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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 08:54:01 PM »
You can pick up a lot of decent hunting rifles from $400-700.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 08:57:23 PM »
Pisshaw!  hunderd bucks.



cheap >:D



There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2014, 08:59:46 PM »
Would it help to rephrase the question?

Some folks are willing to settle for whatever works just as long as it is the least expensive (and thus often the cheapest, too) when they are buying.

Those same folks are often the same ones who actually believe that the item obtained under the above criteria are worth top-drawer prices when it comes to selling.

These characteristics are ascribed to the denizens of whatever activity in which you happen to encounter them - probably because at that moment you are not encountering them in some other setting.

With that, we come to the perpetual question - how much quality is "just right"?  For some things I will settle for nothing less that top-drawer quality, but will look for the least expense needed.  For other things, bottom-of-the-barrel will do just fine.

That being said, I must admit that I have never wanted to know enough about a thing that I could differentiate by sight whether it was high-end, low-end, or just plain dreck.  My bottom line (for myself and for everybody else) is that if it works things are just wonderful, and if your high-end/low-end stuff does not work for you I do not want to hear about it.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2014, 08:59:48 PM »
There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.

IS SOME SORT OF RULE THAT YOU MUST TAKE RIFLE OF CAPITALIST DOG TO HUNT SMELLY FOOD?

IF RIFLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SMASH CHEST OF FASCIST, GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE SILLY TROPHY FOR DECADENT AMERICAN DEN
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:58 PM »
IS SOME SORT OF RULE THAT YOU MUST TAKE RIFLE OF CAPITALIST DOG TO HUNT SMELLY FOOD?

IF RIFLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SMASH CHEST OF FASCIST, GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE SILLY TROPHY FOR DECADENT AMERICAN DEN

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2014, 09:02:49 PM »
There is no way in hell I would take a cheap rifle on a $5000 Elk hunt.

Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?

If so, in my book it's 'good enough".  Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2014, 09:25:35 PM »
Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?

If so, in my book it's 'good enough".  Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.

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7.62x54R is about the same as .308, so it should do the job. Just got to get a bit closer in order to actually hit the damn thing, unless you have a Finnish rebuild...
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2014, 09:31:37 PM »
Not knowing, I need to ask - will it kill an elk at the range you normally encounter an elk?

If so, in my book it's 'good enough".  Plus, there are bonus points when it does work and the uber-ultra-expensive shootenboomerstick the other guy was toting missed.

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Most Elk where I hunt are shot 200-500yards. Most are 200-300 yards.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2014, 09:32:59 PM »
Pisshaw!  hunderd bucks.


I doubt you could get a decent Mosin Nagant for $100 nowadays.

Might have to splurge: $150 or so.     ;)
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2014, 10:01:15 PM »
7.62x54R is about the same as .308, so it should do the job. Just got to get a bit closer in order to actually hit the damn thing, unless you have a Finnish rebuild...

And a Finn Mosin is not going to go for "a hunnerdollar".
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2014, 11:17:10 PM »
Sigh.....I remember the days when they were in gunshops in a barrel with a sign that read "$29.00 ea".

Finally bought a good one (all matching original serial #'s) for $69.00.
 
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2014, 11:18:38 PM »
OK, on the rifle prices. Like I said, I'm not in the rifle market lately, so I don't price 'em.
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2014, 11:34:27 PM »
Would it help to rephrase the question?

Some folks are willing to settle for whatever works just as long as it is the least expensive (and thus often the cheapest, too) when they are buying.

Those same folks are often the same ones who actually believe that the item obtained under the above criteria are worth top-drawer prices when it comes to selling.

These characteristics are ascribed to the denizens of whatever activity in which you happen to encounter them - probably because at that moment you are not encountering them in some other setting.

With that, we come to the perpetual question - how much quality is "just right"?  For some things I will settle for nothing less that top-drawer quality, but will look for the least expense needed.  For other things, bottom-of-the-barrel will do just fine.

That being said, I must admit that I have never wanted to know enough about a thing that I could differentiate by sight whether it was high-end, low-end, or just plain dreck.  My bottom line (for myself and for everybody else) is that if it works things are just wonderful, and if your high-end/low-end stuff does not work for you I do not want to hear about it.

stay safe.

Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.

I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2014, 04:11:10 PM »
Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2014, 04:19:22 PM »
Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.

I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.

It seems what you are actually looking for are people who are price conscious to the exclusion of all else.

