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Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: garyk/nm on March 28, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002895414_webseals28.html

Federal study finds cruise ships distress harbor seals

By The Associated Press

ANCHORAGE  When large cruise ships get too close to harbor seals, the animals become distressed, according to a new federal study.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released a report Monday on seal behavior in Disenchantment Bay, a Southeast fjord that cruise ships frequent for a view of the Hubbard Glacier.

The study, which was a cooperative effort involving NOAA, the cruise industry and the Yakutat Tlingits, found that when the large ships got closer than 1,600 feet, seals were more likely to jump off the ice floes they haul out on.

The closer the ships got, the more likely the seals were to dive into the water, according to the Anchorage Daily News. When a ship was about 300 feet away, a seal was 25 times more likely to jump into the water than when the ship was 1,600 feet way, the study found.

The researchers said one concern is that if seals are routinely disturbed, it will drain their energy reserves, possibly resulting in lower reproduction or reduced survival, the researchers said.

"It really confirms what has been known for some time: that as ships get closer to seals, the seals will get off the ice floes," said John Hansen, president of the North West CruiseShip Association. He said as a result the association has operating practices in place to minimize disturbance of the animals.

However, that's not always possible because of weather, navigational and other reasons, including not being able to see the seals, said John Jansen, the study's lead author.

During the study, biologists documented many times when the ships got within 300 feet of seals, he said.

The study also found that the more time ships spend in Disenchantment Bay, the closer the seals come to one another. Such huddling behavior is common among animals that feel threatened, said Jansen.

The research, which began in 2002, also compared harbor seal numbers in Disenchantment Bay with those of Icy Bay, a nearby glacial fjord with similar natural characteristics. The only major difference between the two bays is that cruise ships do not visit Icy Bay, Jansen said.

Icy and Disenchantment Bays started out with roughly the same number of seals in May, between 1,000 and 1,500, Jansen said. The study found that seal populations in Icy Bay increased from May to August, while in Disenchantment Bay, they peaked in June and then declined slightly. Icy Bay ended the summer with 5,400 seals while Disenchantment Bay had only 1,800.

Whether the seals are leaving Disenchantment Bay and heading to Icy Bay is unknown because scientists have yet to track the movements of individual seals with radio transmitters. Hopefully that will be the next phase of the research, Jansen said.

With the increase in cruise ships in Disenchantment Bay since the 1970s, the Tlingits have become concerned about whether ships are disturbing the seals, especially during pupping season in May and June.

"We feel strongly that they do affect the seals during those months," said tribal member Bert Adams Sr., a charter captain and former president of Yakutat's tribal council.

"The local people are saying that the seals are moving from Disenchantment Bay to Icy Bay because there is less disturbance there," Adams said.

Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company


Uhhh, so flipping what?
One more reason to seriously examine federal spending. I can't believe any rational person would see this as something that needed investigating.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Modifiedbrowning on March 28, 2006, 03:10:22 PM
"The local people are saying that the seals are moving from Disenchantment Bay to Icy Bay because there is less disturbance there," Adams said.

Good for the seals! Survival of the fittest and all that.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Standing Wolf on March 28, 2006, 03:58:58 PM
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The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released a report Monday on seal behavior in Disenchantment Bay...
It's a satire, right?
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: garrettwc on March 28, 2006, 05:56:24 PM
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It's a satire, right?
Nope, that's a real place in Alaska.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disenchantment_Bay

As to the report itself, when I was a little kid my dad took me fishing. He said to be quiet and not make too much noise because it scares the fish. Why did it take untold tax dollars for a study to document what I learned at age six?
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: 280plus on March 28, 2006, 06:00:47 PM
I'm trying to come up with a good "blown seal" comment but I'm not having much luck.

Anybody?

Cheesy
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Sylvilagus Aquaticus on March 28, 2006, 06:28:59 PM
Actually, it's no so much 'survival of the fittest' as those most adaptable to chenge.

Regards,
Rabbit.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: jefnvk on March 28, 2006, 08:51:57 PM
Wait.  You mean to tell me that when something a thousand feet long, and a few hundred feet high and wide is on a potential collision course with something  probably one millionth its size, that animal might get distressed and move?

Coulda fooled me.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: doczinn on March 28, 2006, 09:41:03 PM
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Actually, it's no so much 'survival of the fittest' as those most adaptable to chenge.
Well, the ability to adapt is part of fitness, in the biological sense.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: 280plus on March 29, 2006, 03:22:42 AM
I had a thought...

Is it possible the seals take the ships near them as a sign that the men with the clubs are going to come and brain their babies? Animals are not quite as dumb as some would believe.

I wonder if the study even took that concept into account.

I've seen seals play in the wakes of big ships. They didn't seem stressed in the least. They were having a better time than we were.

Cheesy
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Antibubba on March 29, 2006, 03:54:14 AM
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I'm trying to come up with a good "blown seal" comment but I'm not having much luck.
The best I could come up with, 280+, was, "There otter be a law!"
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: 280plus on March 29, 2006, 04:55:05 AM
Hah! Close enough! Cheesy

Best I got is "Looks like the .gov blew a seal! A MONEY seal!"

Not so hot, oh well... Tongue
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: SADShooter on March 29, 2006, 05:30:32 AM
280:

Quit yer blubbering. You're acting like somebody clubbed you over the head or stole your beach ball or something. Don't flip(per) your lid. Quit harpoon on government waste.../end Preacherman moment.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Justin on March 29, 2006, 07:52:44 AM
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It's a satire, right?
Getting harder and harder to tell these days.
Title: We spent good money on this?
Post by: Guest on March 29, 2006, 09:18:34 PM
All this proves is that Seals are way smarter than American anti-whaling and anti-israel protesters.

Clearly these animals have mastered the ability to get out the way of objects that are significantly larger than they are, go fig.