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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Blakenzy on March 31, 2013, 08:33:46 AM
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Apparently, the reward money offered for information leading to Dorner's capture meant "captured alive"(always read the fine print!) ... and since the police agencies involved in the capture conveniently set him on fire, now no one has to pay. =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7uIurf6msk
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So far its 2 groups weasling. And all reward funds use the boiler plate "arrest and conviction". I never looked at the bin laden reward
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if a municipality can get out of paying a reward if you end up dead............it's not going to end well for you it appears.
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Timeline is he was already smoke and ashes when they approved reward
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Probably good they don't pay out....they'll need the money to pay off the hellsacious lawsuit coming from the women they shot up & shafted on the truck....
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Probably good they don't pay out....they'll need the money to pay off the hellsacious lawsuit coming from the women they shot up & shafted on the truck....
What about the cabin they burned down...
Actually, between them and Dorner, quite a bit of private property got destroyed.
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Too bad they didn't use a drone, then the LAPD could cozy up to the State Department.
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What about the cabin they burned down...
Actually, between them and Dorner, quite a bit of private property got destroyed.
Yeah :mad: :mad: :mad:
I suppose insurance doesn't cover that either ???
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Yeah :mad: :mad: :mad:
I suppose insurance doesn't cover that either ???
most policys so long as it wasn't your criminal acts you are covered
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But since police did it "during the course of official duties" it does not qualify as a criminal act, therefore it is not arson, so your arson insurance doesn't kick in? Accidental fire insurance? Won't qualify, as it was intentionally set... :rofl:
Edited to add laughing smiley.
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And it looks like LAPD is not going to replace the pickup truck belonging to the two women the cops shoot up in their panic.
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And it looks like LAPD is not going to replace the pickup truck belonging to the two women the cops shoot up in their panic.
Release The LandSharks!
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But since police did it "during the course of official duties" it does not qualify as a criminal act
That is one good thing about the suspect being dead, and the general police policy to try and blame all damages*, whomever cased it, on the criminals.
* This includes things like two police helicopters crashing into each other during a search for a suspect, and the police running over bystanders in a high speed chase.
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And it looks like LAPD is not going to replace the pickup truck belonging to the two women the cops shoot up in their panic.
or not
http://laist.com/2013/03/19/women_shot_by_lapd_given_check.php
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Pretty ironic stuff, considering the supposed motivation of the shooter who started it all.
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or not
http://laist.com/2013/03/19/women_shot_by_lapd_given_check.php
Yeah well, its very gracious of the police to give away other peoples' money.
In a just and sane society, the police involved in that shooting would be on trial for attempted murder.
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Yeah well, its very gracious of the police to give away other peoples' money.
In a just and sane society, the police involved in that shooting would be on trial for attempted murder.
We pay for them to do a job. We also pay for their incompetance when they screw up.
That's pretty standard, regardless of who's the boss.
The diffrence is, we can't fire them.
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Wasn't there a story that the women shot have to pay taxes on the money they got from LAPD?
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Wasn't there a story that the women shot have to pay taxes on the money they got from LAPD?
Yeah; it's why they couldn't accept the actual pickup. They'd have to pay sales and/or income tax on it and couldn't afford it, so that's why they're getting a check instead.
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Yeah; it's why they couldn't accept the actual pickup. They'd have to pay sales and/or income tax on it and couldn't afford it, so that's why they're getting a check instead.
Sounds like it might have been structured by their lawyers - damages to compensate for physical injury aren't taxable; lost wages and property damage are. The more cash of the settlement that is payment for injuries, the lower the overall tax liability.
It's insane, but it's actually possible to win large judgements and come out at a loss after taxes.
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We pay for them to do a job. We also pay for their incompetance when they screw up.
That's pretty standard, regardless of who's the boss.
The diffrence is, we can't fire them.
I find it absolutely disgusting that they can use the cover of "we were following orders." What was it, about 70 years ago that we hung people who used this excuse from another police state?
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Officer safety: the assertion that a cop's feelings of insecurity outweigh human life.
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if a municipality can get out of paying a reward if you end up dead............it's not going to end well for you it appears.
Incentives matter.
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That is one good thing about the suspect being dead, and the general police policy to try and blame all damages*, whomever cased it, on the criminals.
* This includes things like two police helicopters crashing into each other during a search for a suspect, and the police running over bystanders in a high speed chase.
