Author Topic: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy  (Read 6637 times)

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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/22/growing-number-believe-californias-drought-is-a-government-conspiracy/

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The movement’s leader, Dane Wigington, says he’s putting his life on the line to reveal a truth that will shake society to its core.

So is this just a conspriracy to forefully export liberals out of California?
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Well, there actually IS a conspiracy, but it's the freakin' environazis using the legal system to stop the building of a lousy three dams that would have made the drought a non-issue.
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Let me guess Chemtrails conspiracy morph?

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Well, there actually IS a conspiracy, but it's the freakin' environazis using the legal system to stop the building of a lousy three dams that would have made the drought a non-issue.

Need to have sufficient water to fill the reservoirs and enough to keep them filled enough for sustainable use. If you don't have that, its another pissing money down the drain government program.
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Need to have sufficient water to fill the reservoirs and enough to keep them filled enough for sustainable use. If you don't have that, its another pissing money down the drain government program.

There is more than sufficient water,  currently draining into the ocean.
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There is more than sufficient water,  currently draining into the ocean.


But, but, but the ocean levels will drop if we dam up all the water!!!1111
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But, but, but the ocean levels will drop if we dam up all the water!!!1111

See? Win, win!

Because I've been told for my entire life that the most dangerous thing in the world is the ocean rising, even an inch. Don't you know that everyone in Florida will drown if oceans rise an INCH!?!?
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I thought Globular Woerming, errr Climate Change was causing the Ocean levels to rise, so if we dam up a bunch of water in California reservoirs, wouldn't that help keep the oceans low?


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Of course it's the government's fault.  But they aren't preventing rain, they're paying rain back for the amount they purchased on credit to fuel Katrina.
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See? Win, win!

Because I've been told for my entire life that the most dangerous thing in the world is the ocean rising, even an inch. Don't you know that everyone in Florida will drown if oceans rise an INCH!?!?


But, but, but ocean levels lowering will cause them to rise and we will all die and it will be all our fault!!!1111 #globaloceanlevelchange
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 12:14:34 PM »
There is more than sufficient water,  currently draining into the ocean.

Ayep. If you're willing to nuke the wetlands, fish, etc. Which I'm personally not opposed to, but probably is a good thing to well research before implementing.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 12:31:45 PM »
Ayep. If you're willing to nuke the wetlands, fish, etc. Which I'm personally not opposed to, but probably is a good thing to well research before implementing.

The three reservoirs they were talking about,  I think 30 years ago now,  had pretty extensive EIS research done.  They were good locations.  Certainly you don't want to put a dam any old place,  or divert surface water haphazardly. Something like diverting delta smelt water to humans would be a good cost / benefit though.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 01:27:29 PM »
So is this just a conspriracy to forefully export liberals out of California?


The Mexican government is behind it. Make it less desirable, so we'll sell it to them.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 01:46:37 PM »
The Mexican government is behind it. Make it less desirable, so we'll sell it to them.

Erm...if they move the liberals out, Texas might buy it just in case we need a staging area when we attack Oregon.

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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 01:53:31 PM »
Erm...if they move the liberals out, Texas might buy it just in case we need a staging area when we attack Oregon.

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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2015, 02:47:26 PM »
There is more than sufficient water,  currently draining into the ocean.

Perhaps if people would change their landscaping to fit the climate of California and get rid of backyard pools?
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2015, 02:52:39 PM »
Perhaps if people would change their landscaping to fit the climate of California and get rid of backyard pools?

Living like you're in a rainforest is certainly one problem.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2015, 03:37:27 PM »
Perhaps if people would change their landscaping to fit the climate of California and get rid of backyard pools?

I have to visit Orange, CA for business once or twice a year. If astounded me the amount of watering on automated or not sprinklers everywhere. They would probably better off they lived like the more or less desert that part of CA naturally is.

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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2015, 03:39:53 PM »


I'm beginning to doubt the wisdom of this business of preserving species for the sheer sake of preserving species.

