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Title: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 06, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
So am I. And I'm really REALLY glad I haven't sent off my DNA to any of the family tree services.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/your-dna-profile-is-private-a-florida-judge-just-said-otherwise/ar-AAJU2mK
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: charby on November 06, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
So am I. And I'm really REALLY glad I haven't sent off my DNA to any of the family tree services.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/your-dna-profile-is-private-a-florida-judge-just-said-otherwise/ar-AAJU2mK

Well I'm not planning on committing any felonies.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: BobR on November 06, 2019, 08:50:47 PM
They don't need your DNA, most of the recent cold crimes solved through DNA have been through chasing down DNA from a 4th cousin or some such thing. They hit up a company that narrows it down to who it *may* be and chase those leads down. Been some pretty cold/high profile stuff solved that way.

bob
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: zxcvbob on November 06, 2019, 09:09:11 PM
Why do Ancestry, 23, etc keep that data around?  Seems like if they really cared about privacy they would destroy any personal data markers and just aggregate what they could anonymize.  An analogy is storing customer passwords; you don't need to do that, for authentication you can just store a one-way hash of the passwords and if someone steals database that they haven't gotten much.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Angel Eyes on November 06, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Well I'm not planning on committing any felonies.

https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229?

Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: 230RN on November 07, 2019, 12:49:05 AM
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You can't walk to your car, drive it a mile, park it in the city, walk around the block, get in your car again  and drive it another mile without breaking five laws.

I used to use that a lot.  When I got challenged on it, I'd ask if they'd like to bet ten bucks on it.

If they agreed on the betting, I'd say "That's number one."

Terry
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: K Frame on November 07, 2019, 07:33:03 AM
If your family tree goes straight up without branching, chances are you might be an APS member.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: charby on November 09, 2019, 12:09:33 AM
I used to use that a lot.  When I got challenged on it, I'd ask if they'd like to bet ten bucks on it.

If they agreed on the betting, I'd say "That's number one."

Terry


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You can't walk to your car, drive it a mile, park it in the city, walk around the block, get in your car again  and drive it another mile without breaking five laws.

I'm curious what those five laws are?
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: grampster on November 09, 2019, 10:54:49 AM
If your family tree goes straight up without branching, chances are you might be an APS member.

Hah!!  When I was rehabbing our cottage into a year round residence back in 1993, I asked my builder friend if the roofer he had was good at what he did.  He replied that he was the best, but he also mentioned that his family tree was a straight line.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 09, 2019, 11:53:33 AM
Well I'm not planning on committing any felonies.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 09, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
I'm curious what those five laws are?

Mostly a comment on the state of laws in the US. There's a line in Atlas Shrugged that is fitting. Something along the lines of not being able to control an honest man so they keep making laws until they can find something to hold over your head.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: 230RN on November 09, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
1. Betting (as above.)

2.  Signaling for a turn only 99 feet from the intersection.

3.  

4. Parking 16-1/2 inches from the curb.

5.

6.  Your fly is open.

7.

8.  You did not have a boy walking ahead of your car to warn the horses.

And so on.  It's kind of fun hefting "The Book" in your hand before you throw it at the low-down dirty rotten scoundrel.

(Thanks, RKL.)

Yeah, I know, off-topic, but that's the way our threads go.  At least I didn't start this particular thread drift.

Terry, 230RN

REF (Overzealous Prosecutors.  There are a couple of points made which might mesh with the average APSer's viewpoint):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/8-ways-to-stop-overzealous-prosecutors-from-destroying-lives/267360/

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Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Ben on November 09, 2019, 07:08:10 PM
Mostly a comment on the state of laws in the US. There's a line in Atlas Shrugged that is fitting. Something along the lines of not being able to control an honest man so they keep making laws until they can find something to hold over your head.

It's not just the felonies we have all already unknowingly committed, it's the ability to charge us for a felony just because they can. Ref: asset forfeiture laws and little old ladies pulled over for failure to give a turn signal who happen to have a couple grand cash on them. No one needs more than ten $1 bills.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: 230RN on November 10, 2019, 09:16:16 AM
What bothers me is that they charge the actual asset as a criminal... which cannot defend itself.

I am told this is based on sound legal principles, but sometimes it just seems that "sound legal principles" are insane.

Terry

REF: (Involved discussion, scroll to "History"):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

Cf also "Methods"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States#Methods
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 10, 2019, 09:58:53 AM
What bothers me is that they charge the actual asset as a criminal... which cannot defend itself.

I am told this is based on sound legal principles, but sometimes it just seems that "sound legal principles" are insane.


Fortunately, this particular form of insanity may be coming to an end:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=61276.0
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: Ben on November 10, 2019, 10:11:27 AM
Fortunately, this particular form of insanity may be coming to an end:

I'd like to believe that, but reform has popped up numerous times in the recent past to pretty much no avail. Some communities and states have put the kibosh on it, but not so much others, and our illustrious Republicans at the Federal level continue to be in support of it. We saw Sessions advocating for it when he was AG.
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 10, 2019, 01:01:36 PM
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Republicans at the Federal level continue to be in support of it. We saw Sessions advocating for it when he was AG

When did Sessions become a Republican?  ???    :rofl:
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: 230RN on November 12, 2019, 04:41:15 PM
When he decided that was a good label to have in his District.  Like the label "Beto."

I still maintain that election to public office is too much of a gravy train. 

Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: MechAg94 on November 12, 2019, 05:02:14 PM
Well I'm not planning on committing any felonies.
I was thinking of mistaken or misinterpreted DNA results as well.  That has put people in jail on occasion. 
Title: Re: Curious about your family tree?
Post by: charby on November 12, 2019, 05:44:55 PM
I was thinking of mistaken or misinterpreted DNA results as well.  That has put people in jail on occasion. 

I think he error value on that is very low these days. I have enough relatives that have done it, that they have close enough DNA to me if they need it.