I'll admit I'm guilty of that to an extent.  If I'm getting the exact same product from the same manufacturer, I generally care less who the middle man providing it is.  Often it'll be amazon contracting with some outfit I've never heard of before.  /shrug/

Anymore, all the middlemen are doing anyway is drop-shipping - why wouldn't I choose the lowest cost vendor?  If it doesn't arrive, I have the protection of visa behind me.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2014, 05:52:30 PM »
Let me try to rephrase, or at least offer an example. I advertise on a site (slickguns.com) where the members/visitors post the best deals they've found on just about anything gun related. The people that frequent the site aren't necessarily looking to buy something inexpensive, but are looking to buy whatever it is they want at the absolute lowest price. I can advertise a $1000 ACOG for $50 above my cost, and they'll tout Botach Tactical if Botach is even $5 less. Doesn't matter that Botach has a horrible reputation, and a buyer has a 20% chance of never getting his order. Botach is $5 cheaper and that's all that counts.

I'd like to find these sort of people in other areas of interest, such as musical instruments as Fitz mentioned or parts and tools for shade tree mechanics.

Any site dedicated to finding the very lowest price will be full of people who only care about getting the very lowest price.
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2014, 07:02:07 PM »
I'm wondering if the cheapness of folk,or rather,the apparent cheapness of folk has become more prevalent in the last decade?If before the Towers fell people were as "cheap"as some appear now?Does recession breed a particular mindset?My grandparents and those of many,many members here lived thru the Great Depression.Those people were labeled frugal.Is there really any difference?Other than that the internet gives instant access to "deals" and that like minded folk can forum up and support each others habit?
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2014, 08:53:06 PM »
I'm trying to find another very large niche group that's nearly as cheap, as cheap, or cheaper.

Any ideas?

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2014, 08:55:49 PM »
Jeep people.

Just like gun people. If they're selling, it's wort a gazillion dollars. If they're buying, it's junk but they'll do you a favor and take it off your hands.

Craigslisters.

I had a guy offer me $100 for my nearly brand new air compressor the other day. *expletive deleted*ck him. I'd send it to a scrapyard before selling it to a low balling mother *expletive deleted*er like that.

Of course, if he was selling something it'd be priced like it was made of gold.




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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2014, 08:50:05 PM »
I'm wondering if the cheapness of folk,or rather,the apparent cheapness of folk has become more prevalent in the last decade?If before the Towers fell people were as "cheap"as some appear now?Does recession breed a particular mindset?My grandparents and those of many,many members here lived thru the Great Depression.Those people were labeled frugal.Is there really any difference?Other than that the internet gives instant access to "deals" and that like minded folk can forum up and support each others habit?

Frugal is vastly different that cheap.

A frugal person may well insist on paying more than lowest price based on quality issues (buy quality once vs buy cheap over and over).  A frugal person may insist on paying more than lowest price because the cheap stuff is designed for rapid obsolesence and has no user-replacable parts while the more expensive item can be maintained via repair/replacement of parts for a service life much greater than the cheapest item for less total cost than multiple replacements of the cheapest item.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2014, 08:52:15 PM »
Frugal is vastly different that cheap.

A frugal person may well insist on paying more than lowest price based on quality issues (buy quality once vs buy cheap over and over).  A frugal person may insist on paying more than lowest price because the cheap stuff is designed for rapid obsolesence and has no user-replacable parts while the more expensive item can be maintained via repair/replacement of parts for a service life much greater than the cheapest item for less total cost than multiple replacements of the cheapest item.

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Then is cheap the modern equivalent to historical frugality?Cars,appliances,& relationships-it seems that more and more faster/cheaper/easier is the norm.Don't get me wrong,I know that there are still those that aquire(and for the sake of argument I'm including relationships as acquisitions) quality but the mindset of buying cheap because it's all disposable anyways seems the norm.Walmart society.Made in China.& etc.
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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2014, 08:55:56 PM »
No, modern cheap is not the same as "historical" frugality.  Frugal has always been frugal.

The advance of instant gratification is what I blame for modern cheapness.  Not sure how that actually applies to firearms/firearms accessories, except that since everybody "has to have" all 23 pounds of crap hanging off their gun and even the first 4 ounces of really good stuff does cost a lot more than 6 pounds of cheap crap, there might be your nexus.

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Re: Who else is as cheap as gun buyers?
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2014, 09:49:46 PM »
Reloaders.  Was buddies with a LGS owner, and he cussed 'em.  "Damned reloaders will drive 30 miles to save 50 cents".  I have seen them at on a deserted range, walking the backstop, picking up bullets to re-cast.

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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2014, 06:43:50 AM »
Reloaders.  Was buddies with a LGS owner, and he cussed 'em.  "Damned reloaders will drive 30 miles to save 50 cents".  I have seen them at on a deserted range, walking the backstop, picking up bullets to re-cast.

Btdt, still have the XL-650.


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