Do we really miss the benefits of the dodo bird and the carrier pigeon?  Did the ecology fail to recover from this deletion?

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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2015, 03:42:34 PM »
Perhaps if people would change their landscaping to fit the climate of California and get rid of backyard pools?

Honestly, getting rid of almonds and you're probably fine. Pools aren't even a dent comparatively speaking. California is growing some insanely water intensive crops, and I believe agriculture is above 80% of the water usage. At the moment, they're supplementing their water needs by pumping their aquifers dry. That's going to have some very serious long term consequences. If you pump significantly more than it replaces, the ground compacts and can't retain as much water.

I'm rarely the type to say "There aught to be a law...", but folks are seriously going to be screwing themselves over in the long run. Guess it's much like Social Security, they expect to be dead before it can't be kicked down the road any further.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2015, 03:52:16 PM »
Honestly, getting rid of almonds and you're probably fine. Pools aren't even a dent comparatively speaking. California is growing some insanely water intensive crops, and I believe agriculture is above 80% of the water usage. At the moment, they're supplementing their water needs by pumping their aquifers dry. That's going to have some very serious long term consequences. If you pump significantly more than it replaces, the ground compacts and can't retain as much water.

I'm rarely the type to say "There aught to be a law...", but folks are seriously going to be screwing themselves over in the long run. Guess it's much like Social Security, they expect to be dead before it can't be kicked down the road any further.

Our civilization has been doing a lot of that lately: allowing decades and centuries old infrastructure to deteriorate while also stealing from the future (your aquifer example being one means).

We're eating our seed corn and letting the equipment necessary to plant it rust away. We're crippling our progeny.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2015, 03:59:48 PM »
Our civilization has been doing a lot of that lately: allowing decades and centuries old infrastructure to deteriorate while also stealing from the future (your aquifer example being one means).

We're eating our seed corn and letting the equipment necessary to plant it rust away. We're crippling our progeny.

Just curious, what other examples of this do you see happening?

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I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.

So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought

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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2015, 04:42:55 PM »
Our civilization has been doing a lot of that lately: allowing decades and centuries old infrastructure to deteriorate while also stealing from the future (your aquifer example being one means).

We're eating our seed corn and letting the equipment necessary to plant it rust away. We're crippling our progeny.

Post-Roman Britons and Saxons thought that the ruins in Britain were of buildings built by giants.  The post-Western Americans and Europeans likely will have records enough to not think that, but they will know that the collapse was hastened by giant a**holes.
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Re: Growing Number Believe California’s Drought Is A Government Conspiracy
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2015, 04:47:03 PM »

As always, it's usually both worse and not quite as bad as it always sounds.

Yes, power transmission infrastructure is aging. Some area are better than others. Mine has enough storms and winter that the local power companies are on the ball. The freeze and thaw cycles pick off any stragglers in short order. Another issue is you can have multiple generations of equipment, which makes repair and spares interesting. That said, there's been some decent improvements of infrastructure command and control. It'd be harder for entire states to go offline. Fixing everything at once is not economically feasible, nor necessary. All you need to do is have your state's public utility boards or agencies do their job and make sure the power transmission folks are spending what they need to spend.

High debt, yep. This what happens when you spend more on bread and circuses than you take in. You finance it on debt. On the plus side, we are buying most of our own debt. Through Social Security and the Treasury Department. It's so folks don't realize we're financing our fiscal budget with a printing press. Which leads to inflation. Combined with wage stagnation, it's a long term problem we're just starting to really get hit with. Consumer electronics are getting cheaper, luxuries in general are getting cheaper. Necessities are not getting cheaper.

That said, humanity has always left things go until they became a crisis. Roman had issues with people pouring garbage into storm drains, and the folks who should have been inspecting the storm drains were busy on more glamorous stuff. Eventually there was a huge storm, Rome flooded, and then they finally got around to a more permanent fix.
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