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Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« on: February 09, 2009, 05:16:58 PM »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/ramped-up-obama-rhetoric-could-backfire/
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From crisis to catastrophe. Off a cliff. Dark, darker, darkest. Mortal danger of absolute collapse. Armageddon.

President Obama and top Democrats on Capitol Hill are deploying these and other stark predictions of doom and gloom to push through their economic-stimulus package. In terms not heard in Washington since the late 1970s under President Jimmy Carter's watch, the new president has sought to terrify Americans into supporting the $800 billion-plus bailout bill.

While President Bush was accused shortly after taking office in 2001 of "talking down the economy" - and for saying the economy was "slowing down" - Mr. Obama is using ever-heightening hyperbole to hammer home his message. But the strategy brings great risk for the "Yes, We Can" man, who just three weeks ago told America in his inaugural address that despite "a sapping of confidence across our land," his election meant Americans had "chosen hope over fear."

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"Mr. Hope has to be careful not to become Dr. Doom," said Frank Luntz, a political consultant and author of the book "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear."

"The danger for him is using the Jimmy Carter malaise rhetoric, particularly for Mr. Obama, who was elected because people thought he was the solution. There's only so much negativity they will tolerate from him before they will feel betrayed," Mr. Luntz said.

Brad Blakeman, a senior aide to Mr. Bush from 2001 to 2004, said the new president's language is immature.

"It's not presidential. An American leader needs to be hopeful and optimistic - and truthful. Everything he says is parsed; everything he says is searched for deep meaning. When he goes to 'DefCon 5' on the economy and says that we're on the brink of catastrophe, it's absolutely insane."

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With his fiery rhetoric, the new president runs the risk of terrifying consumers and investors, which could depress the economy even further. While the economy is bad, it is a far cry from Great Depression levels, when as many as 30 percent of Americans were unemployed, compared with the 7.6 percent now.

Every president must walk a rhetorical tightrope when talking about the economy, a lesson Mr. Bush learned quickly, being bashed just after taking office for delivering somber news. The United States was just entering a mild recession - it had been in one, it turns out, for about nine months - and the new president said so.

Liberals went berserk.

"Every time we turn around, this guy is bad-mouthing the economy. Is that lifting our spirit or dumping on it in order to sell his tax cut?" liberal comentator Bill Press said on CNN. Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, in an article headlined "Thanks Ever So Much, President Poor-Mouth," said, "Even if Bush turns out to be right in his predictions of gloom, that doesn't mean he was right to make them." The New York Times lectured Mr. Bush, saying that presidents were supposed to be "cheerleaders for the nation's economy."

But Mr. Bush tried that, too. As the United States recovered from the economic devastation caused by the 9/11 attacks, the president constantly talked up the economy, asserting that the American work force could compete with any in the world, and he assured Americans that happy days were right around the corner. Even as the currrent recession took hold, he continued to portray the nation's future in optimistic tones.

For all his effort, he was portrayed as a Pollyannish rube whose naivete so clouded his vision that he could not see the stark reality of the economic situation. How else to explain his optimism in the face of $4-a-gallon gas or exploding unemployment, or presidential statements a year ago, such as "I don't think we're headed to a recession, but no question we're in a slowdown."

Mr. Obama has gone much further than that. Just Friday, Mr. Obama said a report that 600,000 jobs were lost in January meant "it's getting worse, not getting better. ... Although we had a terrible year with respect to jobs last year, the problem is accelerating, not decelerating." Last week he said, "A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."

But he isn't the only Democrat ramping up the rhetoric while talking down the economy. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said last month that our economy "is dark, darker, darkest." Rep. David R. Obey of Wisconsin said, "This economy is in mortal danger of absolute collapse." And Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri said of the economic-stimulus bill, "If we don't pass this thing, it's Armageddon."


What a 'tard. 

Those 600K layoffs in January... how many do we typically get as the Christmas shopping season winds down and stores let go their seasonal help?  Heck, I've been layed off during the glowinghappyBubba years as Christmas came and went.  I thought that was the best economy in the world and we just have to get back to Cigaralot! ;/

Stacking the numbers to scare folks into paying off his cronies... I hope he chokes on a chickenbone.
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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 06:32:22 PM »
They say we have 3.5 million unemployed. Out of a population of 300 million and a workforce of maybe half that, do the math. Hint, it ain't near close to 7.5%

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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 06:39:46 PM »
They say we have 3.5 million unemployed. Out of a population of 300 million and a workforce of maybe half that, do the math. Hint, it ain't near close to 7.5%
It depends on how you define unemployment.  That's the root problem with all government statistics.  Some people don't agree on how to properly calculate them.   It's not possible (and maybe not desirable) to determine the absolute and objective "best" way to define the metric and how it's computed.

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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 08:07:45 PM »
It's like the "43 million uninsured."  The number is a snapshot view that includes those who choose not to get insurance, who are going from job to job, along with those who can't get insurance.  Yet, the number is depicted as consisting only of the latter.


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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 10:16:00 PM »
Also those who choose not to get insurance. 
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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 03:58:18 AM »
And those who can't, as well.

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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 07:46:55 AM »
I love the irony in all of this.  Obama has repeatedly accused Bush and the Republicans of fearmongering and for the last 2 weeks he has done the exact same thing.  I guess it all depends on what your boogeyman happenes to be.
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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 07:53:23 AM »
They're all just whistling in the dark anyway.  Fearmongering is as old as dirt.  Too bad none of them are couragemongerers.
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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 08:32:53 AM »
I think the unemployment number is factored on the number of people who claim unemployment benefits and/or are seeking employment.

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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 10:19:36 AM »
Charby,

I may be wrong, but I thought once a person drops off the unemployment benefits rolls, they were not counted. 

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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 12:21:11 PM »
A good salesman adapts to his customers.

When they wanted hope and change he sold that.

Now he's selling fear and gloom because it's a good way to sell castor oil you couldn't get rid of otherwise.

We'll see how many buy.
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Re: Obama: HopeDoom, ChangeFear
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 03:29:56 PM »
Charby,

I may be wrong, but I thought once a person drops off the unemployment benefits rolls, they were not counted. 

John828

You might be right I was trying to recal something off the top of my head.

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