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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2010, 09:21:11 AM »
you mean like the egg operation that made so many folks sick?
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2010, 09:30:24 AM »
The bill actually states "reasonable chance". There already is a process to shut down operations that are actually known to make folks sick.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2010, 12:48:46 PM »
current inspections already carry the possibility of a shutdown based on violations of code.its all based on a reasonable chance. in fact currently bigger companies are allowed to "self inspect" . 
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2010, 01:51:48 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 07, 2010, 12:48:46 PM
current inspections already carry the possibility of a shutdown based on violations of code.its all based on a reasonable chance. in fact currently bigger companies are allowed to "self inspect" . 

And its no wonder why they want to pass inspection by gov't workers (and its atendant costs) on to their competitors, no matter how small.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2010, 02:00:03 PM »
a smaller company can "self inspect" too.  its not free to do it though
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2010, 02:17:07 PM »
Quote from: cassandra and sara's daddy on December 07, 2010, 02:00:03 PM
a smaller company can "self inspect" too.  its not free to do it though

Restraint of trade.

Regulatory burden.

Efficiencies of scale.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2010, 03:14:51 PM »
Quote from: makattak on December 07, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
Restraint of trade.

Regulatory burden.

Efficiencies of scale.

Barriers to entry.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2010, 03:36:15 PM »
Quote from: roo_ster on December 07, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
Barriers to entry.

Exactly.

It also has the "benefit" of forcing smaller competitors out of business.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2010, 01:38:27 PM »
Csd: you've read the whole bill, right? Every word? And you understand it all? Cause it'd be hypocritical of you to insist everyone else does, when you haven't yourself. I admire how fast you can read and comprehend dense legalese (looking up all the other codes referred to when it says "Amend Sec X to say Y" too, right?) based on how many times you don't actually, you know, present an argument just say everyone is panicking over nothing and not reading the bill.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2010, 01:41:38 PM »
oh heck no. i actually started with foodfreedom  
then i looked up the bill  and saw hat the "zomg" parts have been struck one by one
i also rely to a great extent on summaries  but try to always read several.  funny how some folks summaries are colored by their agenda


my first clue as to the bs factor was headlines like "in the face of massive protests!"   and "the most dangerous bill ever!"   hyperbole and manure go hand and hand  one often telegraphs the other.
had a guy the other night start off with "clintons only fault"  right away i knew he was ownable
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2010, 01:48:04 PM »
what i'm also surprised no ones mentioned is another bill that provides assistance and grants to aid folks in the same areas
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20101201/NEWS01/12010315/Food-safety-bill-could-aid-Battle-Creek-institute

as well as hold foreign food to a higher standard   foodfreedom over looks that
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2010, 02:22:22 PM »
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Looks like the food bill is dead:
« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2010, 03:40:15 PM »
Looks like the food bill is dead:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/255583/perils-constitutional-ignorance-katrina-trinko

"The Perils of Constitutional Ignorance"

When it passed the Senate something 75-25, the bill contained taxes, and all tax bills must originate in the House.  Oops!

The House passed the bill and the Senate attached it to the Omnibus Pork and Socialism Bill that just got whacked, yesterday.

We can only thank the Lord that some of our opponents suffer under the effects of dain bramage from their old boxing days.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2010, 10:37:04 PM »
If it was worthwhile it wouldn't have to be stuffed into an omnibus bill.

Good riddance.

If anything good in the bill existed it should be stripped out of the government growth and power grab bill and submitted separately.
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2010, 10:14:12 AM »
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Re: All your food belongs to us
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2010, 03:34:53 PM »
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The Senate unexpectedly approved food-safety legislation by voice vote Sunday evening...

Did anyone else get that tinfoil feeling at this? Since a certain fiasco some 24 years ago I've never really trusted "voice votes," especially those that occur on a day that a large portion of the voters may not be present.
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