would look more for an in office visit/assessment before a home check.
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