Here in PHX about 5 years ago, there was a high speed chase being followed by NEWS helicopters, not police. The news choppers crashed into each other and the DA charged (and CONVICTED!) the speeding/fleeing motorist with the deaths of the chopper pilots.
Srsly. No joke.
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Here in PHX about 5 years ago, there was a high speed chase being followed by NEWS helicopters, not police. The news choppers crashed into each other and the DA charged (and CONVICTED!) the speeding/fleeing motorist with the deaths of the chopper pilots.
The extremes of the felony murder rule. If an attributed death occurs as a result of a felonious act, murder. The rule stretches to absurdity as it exists as further hindrance to folks committing crimes. Robbing a bank and you drop the gun, it goes off and the bullet kills someone- Murder. The scary sound causes a heart attack and kills someone- Murder. Due to the distraction of the robbery an unsupervised child eats some quarters in the corner, chokes and dies- Murder.
Its all yet another reason why there aren't many criminal pessimists. Those darn idiot optimists are the irrational ones we have to look out for. :police:
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Looks like the bill for the Shooting came to 4.2 million.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story)
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Looks like the bill for the Shooting came to 4.2 million.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story)
With that kind of money maybe they can move out of Califrickia
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Looks like the bill for the Shooting came to 4.2 million.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-women-shot-millions-20130423,0,1713238.story)
That should cover a new pickup.
They could even get it gold-plated ...
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That should cover a new pickup.
They could even get it gold-plated ...
And put a bunch of those little bullet hole stickers all over the back.
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Still no arrest on the officers that committed attempted murder. :mad:
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The extremes of the felony murder rule. If an attributed death occurs as a result of a felonious act, murder. The rule stretches to absurdity as it exists as further hindrance to folks committing crimes. Robbing a bank and you drop the gun, it goes off and the bullet kills someone- Murder. The scary sound causes a heart attack and kills someone- Murder. Due to the distraction of the robbery an unsupervised child eats some quarters in the corner, chokes and dies- Murder.
Its all yet another reason why there aren't many criminal pessimists. Those darn idiot optimists are the irrational ones we have to look out for. :police:
We had a couple of kids from my town beat a store owner half to death with a baseball bat in a robbery gone wrong. 6 months later the guy was still in the hospital, and unexpectedly died of a heart attack. The DA changed the charges to Murder 1 and got convictions.
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So ....
If the cops had killed one or both of those newspaper ladies, and Dorner had been taken alive, would he have been charged with felony murder for the women killed by the cops ???
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Would- who knows. Some offices like going with the best charges and ignoring the ancillary as they would be wrapped in the greater charges (concurrent sentence). Others like the kitchen sink approach; throw a lot and most juries will pick a random few if they can't agree on the primary charge as a compromise to all go home. The kitchen sink has the best and worst of office practices. Some folks have everything well prepared and demand justice for all acts; others just throw a lot of crud at the wall confident some will stick.
Could- Most Definitely.
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Would- who knows. Some offices like going with the best charges and ignoring the ancillary as they would be wrapped in the greater charges (concurrent sentence). Others like the kitchen sink approach; throw a lot and most juries will pick a random few if they can't agree on the primary charge as a compromise to all go home. The kitchen sink has the best and worst of office practices. Some folks have everything well prepared and demand justice for all acts; others just throw a lot of crud at the wall confident some will stick.
Could- Most Definitely.
You took my question seriously ???
I was just trying to point out the ridiculousness of the cops murdering people and blaming someone else for it. I guess you made it not quite so ridiculous.
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You took my question seriously ???
I was just trying to point out the ridiculousness of the cops murdering people and blaming someone else for it. I guess you made it not quite so ridiculous.
Well; they have done it before. I forget if it was for a class or the bar exam, but that has been a question I've studied. My initial response was imagining officers shooting folks all willy-nilly while shouting at a suspect 'Look what you made me do.' But, alas, truth is stranger, and more depressing, than fiction.
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Referencing back to the thread about the wrong address drug raid- should the actuall target of the raid be charged with murder?
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Referencing back to the thread about the wrong address drug raid- should the actuall target of the raid be charged with murder?
For a non-violent offense or even no offense at all ???
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We pay for them to do a job. We also pay for their incompetance when they screw up.
That's pretty standard, regardless of who's the boss.
The diffrence is, we can't fire them.
But if they go apey, we can set them on fire.
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And put a bunch of those little bullet hole stickers all over the back.
:rofl: This!
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So what I am learning from this is that if I am wanted, "Dead or Alive" that's actually preferable to "Alive" because killing me is more expensive to the cops.